gowaddict wrote you will still be able to take games round to friends house there will still be preowned stuff
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Nintendo_64 wrote And another thing Xbox has on its side is that it is running windows. When develpers make a game for the PC since it uses windows it can be just put on the Xbox. While on the ps4 it has to get ported which so it goes through an extra transition phase which ultimately results in a reduce of quality. A small reduction but still one that people have complained about for years

What are you on about. That was because of the architecture of the PS3.

Nintendo_64 wrote And another thing Xbox has on its side is that it is running windows. When develpers make a game for the PC since it uses windows it can be just put on the Xbox. While on the ps4 it has to get ported which so it goes through an extra transition phase which ultimately results in a reduce of quality. A small reduction but still one that people have complained about for years

the xbox 360 didn't use windows. developers make games for 360 or pc then port over. usually 360 then port to pc and ps3

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gowaddict wrote you will still be able to take games round to friends house there will still be preowned stuff
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It's Xbox Support saying there is no need to worry due to the fact you can play pre owned games; it was just speculation. So you do not need to sign out. The major part of your argument was made redundant...

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gowaddict wrote you will still be able to take games round to friends house there will still be preowned stuff
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It's Xbox Support saying there is no need to worry due to the fact you can play pre owned games; it was just speculation. So you do not need to sign out. The major part of your argument was made redundant...

Ah yes. Just looked now and major nelson and the xboxb twitter team corrected it, my bad.
I'm still thinking that if i was a customer i would still not sure why i should buy an Xbox One over a PS4. (I'm not buying any btw)

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Nintendo_64 wrote And another thing Xbox has on its side is that it is running windows. When develpers make a game for the PC since it uses windows it can be just put on the Xbox. While on the ps4 it has to get ported which so it goes through an extra transition phase which ultimately results in a reduce of quality. A small reduction but still one that people have complained about for years

the xbox 360 didn't use windows. developers make games for 360 or pc then port over. usually 360 then port to pc and ps3

Who said the 360 runs on windows? He's talking about the Xbox One, which utilizes Windows and the Xbox OS.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

-You have to use voice commands to go home.
-I have over 2TB of games on my PC HDD at home. They have not confirmed that you can use external HDDs
You do have to pay for the game again if you want to inssert it in to a new console.
Fair enough. What about people who do not want to use connect or there room is to small?
But it has good cloud storage where there will be a massive back catolog of PS2 and PS3 games.

Both are running x86 which is greating for porting games over from PC. :-)

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This whole argument between you all is pathetic.
Let me tell you a few straight facts so you can stop saying false statements.

- You don't have to use the kinect voice to go home, it will work the same as before where you can still operate it by pressing a couple of buttons.

- You have 2TB games on PC. Unless you have torrented them, you are speaking out of your backside. Games on PC always take up much more space anyway, look at BF3 for example.. On PC that is about a 20GB game, look at consoles and it is less than 10GB. PC games are always more because there is so much more you do with them.

- You do not have to pay for a game again to be able to play it somewhere else. Everything is operated by this "Cloud". Once you install the game on your XBox, it is recognised that you have the game so you will be able to play it anywhere you want as long as you are connected to XBL.

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Let's talk about your so-called "cons".

Kinect must be connected and functioning at all times...

- Incorrect. Kinect must be connected and functioning to be able to use VOICE COMMANDS to turn it on. You can still use the power button if you find it that annoying.
You can still operate the system completely without kinect, it is only used for VOICE and GESTURES.

Buttons replaced etc.

- Yes, the Back and Start buttons have been replaced, and you think that this will be a disadvantage? It's not like they have completely removed the ability to pause a game etc. That's just complete stupidity. The home button has been removed because there is no longer a need for it. If the ability of the two new buttons are able to perform the same function, why keep it? Voice commands are not replacing everything, you can still operate the system as normal with a controller, like I said before.

Kinect 2.0

- I'm not even going to waste my time explaining an argument on why you think Kinect 2.0 is a con. This is absurd to even say so, everything about the Kinect 2.0 has improved and there is no hardware piece available for gamers or people that need a similar device anywhere. Especially when the Kinect 2.9 is able to track more joints then before, free your body to do what you want. Up to 6 people can use the Kinect at once, it recognises movement of different joins, as well as the rotation of said joints. The camera is able to work in any kind of light due to the standard camera as well as an IR camera to give complete vision of the player. Also, it recognises depth better than ever before.

