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Apologies in advance in case it appears I didn't research enough before posting here. Been researching for almost 2 weeks now and can't figure out anymore on my own so here I am!

What is your budget and currency?

Based on my needs, I'm willing to fork out more than £1000 if needed. Problem is, I'm not sure I need something so powerful but I could be wrong.

What will you use the PC for?

No gaming. But I would like the machine to have no issues playing two 4k vids simultaneously, even better if it can play three. Main use will be movie editing. I have tons of old videos (1080p or less) that I need to trim. Occasionally I may need to dynamically rotate vids (due to phone being held at random angles through the entire vid), or stick a few cropped videos side by side, but thats about it. No effects or colour correction or any of that fancy stuff. I may have to work with higher quality source like 4k or above thanks to all the new phones me and my family use, but just to do the operations/edits mentioned above.

Now my current 8 year old PC can almost manage the tasks I'm talking about. So why the hell do I want such an over the top spec? Simple - I need to do these things quickly, mainly the final render. So a hefty example in my case would be something like - three 1080p vids from my phone. I want to create one video with all three playing side by side with each of the vids cropped or rotated throughout the timeline. The editing process in Premiere Pro on my current machine will take me around 25-30 minutes (lets say each vid is about 10 minutes, with almost 7 minutes trimmed away) if my final video is going to be about 5 minutes long. Rendering the finished video will take more than an hour on my current machine. If I was working with two instead of three vids, the render will take about an hour. For trimming a single 4k video, it will take around half an hour.

There isn't too much I can do about the time I spend editing. Yes a faster machine will help me see the results of my edits quicker so maybe I can cut a few minutes off my editing sessions, but the rendering of the final video is what kills it for me and is pretty much why I haven't bothered anymore. If I can get a new rig which will render a 1080p 5 minute video in a minute or so instead of half an hour, then I will be getting back to work on all the old footage.

I'm thinking of using Da Vince Resolve as its free - but does that mean forking out more on a graphics card? Would I be better off buying software like PowerDirector and getting a cheaper GPU? Perhaps its more related to the actual work I want to do so what do you think based on the scenarios I explained above?

Do you need a monitor? If not, what monitor(s) will you be using?

Not yet. I'm currently running an Asus VE278H which is 1080p and an old Toshiba TV which does HD, but a friend MAY end up giving me two 4k displays. In case he doesn't, it may be awhile before I buy any 4k monitors. After searching this site and reading a couple of threads, it appears that sticking with my 1080 monitors can affect the parts I decide to go with? In addition to movie editing, I want to be able to play two or three 4k videos simultaneously on my non 4k displays, as well as on better displays in the future. Again, no gaming, just high quality movies or videos that I create.

Do you need a keyboard, mouse, or other peripherals?

Don't think so.

Do you need an operating system?

Never done this before, but I'm going to try and install Win10 pro myself. From what I've read, I need to create a usb boot disk, buy the key off ebay or something and then hopefully the rest will be smooth sailing right?

Will you overclock?

Seriously doubt it.

Anything else we should know?

So based on the needs I mentioned, will a ryzen 7 3700X render my videos much faster than a 2700X? If yes, I don't mind forking out the extra £150 or so. Heck, if it renders faster, I don't mind getting a 3900X.

Here's a list of parts that I've come up with. Started off with youtube and amazon recommendations and refined based on some of the things I've read on this site after searching for threads related to video editing and/or Ryzen builds. PLEASE ADVISE on these and what I should change. Once it looks like people approve of the build, I'll go ahead and buy the parts. The prices listed are all from amazon, but once I've finalised the parts list, I'll be shopping around for the best prices.

