Kinect must be connected, and functioning at all times for the system to even turn on and remain active * i hardly see how this is bad considering it comes with the xbox. Kinect is actually good
-Back and Forward Buttons missing, Replaced with View and Menu buttons, Home Button removed entirely and replaced by voice commands. *herp derp menu button will be able to take you back to dashboard. different names same basic things. remember black and white buttons?
-Kinect 2.0 *yer advanced kinect is bad...
-Kinect built in at the start (meaning everyone will have a kinect, and MAY have more support) *whats so bad about every one having kinect. its like saying every will have a controller.
-Games cannot be taken over to someone else's house and used on their console unless you log in on your account and play your account only. (Co-op permitted as long as the game owner's account is logged in and playing) *log into your account?
-If you let your friend borrow or buy a game off you, when they put it into their system they will have to pay a "Fee" to be able to play the game. This fee could be as much as the game is new in retail * Lets your friends use your account, also on PC we can't take our games to our friends houses. this is the future of gamming. d
-All games have a mandatory install *allows better quality and longer lasting dics drive.
-Internal HD cannot be upgraded, standard model is 500GB *you can get an external hard drive.
-No backwards compatibility for Xbox, 360 or XBLA games *they are on different OS. Just like mac and windows.
-Internet connection required (Has to sync once every 24hrs, if the system does not sync after the 24hrs are up, it becomes unusable until it has synced. Every game you purchase MUST sync with Microsoft's servers before you're allowed to play) *plug it in for 1 minute (or how ever long it takes) then unplug and play. do same for games. If you don't have internet then you really can't afford the console anyway.

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Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

-You have to use voice commands to go home.
-I have over 2TB of games on my PC HDD at home. They have not confirmed that you can use external HDDs
You do have to pay for the game again if you want to inssert it in to a new console.
Fair enough. What about people who do not want to use connect or there room is to small?
But it has good cloud storage where there will be a massive back catolog of PS2 and PS3 games.

Both are running x86 which is greating for porting games over from PC. :-)

Wow your PC has 2TB games. You can use externals, the USB ports are there for that, they didn't add it solely for headsets ect.

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Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

To top it off my friend:
CPU for XBOX ONE: 1.2 TFLOPS (RUMORED
CPU for PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
RAM? don't get me started because the RAM on ps4 was supposed to be 4GB DDR3 but then on the conference they changed it and it gave the developers a shock because they didn't know about it so it can change with MS and xbox one as well...

I'm talking about the GPU.

I enjoyed reading your post. In my opinion it won't flop as bad as a mass majority are thinking. They need to focus on the gaming aspect of the console, even if all the specs are not at expectations. It will sell a lot, Sony might even be the top dog in this war for console superiority.

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Submit wrote In what way are they going to hit rock bottom? They'll come out on top, people fail to see that the reveal conference was... well just that, a reveal. A lot of those cons are hyped up, and it's about time someone stepped up and made the leap to advance hardware. I couldn't even bring myself to read the entire list as it's nonsense really, everyone I've asked is hyped up for the new Xbox, don't know why the media is portraying it in such a bad light. E3 will spell the change in the media, Halo & Gears combined with new franchises and sequels will swing the market. Looking forward to E3, I'm not really into all the Kinect stuff but if it works like it did in the Microsoft demo then I'm stocked to use it.

I'm glad to say that the majority of users on TTG aren't moronic Sony fanboys, hopefully people can see sense.

There stocks are dropping already.

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Do some research first mate.

So why did M$ stocks srop so suddenly then straight after the one reveal. The sony thing makes sense but M$ at the same time...

Wow mate, please take yourself of this forum. A 1k+ post user who has no clue, TTG has changed, you have no clue do you? So glad you're a Sony fanboy, and not an Xbox one. At least our fanboys make intelligent arguments.

Haha you really think i am a Sony fanboy don't you. The last time i had a playstation was the PS1. Add me on xbox if you want "My KFC" i have a 3 year tenure.

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Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

To top it off my friend:
CPU for XBOX ONE: 1.2 TFLOPS (RUMORED
CPU for PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
RAM? don't get me started because the RAM on ps4 was supposed to be 4GB DDR3 but then on the conference they changed it and it gave the developers a shock because they didn't know about it so it can change with MS and xbox one as well...

I'm talking about the GPU.

Is that what you're talking about? because to me it seems as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Jamy wrote

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Jamy wrote

CMYK_ wrote

Jamy wrote

Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

To top it off my friend:
CPU for XBOX ONE: 1.2 TFLOPS (RUMORED
CPU for PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
RAM? don't get me started because the RAM on ps4 was supposed to be 4GB DDR3 but then on the conference they changed it and it gave the developers a shock because they didn't know about it so it can change with MS and xbox one as well...

