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Harmonaz wrote Warning!Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

Yeah, so this is just an issue with the 3700x. If you ask wherever you buy the B450 motherboard from to update the BIOS, it will work with the 3700x just fine. The motherboard was released prior to the 3700x so some stock that has been sitting in storage will have older BIOS revisions which won't work with the 3700x. The B450 Gaming Pro Carbon has BIOS flashback functionality anyway though, so you could just update the BIOS yourself without the CPU installed, and then it would work the 3700x. So really, this is a non issue.

Harmonaz wrote Note:The MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

Yeah, some motherboards have an extra 4 or 8-pin for the CPU, but you only really need the single 8-pin. The extra 4-8 is only really going to be useful for extreme overclocking, or maybe with something like a 3950x but honestly at stock, a 3950x would still be fine with a single 8-pin connector for CPU.

Harmonaz wrote Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports are disabled.

Yeah, the 5th and 6th SATA ports will be disabled, but you'll still have 1-4.

Harmonaz wrote Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #2 shares bandwidth with several PCIe expansion slots. When the M.2 slot is populated with a PCIe M.2 drive, four PCIe expansion slots are disabled.

The B450 Gaming Pro Carbon has 5 PCIe slots. Your GPU will be in the top slot, and the bottom 4 would be disabled. Honestly, if you're set on having 2 x m.2 drives and going with a 3700x, I'd lean towards the X570 TUF anyway probably. You keep all your SATA ports and PCIe slots, and get a better motherboard at the same time. It is worth noting the Wi-Fi variant of the X570 TUF is the exact same price, so I'd get that instead.

Harmonaz wrote Black Friday doesn't seem to be doing much for the prices of these parts. Can I go wrong following the links from the pcpartpicker site to buy? Any reason to wait? Might as well order right now if not.

I'd hold off and just start ordering parts over the next week or 2 because you'll likely see the best deals on Black Friday next week. The 3700x might pop up with 10 or 20 quid off, but I doubt it'll move too much. X570 TUF has been getting good deals in the US, we might see a nice Black Friday deal on that tbh so I'd keep my eyes open for that.

Other than that, I don't think you'll see much big savings on any of the other components. RAM and SSD's are already really well priced tbh. GTX 1650 Super and 1660 Super are still new so I doubt there'll be many deals on those, and £210 for that 1660 Super is reasonable anyway IMO.

You could probably get that parts list to just under £1000 instead of £1060 with some Black Friday deals, but if you're ready to build now then yeah that parts list you've got is good to go IMO. Just swap the X570 TUF for the Wi-Fi variant.
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Harmonaz wrote Extra £20 for 3600 memory worth it?

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600

If you're spending the extra for the 3700x anyway, I'd probably spend the extra 20 quid for faster RAM too lol. The 3200MHz is already more than sufficient and you won't notice much difference with 3600MHz, but 3600MHz is technically the ideal speed with a 3700x so why not, amirite?
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Ok, updated. Motherboard with wifi, 3600 ram, changed GPU as the one I selected was on pre-order at OcUK.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£289.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (£188.46 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£79.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£88.88 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£88.88 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB Video Card (£210.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.88 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1082.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-23 15:29 GMT+0000

So... go ahead and order M2 drives, RAM, case and PSU now, and wait till next weekend for the rest?

I don't know which sites/people get commission from what I'm buying, but it should definitely be you!

Would it be ok to ask questions here about setting things up once I put all the parts together? The only thing I read is going into BIOS and updating memory XMP settings, but thats it. Are there any tools and stuff I can run to make sure all the parts are working ok?
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I guess there's always someone who'll tell me to get a 3900x...

I've got the same thread over at OcUK and someone recommended the Radeon RX 5700 - £375. They still haven't explained why, plus further research on various editors has left me thinking that I won't go with Resolve. Theres a good chance some of the free editors out there will do what I need. So I'm not taking that GPU suggestion seriously yet.

