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ProfessorNobody wrote The paradoxical position that Antinatalists find themselves in - so long as they aren't the political kind - is two fold:

1) We don't want anyone else to become Antinatalists specifically because the philosophy makes whoever is convinced by it miserable.

2) When one Antinatalist encounters another, we want to help them but we also know that there is almost nothing we can say to help them that we ourselves will believe to be true, and almost nothing we can say that will actually help them.

We are in this unfortunate place where we must know of and accept that every single way in which people maintain their illusions are mere survival mechanisms used by our ego's to con ourselves into believing that life is a great thing, so we can't revert to ignorance on that point.

Of course there comes a shotgun to the face worth of misery and despair with a realization like that. That's why Emil Cioran's dissection of this philosophy was called 'On The Heights of Despair.'
There isn't a way back down once you reach that height, in my opinion. Unless something extraordinary happens to you.

I don't believe you can reason your way out of the position you are in because it is the correct position, as much as we don't want it to be, for us it just is.
It's as obvious as the screen in front of your face. We know that people think we are insane, chemically imbalanced, depressed, bleeding hearts.
That doesn't change a thing though because we think the opposing side are also chemically imbalanced, optimism biased, shallow minded and constantly experiencing mania.

If you are capable of believing that Antinatalism is true then you must also be capable of believing that you might be depressed for incredibly good reasons, maybe the only good reasons and all I can say is that this is something you'll have to live with or figure out in your own way.

The only thing close to optimistic I can say to you is that Antinatalism is about the prevention of suffering so if you want a purpose in life then make it the prevention of suffering.
Give to charity, volunteer at homeless shelters. But we both know that this, again, is a method of conspiring against yourself to become complicit in the backwards system of life.

At the very least it's a method which has a practical application and could make you somewhat happy.


It really depends on my mood. There are days where I do feel that I don't wish this idea on anyone due to what mood, and even pain at times, it brings, but other days I feel that I should at least put the idea out there so maybe someone may at least think about what they are doing when they procreate. Creating one life just because you want to live a "normal" life could inadvertently bring a domino effect of suffering for generations to come. It isn't that I want the person to suffer with the idea of antinatalism, it is that I want to maybe help generations of others avoid any pain altogether by getting someone to think. I have that debate with myself pretty often though.

I'm not sure I feel other people have chemical imbalance. I go about it with the idea that I am right, but I am more of a flawed person because I came to that conclusion. I feel like it is me that is odd because the illusions were broken. My survival mechanisms aren't working properly so I am able to see how none of it matters or how creating a family could potentially be one of the worst things you could ever do.

At times, I feel am depressed for good reasons. Others, it just hits me like a big rig when I am in the middle of enjoying myself. It's just one of those things that I am learning to deal with since it is usually just the way I think about life. I think I am dealing with it better since accepting it. Still sucks though, but that's life I guess.
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