    CPU - Still not sure. 2700X vs 3700X vs 3900X?
    Motherboard - The most confusing part for me to find out about. Here's a few I've looked at but by no means do I have a preference. I just hope it can take full advantage of the CPU/RAM/GPU. Two M2 drive slots would be nice, but not necessary. USB-C would also be nice as it sounds like many peripherals tend to use it yet most of the motherboards I checked don't seem to have it?
      MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX ~ £85
      MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ~ £120
      MSI B450-A Pro Max ~ £60
      Aorus X570 AORUS Elite ~ £191
      ASUS TUF X570-Plus - £180
      Gigabyte B450M DS3H - £60

    SSD - Sabrent 1TB M2. Maybe this is overkill, but I think this new M2 tech is really cool so I want! If you end up recommending a motherboard with two M2 slots, I might get two drives.
    RAM - Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4 3200 MHz C16 XMP 2.0 ~ £70. Haven't gone 32 GB since I'm not editing large 4k videos (yet). Is 3200 MHz good enough or is it worth getting something faster?
    Graphics - as mentioned earlier, I'm really not sure what to do here. Buy some editing software and use a cheap GPU, or use Da Vinci Resolve and use a more expensive card? Then there's the issue of me possibly not having monitors that do more than 1080p (not forever as I will get new monitors, just not now). The few graphics cards I was recommended from youtube are listed below but I can't tell whats good or bad and how suited for my needs they will be.
      ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER EVO OC edition 8GB GDDR6 ~ £410
      MSI RADEON RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC Graphics Card '8GB GDDR5, 1366Hz ~ £170
      XFX Radeon RX 570 RS XXX Edition 1286MHz, 8gb GDDR5 ~ £127
      ASUS GPU Nvidia GTX1650 Dual OC 4G Fan ~ £156

    Case - from youtube - NZXT H510 ~ £75. I am really not bothered about looks. Just want a case that'll do the job. If there's a dirt cheap case out there that will house all my parts and allow enough air flow etc etc - I'm happy.
    PSU - Anything that is Gold standard and gives out 650 Watts or more is good right?


I've spent almost two weeks trying to decide on the parts, and the list above is the best I can come up with given my extremely limited knowledge.

Many thanks in advance
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Harmonaz wroteApologies in advance in case it appears I didn't research enough before posting here. Been researching for almost 2 weeks now and can't figure out anymore on my own so here I am!

The fact you've given is so much information is great because that's exactly what we need to help you. We're happy to help here and it makes it much easier when we actually know what people are looking for, so no worries and thanks for not posting something like "need pc lul, thanks, 1000 k".

Harmonaz wroteI'm thinking of using Da Vince Resolve as its free - but does that mean forking out more on a graphics card? Would I be better off buying software like PowerDirector and getting a cheaper GPU? Perhaps its more related to the actual work I want to do so what do you think based on the scenarios I explained above?

I'd probably just keep using Premiere Pro, especially if it's what you're used to. For your use case, you don't really need a discrete GPU. However, with something like an R7 2700(x) or 3700x, you would need a discrete GPU as those don't have integrated graphics.

Harmonaz wroteDo you need an operating system?

Never done this before, but I'm going to try and install Win10 pro myself. From what I've read, I need to create a usb boot disk, buy the key off ebay or something and then hopefully the rest will be smooth sailing right?

Yeah, it's ezpz. Download the "Media Installation" tool or whatever it's called for Win10 from Microsoft's website and make a bootable USB with that. Then if you want to validate the OS, just buy a key from somewhere that is not ridiculously over-priced, should be able to get a key for less than 25 quid easy.

Harmonaz wroteSo based on the needs I mentioned, will a ryzen 7 3700X render my videos much faster than a 2700X? If yes, I don't mind forking out the extra £150 or so. Heck, if it renders faster, I don't mind getting a 3900X.

Well, the 3900x is £500 and you'll want to pair that with a £150+ motherboard IMO, so that'll go way over your £1000 budget for sure. I'd stick with an R7. The 3700x can be as much as 10-15% faster in Premiere Pro over a 2700x, which is noticeable for sure. I don't think it's worth twice the price though to be honest.