They also suggested the Aorus Elite. Same price and they haven't really given a good reason other than "as for the Gigabyte mobos they are brilliant solid boards with solid VRMS"

Given that I most likely will not be using Resolve, do you still recommend the 1660 Super, or can I go cheaper - I'm asking because I'm drawing up another 3900x build. Sacrificing one M2 drive (for now), and randomly picked a very cheap ATX Mid Tower case. So for about £100 more I have this build:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£518.87 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (£188.46 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£79.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB Video Card (£210.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case (£31.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1185.26

Any corrections you would suggest for this build?

Right, so I'll be deciding between these two builds. Hard call
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Harmonaz wrote So... go ahead and order M2 drives, RAM, case and PSU now, and wait till next weekend for the rest?

Yeah, pretty much. You might see some specific cases and PSU's pop up on deals but I don't recall ever seeing many good deals for either cases or PSUs on previous Black Friday's. Maybe a tenner off some higher end PSU's.

Harmonaz wrote Would it be ok to ask questions here about setting things up once I put all the parts together? The only thing I read is going into BIOS and updating memory XMP settings, but thats it. Are there any tools and stuff I can run to make sure all the parts are working ok?

Absolutely. If you reply to this thread with any further questions you have, or help you need, we'd be happy to assist.
Updating the BIOS and enabling XMP is ezpz.

So, for XMP, just boot in to the BIOS. For the X570 TUF, you want to open "Advanced Mode" BIOS and then go to the "Ai Tweaker" tab. In there, you should have an "Overclock" or "Memory" option, open boxes until you find "D.O.C.P". D.O.C.P is XMP for AMD on Asus' motherboards, so just enable D.O.C.P whenever you find it under the Ai Tweaker tab. Once D.O.C.P is enabled, it should give you a couple of frequencies to choose from, most likely 3600MHz, 3200MHz, 2933MHz, and maybe a couple of others. Obviously go for the highest frequency you can manage.

Then, under the "Tool" tab in the BIOS, the X570 TUF has "EZ Flash 3" which will let you update the BIOS via internet or a USB. Of course make sure you have the correct BIOS on your USB if you do it that way. Be careful to check that you have the BIOS for the X570 TUF Wi-Fi, as the non Wi-Fi version could have a different BIOS. As long as you don't put the incorrect BIOS on a USB and try to install that, you'll have no problems updating BIOS

Harmonaz wrote I've got the same thread over at OcUK and someone recommended the Radeon RX 5700 - £375. They still haven't explained why, plus further research on various editors has left me thinking that I won't go with Resolve. Theres a good chance some of the free editors out there will do what I need. So I'm not taking that GPU suggestion seriously yet.

Decent GPU, but a waste of money in your case. It's not going to benefit you IMO, and if it was, you'd most likely be better off with a similarly priced NVidia alternative anyway. If you were gaming, then sure the RX 5700 is a killer GPU, though I'd be looking at a 5700XT for £360 instead of 15 quid extra for a lower end variant.

Harmonaz wrote They also suggested the Aorus Elite. Same price and they haven't really given a good reason other than "as for the Gigabyte mobos they are brilliant solid boards with solid VRMS"

The Gigabyte board isn't bad, but the X570 TUF is technically better. Either will be perfectly fine for a 3900x, or even 3950x, but I'd be getting the X570 TUF just because it is better.
Also, I much prefer Asus' BIOS to Gigabyte's. Gigabyte seemed to be incompetent at making a workable BIOS until recently, and even still I'd say Asus' is better, much easier to navigate.

Harmonaz wrote Given that I most likely will not be using Resolve, do you still recommend the 1660 Super, or can I go cheaper

GTX 1650 Super would be fine and save you 50-60 quid over the 1660 Super. The 1650 Super is the lowest end I'd go, because I'd want something half decent in there in case you do decide to use another program, or maybe play a game at some point. If you just want a GPU for display output though, you could probably find a GT 1030 somewhere for ~£50. A GT 1030 really isn't going to be useful for much more than a basic display output though.