I'm talking about the GPU.

Is that what you're talking about? because to me it seems as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah I was talking about GPU by mistake I have typed in CPU (always happens to me) and I agree with Submit you actually don't have clue what you talking about...

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Jamy wrote

CMYK_ wrote

Jamy wrote

Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

To top it off my friend:
CPU for XBOX ONE: 1.2 TFLOPS (RUMORED
CPU for PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
RAM? don't get me started because the RAM on ps4 was supposed to be 4GB DDR3 but then on the conference they changed it and it gave the developers a shock because they didn't know about it so it can change with MS and xbox one as well...

I'm talking about the GPU.

Is that what you're talking about? because to me it seems as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hahahaha if we were all London badmen, would have been classed as a PAR.
Seriously though, it is coming across that you genuinely have no idea of which you speak, frankly upsetting.

fknvlink wrote Kinect must be connected, and functioning at all times for the system to even turn on and remain active * i hardly see how this is bad considering it comes with the xbox. Kinect is actually good

Because some people may not want kinect and actually not even be able to use Kinect because of the size of there room.

-Back and Forward Buttons missing, Replaced with View and Menu buttons, Home Button removed entirely and replaced by voice commands. *herp derp menu button will be able to take you back to dashboard. different names same basic things. remember black and white buttons?

No it won't that is why it states that "Home Button removed entirely"

-Kinect 2.0 *yer advanced kinect is bad...

Some people may not want kinect.

-Kinect built in at the start (meaning everyone will have a kinect, and MAY have more support) *whats so bad about every one having kinect. its like saying every will have a controller.

It will add to the price a lot.

-Games cannot be taken over to someone else's house and used on their console unless you log in on your account and play your account only. (Co-op permitted as long as the game owner's account is logged in and playing) *log into your account?

It is tied to the console.

-If you let youer friend borrow or buy a game off you, when they put it into their system they will have to pay a "Fee" to be able to play the game. This fee could be as much as the game is new in retail * Lets your friends use your account, also on PC we can't take our games to our friends houses. this is the future of gamming.

But for the use of praticality why should i be retricted in taking games around to my friends house?

-All games have a mandatory install *allows better quality and longer lasting dics drive.

Why should i have to install the game if i don't want to?

-Internal HD cannot be upgraded, standard model is 500GB *you can get an external hard drive.

Not confirmed.

-No backwards compatibility for Xbox, 360 or XBLA games *they are on different OS. Just like mac and windows.

They could have used a cloud storage solution like the PS4

-Internet connection required (Has to sync once every 24hrs, if the system does not sync after the 24hrs are up, it becomes unusable until it has synced. Every game you purchase MUST sync with Microsoft's servers before you're allowed to play) *plug it in for 1 minute (or how ever long it takes) then unplug and play. do same for games. If you don't have internet then you really can't afford the console anyway.

What about if you live in a rural area. or some other unforseen circustance happen where you can't connect to the intenret for example your internet goes down fore the day or you go on holiday.

I have put my counter points inside the quote.

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Jamy wrote

Luckza wrote One of the biggest companies bringing out the most advanced home game system thus far and you think they'll hit rock bottom; I think not.

How is it advanced. Bahahah

It is more advanced than their current offering...therefore it is advanced.

Thinking they will fail because of a few minor things mentioned is ridiculous.

But it's not as good as the PS4 that will be there downfall.

How is it not as good???

I fail to see any real merit in your arguement

Less GPU power and not GDDR5 ram. You don't have to connect to the internet every 24 hours with the PS4. You have to use voice commands to go home, really... Can;t take games over to a mates house without paying for the game AGAIN. mandotory install. 500gb HDD can't be ugraded. Can't be used without Kinect. No backwards compatitbilty at all.

So...

Both are 8 Core x86 CPU
Both run AMD
GDDR5 ram is a good thing for the PS4
You dont HAVE to use voice commands
500GB HDD Cant be upgraded I never used more than that anyways, plus you could buy and external USB 3 drive
You dont have to pay for the game again, just log in.
My kinect is always connected anyways, no biggie.
PS4 is not backwards compatible either.

I suggest you go take a look at the Architecture stream that was on to show how the system will actually run.

To top it off my friend:
CPU for XBOX ONE: 1.2 TFLOPS (RUMORED
CPU for PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
RAM? don't get me started because the RAM on ps4 was supposed to be 4GB DDR3 but then on the conference they changed it and it gave the developers a shock because they didn't know about it so it can change with MS and xbox one as well...

I'm talking about the GPU.

Is that what you're talking about? because to me it seems as if you have no idea what you're talking about.

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