Harmonaz wroteMotherboard - The most confusing part for me to find out about. Here's a few I've looked at but by no means do I have a preference. I just hope it can take full advantage of the CPU/RAM/GPU. Two M2 drive slots would be nice, but not necessary. USB-C would also be nice as it sounds like many peripherals tend to use it yet most of the motherboards I checked don't seem to have it?
[list]MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX ~ £85
MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ~ £120
MSI B450-A Pro Max ~ £60
Aorus X570 AORUS Elite ~ £191
ASUS TUF X570-Plus - £180
Gigabyte B450M DS3H - £60

The B450 Tomahawk has a USB-C port for sure, so does the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon. The X570 boards also both definitely have USB-C. Though most stuff is still using Type A USB ports anyway, but I would agree that at least 1 x Type C is a nice feature to have. Either get the B450 Tomahawk(MAX) or Asus TUF X570 and ignore pretty much everything else to be honest. I'd keep an eye on prices for the X570 TUF over Black Friday because it might come down close to £150, maybe even for the wi-fi version. Otherwise, B450 Tomahawk(MAX) for £80-90 is a great deal and more than enough for an R7 2700(x)/3700x. If you really want the 2 x m.2 slots, then get the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon over the Tomahawk(MAX) for the extra 25 quid or so- pretty much the same mobo but Pro Carbon has a couple extra features. The X570 TUF also has 2 x m.2 slots so no need to worry if you go with that.

Harmonaz wroteSSD - Sabrent 1TB M2. Maybe this is overkill, but I think this new M2 tech is really cool so I want! If you end up recommending a motherboard with two M2 slots, I might get two drives.

I wouldn't say overkill at all. SSD's in the 1TB range are the best value right now IMO, and even the entry level NVMe SSD's like the Sabrent Rocket and Intel 660p are really well priced. I'd personally be getting a 1.02TB Intel 660p for 90 quid because they're an absolute steal IMO.

Harmonaz wroteRAM - Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4 3200 MHz C16 XMP 2.0 ~ £70. Haven't gone 32 GB since I'm not editing large 4k videos (yet). Is 3200 MHz good enough or is it worth getting something faster?

If you can get 3600MHz for a good price, sure, but 3000/3200MHz is the best value currently and fast enough really. Should be able to get a 16GB kit closer to 50 quid than £70 though, and might even see some deals with Black Friday coming up.

Harmonaz wroteGraphics - as mentioned earlier, I'm really not sure what to do here. Buy some editing software and use a cheap GPU, or use Da Vinci Resolve and use a more expensive card? Then there's the issue of me possibly not having monitors that do more than 1080p (not forever as I will get new monitors, just not now). The few graphics cards I was recommended from youtube are listed below but I can't tell whats good or bad and how suited for my needs they will be.
    ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER EVO OC edition 8GB GDDR6 ~ £410
    MSI RADEON RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC Graphics Card '8GB GDDR5, 1366Hz ~ £170
    XFX Radeon RX 570 RS XXX Edition 1286MHz, 8gb GDDR5 ~ £127
    ASUS GPU Nvidia GTX1650 Dual OC 4G Fan ~ £156

I honestly wouldn't get any of these. You're not really going to need GPU acceleration so you'll mostly be using the CPU anyway, so for that reason, £400 on a GPU is just silly in this situation IMO.
If you do end up using GPU acceleration in something like Premiere Pro, an NVidia GPU will be better than AMD so the RX 570 and 580 are out for that reason, but the GTX 1650 is just too low-end and poor value. So, a GTX 1660(Super) would be a good shout, or honestly, a GTX 1650 Super for 150 quid would be a pretty good fit IMHO.
Since you'll need a discrete GPU with an R7 CPU, I'd look at a 1650 Super for £150ish or a 1660 Super for £200ish.

Harmonaz wroteCase - from youtube - NZXT H510 ~ £75. I am really not bothered about looks. Just want a case that'll do the job. If there's a dirt cheap case out there that will house all my parts and allow enough air flow etc etc - I'm happy.

Plenty good cases under £70/75. The NZXT H510 is a fine case if you like it, but I'd personally be looking at a Phanteks P400A or Cooler Master NR600.

Harmonaz wrotePSU - Anything that is Gold standard and gives out 650 Watts or more is good right?