Kinect built in at the start

- I don't understand why if you could have something that enables you to do so much more with a machine, why it would be a con? You think that because everyone will have a kinect to begin with, it is somehow bad now? Of course Kinect will have more support, it is one of the major components that make the system function to its best use.

Games cannot be taken to friends house bla bla

- Yes they can. Games are stored to your hard drive and are accessed via the cloud so you do not have to worry about anything like that. With the "you must sign in"... That's just common sense, if you were able to just give your games away, that would lose people money. So essentially with this point is that you are saying because you can't get free games, the console is awful.

Mandatory install

- This isn't a con at all. Installing games for one increases the speed at which the game can load, it allows the system to verify the game integrity which will in turn stop potential hackers as the game is read for verification before being able to be played.

No HDD upgrade

- It said Standard model is 500GB. If you want more than that, buy a different damn model! I'm sure there will be external support for other hard drives later on, they have already said you can use external USB drives. If you manage to fill your HDD, you are downloading or using memory on pointless things such as Demos that you no longer play, etc.

no backwards compatibility

Neither does the PS4 so don't get your knickers in a twist. Sony had said that they are using a 3rd party's software to bring the old arcade games forward, which will be a waste of time.. If you wanted to play them still, just turn on your PS3 for God's sake!

Internet connection

This really is a pointless statement. Most households have internet, especially the ones that will be purchasing any next-gen console. The synchronisation of the system means that it will be able to be a more secure system, will be able to operate much faster and allow you to access all of your content as you require it.

Debatable pros points

Moaning about 8GBs of RAM

- For starters, 8GB RAM is more than enough to do whatever you want the system to do, sure PS4 DDR5 RAM is better but 8GB DDR3 isn't a con for the system what-so-ever.

processors

- So you are actually saying that upgrading the processors is a con? The 1.2 TF is a rumoured amount. They didn't actually confirm it was the final amount. Plus I'm sure that if they really wanted to, they could boost it up to whatever they needed it to be to be on par with PS4.

Blu-ray

- This is a pro, blu ray allows more space to fit on a disc. Just because playstation already has it, doesn't mean it isn't a pro for XBox. By your logic here nearly everything that exists will be awful because something already has it.. The idea of improvement is that you take what is the best idea and use it; this is exactly what Microsoft have done here.

Kinect 2.0

- You are repeating your pointless argument again.

Kinect built in

- Again ^

better controller

- Of course it is to be expected. So what you are saying is that because you knew it was going to happen, it isn't a Pro? If you had actually taken the time to research a little more you'd realise how much the new controller improves the system.

Multimedia

- Regardless of where it first appears, it is still a benefit for the system as a whole

GS carries over

- You might not see it as a pro but many gamers play to be able to get their GS up, to achieve their goals and to show what they have accomplished. To have the hard-earned gamerscore carry across after spending countless hours and hundreds of reloading checkpoints to gain that extra achievement means a lot to some people. This is all a matter of opinion as to whether it is a pro.

Games play from HDD

- No the games aren't worth 'nothing'. It has already been confirmed that you can trade in and get a small reimbursement.

Built in DVR

- Again, just because the PS4 has it, doesn't mean it isn't a pro! It is a good benefit for both machines. Regardless of who said "i had done it first", things are always going to be a great addition.

Access content owned by others

- This is still a pro. It was available on the 360 anyway, the point they were making was that there were rumours saying only the account that had purchased game X would be able to access it. This was just dismissing rumours.

reimburse bla bla

- Of course you are going to pay full price for the next game! Unless you are some cheap, little scavenger that lives off of illegal downloads and torrents, you will pay for your game. I don't know of anything that exists that says "here, come and take every game for free because you traded back in one.." This point is just moronic.

Not always online - It should be anyway...

- You are contradicting yourself here. Your points earlier about the internet connection being required go against this completely.

/rant

Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

I agree with you. The Xbox One compared to the PS4 is way better. I was thinking about getting both but I am just going to stick to the good old Xbox <3 The only reason I would ever even think about buying a PS3/4 is to play Diablo 3.

When will microsoft realise that people dont want bloody kinect, I play the xbox sitting at a desk so it is really not worth the BS extra cost they make us pay just to get the console to play games which dont benefit from kinect!

Xbox One users may have to pay to play pre owned games

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