You don't want to be getting a cheap shit case, trust me. It's more headache than the 10-30 odd quid you're saving. If you want to save some money on the case, then these are the cheapest I'd be looking at;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/yX97Y...matrexx-50
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/NJXnT...55-add-rgb
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FCs8T...ec300ptgbk
Honestly though, the Phanteks P400A for 65 quid, or Cooler Master NR600 for 70 are great value- really good quality cases for the money.

I have a feeling 3900x's are gonna be under £250 on the used market in less than 2 years to be honest. So even if you get a 3700x now, you'll probably be able to buy a used 3900x in 18 months or so, still only spend around £500 total but now you have 2 CPUs- a spare 3700x, and 12C/24T behemoth 3900x.
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Yep I'm sticking with the 1660 Super and ASUS TUF because, quite frankly, you've given good explanations. Same for the NR600 - I was leaning towards the H500 simply due to looks, but appears that the NR600 should be a better case.

Someone also claims that the following is a 'much better' psu

uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7y4BD...f-550f14hg

Would you agree?

Since pretty much everything else is staying the same, I'm choosing between the 2700X (not even the 3700x lol) with two M2 or a 3900x with one. £260 difference. Maybe a smaller difference if I can win this auction on a used 3900x lol.

Normally I'd be sensible enough to go with the 2700x, but... I'm not exactly young anymore and have a feeling this is the last build I'll ever do. Still, getting the 2700x then just swapping it out for even a 3950x in a couple of years is a very sensible plan.

I seriously can't decide lol. Place your bets!
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Harmonaz wrote Yep I'm sticking with the 1660 Super and ASUS TUF because, quite frankly, you've given good explanations. Same for the NR600 - I was leaning towards the H500 simply due to looks, but appears that the NR600 should be a better case.

If you like the look of the NZXT H500/H510 better, just go for that honestly. The NR600 does technically have better airflow but it's not going to make a huge difference for you, and you're better off buying something you like the look of better if you're gonna have to sit next to it for a good few years lol. The H500/H510 is a perfectly fine case in fairness, just wouldn't be my choice these days.

Harmonaz wrote Someone also claims that the following is a 'much better' psu

uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7y4BD...f-550f14hg

Would you agree?

No lol. Whoever said that needs to give their head a shake and stop making stupid claims just for the sake of it. They're literally the exact same PSU. EVGA uses the SuperFlower LeadEx 3 platform as the OEM for their G3 PSU's lmfao.

Harmonaz wrote Since pretty much everything else is staying the same, I'm choosing between the 2700X (not even the 3700x lol) with two M2 or a 3900x with one. £260 difference. Maybe a smaller difference if I can win this auction on a used 3900x lol.

Normally I'd be sensible enough to go with the 2700x, but... I'm not exactly young anymore and have a feeling this is the last build I'll ever do. Still, getting the 2700x then just swapping it out for even a 3950x in a couple of years is a very sensible plan.

I seriously can't decide lol. Place your bets!

If you'd rather just build it now and not bother upgrading when CPU's are cheaper on the used market, then sure, 3900x will last you ages most likely. I just personally wouldn't want to spend much more than 300 qiud on a CPU on the AM4 platform tbh, solely because I know I'd be able to get a 3900x or 3950x cheap as chips in a few years if I really wanted. If you're happy to spend the 500 odd quid on a 3900x though, it is a monster!
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Not for the sake of saving money, but I think it might be wise for me to just stick with the MSI Pro Carbon - noticeable price difference from the TUF, and I don't see what I'm ever going to do with those SATA or PCI ports. I'm probably making more efficient use of the thing if I use the two M2 drives. Why does it feel like I'm the only person drooling over M2 and having more than one? Isn't it the fastest form of storage on a home PC? Have we gone past the point of needing storage this fast?