Not necessarily. Plenty of poor quality Gold rated PSU's out there that are worse than good Bronze rated units.



So, I'd probably be looking at something like this;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£139.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£114.49 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN TUF Gaming Allian 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£59.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£88.88 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.88 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £537.22

Plus a GTX 1650 Super for £150 or, as I said above, you can maybe look at a GTX 1660 Super for an extra 50 quid. Either way, this takes you to <£750 total. So this leaves you plenty cash to upgrade to a 3700x if you really want, or swap the mobo to an X570 TUF. You could also add more storage and/or an aftermarket CPU cooler if you want.
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Such a helpful response! Thanks so much.

Few things I guess I didn't make clear: I said £1000+ but really, I don't mind going over if I can render those videos quicker. Having said that though, you say the 3700x can be around 15% faster in pro over the 2700x. £120 extra for that... How much better would it be with the 3900x or even the 3950x? I was willing to wait and splash out on the 3950x but maybe it won't be THAT much different from the 2700x? I'm wondering if I'm at that point where, more than wasting all that money, I'm wasting all that power.

One of the first things I plan to do with the new machine is try and run my old machine as a VM. That would be nice because then I can carry on using the copy of Premiere that I *ahem* somehow aquired all those years ago... but for the new build I'd like to use something free if possible, or pay upto £100 for a tool if I really have to. I'm beginning to doubt it though as my needs appear to be stupidly simple - I fired up Premiere after probably a year and edited an old video from my S3 phone. Here's an example of what i would refer to as a 'lot of work' for one video. 1080p 30fps, trimmed off footage from beginning and end and some bits in the middle. I was filming a game on a CRT screen from an angle, so I had to zoom/crop the video so that the game footage took up as much of the screen as possible, and had to adjust the rotation quite often to keep the game looking 'straight'. In some places I would split the screen 50/50 ish and play portions from a more recent video taken on a OnePlus 7 (a video of a player's hands using an arcade stick). This was also 1080, but just looked so much better. End result was about a 12 minute video, about 7 minutes of it consisted of that side by side stuff and it took 1 hour 14 minutes to render. I have no SSD, i5 650 3.2ghz, 6gb ram and a geforce 315 512mb ddr3 gpu. That sounds quite bad lol, but dayum - for something that I bought in an emergency off the shelf from a superstore around 9 years ago, its keeping up bloody well. I could probably speed this thing up a fair bit with an SSD, but if I can't bring that above example down to less than 10 minutes, I'm not going to bother.

Many many thanks for explaining the motherboards and graphics cards. Not really any questions left there - unless anyone else comes along with suggestions, I'll definitely go with your recommendations.

So the only issue now is - do I go for the this decently priced setup that you've recommended since my use cases dont warrant anything that powerful, or will I definitely save a lot of time if I do get the 3700x, 3900x or even the 3950x? I'm not going to be childish and force myself to waste money if there's really no point - if the cheaper setup suits my needs then thats what I'm going to do. Do you think the other CPU prices will come down after the 3950 comes out? Basically - is it worth waiting or should I try and get all my parts during black friday?

Really glad I won't spend this weekend feeling so confused anymore! Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions.
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Lol I just noticed you recommended the 2700 and not the x

Not that I mind, but any reason? I'm probably just too used to seeing the x from all those youtube vids and other threads.
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The 3900x isn't going to move much in price IMO, and the 3950x is still gonna be a pricey boi for a while. The 3700x has already started creeping down but honestly, for 140 quid the 2700 is an absolute steal, or the extra £20 for a 2700x. Going from your 2C/4T i5 to an 8C/16T R7 2700(x) is already going to be such a massive increase in performance that the extra increase with a 3700x is going to be pretty minimal lol. It's hard to tell you which to buy tbh because any of the 3- R7 2700(x)/3700x is going to be a solid option.

The 3900x should be another 15-20% improvement over the 3700x in Premiere Pro. However, I can't be 100% sure for your use case. It's likely the performance difference will be less noticeable for you with short 1080p videos, as most of the data I've seen regarding Premiere Pro performance has been 20-30 minute+ 4k video's where the performance difference should be more noticeable. I'd ignore the 3900x at £500 for sure in any case.

