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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

The only reason Epic gets these exclusives is because they pay better than Steam, the UI on Epic is not that great. Steam is actually efficient and makes sense, Epic barely made the come up and copied Steam. You can see they even have to explain themselves in tweets and say they didn't try to copy. But if Fortnite wasn't a thing the wouldn't have a place in the industry. They also copied Apex because there fanbase was dying at that time.

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

The only reason Epic gets these exclusives is because they pay better than Steam, the UI on Epic is not that great. Steam is actually efficient and makes sense, Epic barely made the come up and copied Steam. You can see they even have to explain themselves in tweets and say they didn't try to copy. But if Fortnite wasn't a thing the wouldn't have a place in the industry. They also copied Apex because there fanbase was dying at that time.

Fortnite spearheaded them up, but Epic had a huge place in the industry because they own the Unreal Engine, which a lot of companies use and they always get a cut from licensing fees. Epic honestly shot themselves in the foot because the storefront needed to be finished before they actually started going after Steam. Yes, Steam when it first launched was very barebones, very lackluster, but Steam basically laid the grown works of what a new storefront should be and I honestly believe if Epic has done that, this whole Steam v Epic wouldn't be this big. The main thing Epic needs to fix now, is security because people get hacked constantly even with 2 factor authentication and people also have a bunch of attempted


logins from users just trying to get into random people's accounts.

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

The only reason Epic gets these exclusives is because they pay better than Steam, the UI on Epic is not that great. Steam is actually efficient and makes sense, Epic barely made the come up and copied Steam. You can see they even have to explain themselves in tweets and say they didn't try to copy. But if Fortnite wasn't a thing the wouldn't have a place in the industry. They also copied Apex because there fanbase was dying at that time.

Fortnite spearheaded them up, but Epic had a huge place in the industry because they own the Unreal Engine, which a lot of companies use and they always get a cut from licensing fees. Epic honestly shot themselves in the foot because the storefront needed to be finished before they actually started going after Steam. Yes, Steam when it first launched was very barebones, very lackluster, but Steam basically laid the grown works of what a new storefront should be and I honestly believe if Epic has done that, this whole Steam v Epic wouldn't be this big. The main thing Epic needs to fix now, is security because people get hacked constantly even with 2 factor authentication and people also have a bunch of attempted


logins from users just trying to get into random people's accounts.

Really people trying to still get in to accounts. Why people why? I mean yes there are many different reasons why but so not worth it. They need a good security to put in place then.

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

You seem to have a fair point I'd say. I do like the Steam badges but some seem really hard to get. I do like that Epic has the sims tho I use to play the Sims 4 a lot and there a big part of Epic. Maybe steam is going down hill?

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Gary wrote The PC Gaming show is usually lackluster every year. Can't say I have much hope for the show this year unless GabeN shows up and reveals Portal 3.

I think it's safe to assume it's going to be a shit show, not from what is shown, but from the sidelines of the people watching. PC gaming in general has been so damn all over the place because of the whole Steam v Epic fiasco and yeah, while some, if not most complaints/concerns are valid, I feel like it's going to bleed over to E3 and really just ruin the PC Gaming Show -- which doesn't help considering that Epic is supporting the PC Gaming Show lol

Personally I don't think Epic's platform is the worst, but it just needs modernizing and updating to compete with Steam, that's the only reason I'm opposed to using their service. I'm not a fan of their push for exclusivity deals though and if more of those get announced at this PC show I'm sure a lot of people will be pissed off.

Yeah I agree dosent seem the worst out there period. But they could use some minor tweaks and other updates. I mean they do complete with steam so.

Epic VA Steam seems to be in the light a lot lately. Them going back and fourth. Trying to out do each other. I agree with you they could use some small improvements. Especially, if they want to out do Steam and be in the number one spot. At the end of the day they could have done worse.

It's mostly in the light because of the controversy about Epic pretty much buying games to be on their platform first, with Steam's rather lackluster response. There is no denying that before this started happening, Steam v Epic wasn't even a thinking platform because Epic really wouldn't have any footing to compete with Steam on their storefront, if it was just no exclusives -- simply because Epic is so far behind Steam in terms of features/functions. Now it's come to light because games are being bought as timed exclusives or just flat out exclusives in some cases, the biggest one that lit the fire was Metro Exodus because that was pre-order on Steam forever, and I think a few weeks before launch, it was pulled from Steam and thrown onto the Epic Games store, which is what really set people off and everything else that has followed has just been another topic of discussion against Epic. I believe competition is good, it makes the opposing company have to step up to release a better product, but as it is right now, if Epic had the money to do so, it looks like they would buy every game as an exclusive to completely try and shut Steam down and with how shady Tim Sweeny has been - going back on his word with things - I wouldn't doubt if he would just prefer/want Epic as the monopoly for PC gaming and make Steam irrelevant.

Seems like most the games go to Epic first. I prefer steam though over Epic for all the features and game prices. I think steam and epic will continue to go at it.

Ehhhh, not really. It may seem that way, but it's because when a game goes to Epic, there's an immediate uproar. I would argue 99% of games go to Steam -- this past week May 12th through May 19th, 408 new games have been released on Steam and yes, most of them are Indie games or just absolute low quality that is meant for a cash grab, but still, a lot of devs/studios still go over to Steam. Epic getting games first causes immediate backlash, which makes it seem like all these devs are leaving Steam for Epic, when it's a really small amount - at least so far - but it's bigger named titles which people blow out of proportion about it being the end of the world. Steam/Valve/GabeN could kill this whole conflict with Epic games if they matched the 88% revenue share off the bat instead of the whole tier thing they do and this thing would legit just be gone because Epic would not be able to afford raising the revenue share any higher without having to jack up the prices in general, which would turn more people away.

On top of that, I really don't see it going on for too long. Sure, the devs who go over to Epic get an immediate amount of money if they're a timed exclusive or full exclusive and they get the better revenue share, but, I feel like their sales aren't as hot as they would be if over on Steam. For one, piracy has definitely gone up a lot more on those games, especially Metro Exodus and I assume Borderlands 3 will take it's place. People really didn't talk about them going to pirate a game, unless you went digging for areas where people would talk about those things, but now on Reddit, people talking about pirating games on Epic has bled into just regular gaming and PC forums -- it got so bad that the Metro subreddit flat out banned any talk about it and Epic games in general because people were just spamming the boards with it. Secondly, Steam Trading cards. Now, these are very arbitrary to some people, some people might not care about their Steam Level, badges or backgrounds and emotes; however, the people who do, typically will spend money buying trading cards, the only way to get cards is to buy the game and get the card drops which gives money to the studio/company, hope you get lucky with booster packs dropping at random for you, which is just free or going out and buying the trading cards from the Steam Marketplace which gives the seller and the studio a very small percent of money. While that money may be small, I would argue there's enough in there to actually be quite a substantial amount to anyone on the outside -- which Epic games doesn't offer and that's lost revenue for the studio. Eventually, I think someone, be it someone on the outside or someone at a gaming company will do the calculations and see where money may have either been gained or lost and things will adjust accordingly per dev/studio.

You seem to have a fair point I'd say. I do like the Steam badges but some seem really hard to get. I do like that Epic has the sims tho I use to play the Sims 4 a lot and there a big part of Epic. Maybe steam is going down hill?

agreed, steam has been losing steam for some time now

Petite wrote Steam has been going downhill but I think we all enjoy it so much cause it's been the main platform
That we probably won't ever delete it for good or just stop using it