Updating the BIOS sounds easy, plus I might not have to bother if I go with the 2700x. My £480 bid on the 3900x hasn't moved for a day... maybe that bid was too high lol. Its only £40 less than new. Got till tomorrow night for the 3900x auction to end. Might search around for an extra few days for a used 3900x if I don't win this one.

Sticking with the NR600 - peace of mind over looks I guess. I'm pretty sure I don't need any extra fans for my uses.

Got a basket on two sites comprising all parts needed (only one nvme 1TB), except CPU. £230.47 and £484.41. So with a 3900x at £520 total comes to 1233.88, or with a 2700x at £165, total is 879.88. I could save about a tenner if I order the Palit 1660 Super StormX from a third site.

Almost there...
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There's a used 3900x going for £445 with no fan or box. Is that good?
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Harmonaz wrote There's a used 3900x going for £445 with no fan or box. Is that good?

£60 off new, so not too bad. I'd honestly still stick with the 2700x or 3700x though.

Harmonaz wrote Why does it feel like I'm the only person drooling over M2 and having more than one? Isn't it the fastest form of storage on a home PC? Have we gone past the point of needing storage this fast?

m.2 is just the form factor. There are SATA m.2 SSD's that are the exact same speed as their 2.5" variants. It's m.2 SSD's that use the NVMe protocol instead of SATA which are much faster. The 660p is an 'entry level' NVMe drive, but priced similarly to entry level SATA SSD's so is a great deal IMO. The higher end NVMe drives are still over-priced for most users IMO.

Harmonaz wrote Sticking with the NR600 - peace of mind over looks I guess. I'm pretty sure I don't need any extra fans for my uses.

The NZXT H500/H510 would have adequate airflow for your set-up anyway honestly, so seriously if you prefer that just get it lol. For case fans, yeah even 2 basic fans will be fine. I'd personally spend 30-50 quid on a couple of decent fans but it's not really necessary.
If you want, these are good fans at a decent price;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wj8H9...-fan-bl040
Could buy 3, 2 in the front as intake and one in the rear as exhaust. Will be perfectly sufficient for cooling, and should be pretty damn quiet.

Harmonaz wrote Not for the sake of saving money, but I think it might be wise for me to just stick with the MSI Pro Carbon - noticeable price difference from the TUF, and I don't see what I'm ever going to do with those SATA or PCI ports. I'm probably making more efficient use of the thing if I use the two M2 drives.

Honestly, I'd just get the X570 TUF tbh. I'd rather spend the extra little bit of money on motherboard than a lot extra on CPU for 3900x over 2700x/3700x. Also, the X570 TUF is just gonna be the better option in case you do decide to add a 2nd m.2 SSD at any point. Hold off until Black Friday anyway, if the TUF doesn't move much in price and you're not comfortable spending that much, just go for the Pro Carbon. Either motherboard is still going to be a fine option.

So, here is what I think you should be looking at;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£289.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (£188.46 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN TUF Gaming Allian 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£59.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB Twin Fan Video Card (£214.00 @ Box Limited)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (£60.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 140 PWM 61.2 CFM 140 mm Fan (£9.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 140 PWM 61.2 CFM 140 mm Fan (£9.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 140 PWM 61.2 CFM 140 mm Fan (£9.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £997.80
Again, can save some money with the 2700x or a GTX 1650 Super if you want. Or you can save the 15 quid and go for the Palit StormX GTX 1660 Super instead of this Zotac one.



If you really want the 3900x, you might be able to get this under a grand with Black Friday deals;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£518.87 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN TUF Gaming Allian 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£59.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.98 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (£60.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £884.27
if you get a GTX 1650 Super instead of 1660 Super, sacrifice the X570 TUF and it's 2nd m.2 slot, as well as drop the 3 case fans.

Oh, and a tenner off the 3900x from CCL if you buy through eBay apparently;
hotukdeals.com/deals/amd-ryzen-9-...pu-3341334
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