It is worth noting that the 2700x was £300-350+ at release and can now be had for ~£160, or even less than £120 used. So in 12-24 months when the 3900x and 3950x are last gen, you might be able to pick them up pretty damn cheap, especially on the used market.
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Harmonaz wroteLol I just noticed you recommended the 2700 and not the x

Not that I mind, but any reason? I'm probably just too used to seeing the x from all those youtube vids and other threads.

Either is fine honestly, the 2700 is just 20 quid cheaper. They're the exact same CPU other than clock speeds so they'll perform really similarly. If you manually set both to 4GHz all cores, they'd perform literally exactly the same.

All core boost on the 2700 should hit 3.5-3.6GHz, and on the 2700x should be 3.8GHz+. You should, however, easily be able to manually OC the 2700 to 3.8GHz all cores. So really, buy the 2700 if you'll overclock it or spend the extra 20 quid for a 2700x if you can't be bothered and would rather let XFR just do the work.
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Understood.

Let me crunch some numbers and do some browsing...

I searched for gtx 1660 cards but get tons of different results. Any particular one you would recommend?
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Harmonaz wroteUnderstood.

Let me crunch some numbers and do some browsing...

Oh, and the 2700x comes with the better stock cooler as well actually.

The 2700 has the Wraith Spire, and the 2700x has the Wraith Max;
https://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/ryzen-7-1700/amd_ryzen_wraith.jpg

So honestly, if you're not really interested in overclocking just go for the 2700x. If you want something a little newer and potentially ~15% faster then you can spend the extra £120 for a 3700x- it wouldn't be a bad option, but you definitely don't need to. I know that doesn't help much but honestly, if I was buying an AM4 CPU right now I'd have a hard time deciding between those 3 myself. Think I'd settle on the 2700x personally, for the value but honestly I'd probably last minute impulse buy the 3700x lol.

Harmonaz wroteI searched for gtx 1660 cards but get tons of different results. Any particular one you would recommend?

So yeah, thanks to NVidia this is gonna be pretty confusing. Ignore the standard GTX 1660 and the GTX 1660Ti. The GTX 1660 Super is a refresh of the standard 1660 with faster VRAM so it performs closer to a 1660Ti but for the exact same price as a standard 1660.
Here's a list of 1660 Super's;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/vide...amp;page=1
Just buy whichever you like the look of really. I wouldn't pay more than £220 for one though and if you don't care about aesthetics, just grab one of the cheapest ones.
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21 wrotebut honestly I'd probably last minute impulse buy the 3700x lol.
Yep though it sounds like the 2700x will be more than enough, I just can't help going that little bit extra. But at least you managed to talk me out of getting the 3900x!

So here's what I'm looking at now:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£289.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (£189.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN TUF Gaming Allian 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£59.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£88.88 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£88.88 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB MINI ITX OC Video Card (£209.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.88 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1062.54[/i]

Regarding the motherboard - with the Carbon PRO that you recommended, the following warnings were coming up:

Warning!Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
Note:The MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.
Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports are disabled.
Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #2 shares bandwidth with several PCIe expansion slots. When the M.2 slot is populated with a PCIe M.2 drive, four PCIe expansion slots are disabled.

Are they anything to worry about? For starters, I have no clue what I would do with SATA ports or PCIe expansion slots. Plus, how can four expansion slots be disabled when the specs say that it has 3? Lastly, would I need to update the BIOS? I don't really mind doing it if its an easy process. So if there's no reason for concern, I'll switch the motherboard back to the Carbon PRO instead of the ASUS TUF. The ASUS also gets the same warning regarding the PSU - I'm guessing this shouldn't be an issue since I'm never planning to do any overclocking?

Black Friday doesn't seem to be doing much for the prices of these parts. Can I go wrong following the links from the pcpartpicker site to buy? Any reason to wait? Might as well order right now if not.
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Extra £20 for 3600 memory worth it?

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600
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