Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote This is one of the few things that I actually agree with Donald Trump on.

No civilized society allows one human being to harm another human without being punished. It shouldn't be different with abortion. You're killing a child who isn't yet born but has the potential to be someone and do something in the world. It's really that simple. You didn't want the child? You shouldn't have had sexual intercourse without protection.

Not to mention, some of you aren't even mentioning the side effects of these pills and procedures. The contraceptive pill is a steroid that tricks the body into thinking it's pregnant and we're giving it to teenage girls. It's also a performance enchaining drug that athletes use. It's that powerful.

So not only is having complete control over a woman's body not enough for you, but contraceptives, the only alternative to abortion, should also be disallowed?
Also, you realize that people that use a condom can still end up pregnant, right?

A fetus is not a living human.

Killing a pregnant woman is double homicide. So yes, even by law a fetus is a living human. In fact, look up the definition of a fetus, your statement contradicts itself.

You can sugar coat it all you like, I can join the army tomorrow and kill two hundred people and I wont get charged with murder but instead I will be praised and called a war hero. We all know what I done wasn't right and that I should be charged with two hundred murders but that wont happen because the way our society works.

The contraceptive pill hasn't even been out two hundred years yet. We've survived millions of years without it and there's no need for it now.

And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

And if you use a condom and end up pregnant then you've really messed up or you're extremely unlucky. Shit happens, at-least you actually got to use a condom.

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

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Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

This is 2016. Sex isn't just for reproducing for humans anymore. Women being punished for a mistake during sex is absurd.

And what about the pills and procedures? Again, it is the woman's body. If she wants to take the pills or go through the procedure to get rid of the parasite within her body, she should have that very right. Without it, women will have very unsafe abortions that could kill them. Allowing people that are here now to be harmed or let die because you want to save a potential human being is just not right. If people want less abortions, they need to start teaching kids right. Abstinence only education is counterproductive.

I think Abortion should be allowed. I don't think children should be killed for no reason but I think ultimately it be up to the mother or doctor. Forcing a child to come that isn't wanted can lead to abuse... neglect.. etc.

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Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

Even during the renaissance age and before when being a religious zealot was the norm, brothels still existed. The time in history when the sole reason people engaged in sex for reproduction purposes likely lasted less than a century.

Animals don't even have sex for the sole purpose to reproduce.

Yin wrote

Motivational wrote

Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

This is 2016. Sex isn't just for reproducing for humans anymore. Women being punished for a mistake during sex is absurd.

And what about the pills and procedures? Again, it is the woman's body. If she wants to take the pills or go through the procedure to get rid of the parasite within her body, she should have that very right. Without it, women will have very unsafe abortions that could kill them. Allowing people that are here now to be harmed or let die because you want to save a potential human being is just not right. If people want less abortions, they need to start teaching kids right. Abstinence only education is counterproductive.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

And about the pills and proceadures. Why are woman allowed the contraceptive pill (steroids) when men can't take steroids in America? It's the man's body just as much as the woman's body and the man isn't allowed to take steroids yet the woman is. Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

I agree completely about the unsafe abortions thing though, sadly I don't think there's much that can be done about it. Lots of places such as Chile, Malta etc, don't allow abortions under any circumstances and they don't suffer from these issues as bad as you would think.

Motivational wrote

Yin wrote

Motivational wrote

Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

This is 2016. Sex isn't just for reproducing for humans anymore. Women being punished for a mistake during sex is absurd.

And what about the pills and procedures? Again, it is the woman's body. If she wants to take the pills or go through the procedure to get rid of the parasite within her body, she should have that very right. Without it, women will have very unsafe abortions that could kill them. Allowing people that are here now to be harmed or let die because you want to save a potential human being is just not right. If people want less abortions, they need to start teaching kids right. Abstinence only education is counterproductive.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

And about the pills and proceadures. Why are woman allowed the contraceptive pill (steroids) when men can't take steroids in America? It's the man's body just as much as the woman's body and the man isn't allowed to take steroids yet the woman is. Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

I agree completely about the unsafe abortions thing though, sadly I don't think there's much that can be done about it. Lots of places such as Chile, Malta etc, don't allow abortions under any circumstances and they don't suffer from these issues as bad as you would think.

Do you not understand that anabolic steroids aren't the only steroids available and that men are prescribed steroids all the time?

Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote

Yin wrote

Motivational wrote

Lavish wrote

Motivational wrote And how do I have "complete control over a woman's body"? I'm not forcing her to do something. I'm just telling her that she doesn't have access to a pill. A pill that's extremely powerful and she shouldn't have. She's taking steroids.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're forcing her to have an unwanted child.

She shouldn't of had sex in the first place, you have sexual intercourse for the purpose of having a child. She accepted that she will have a child when she agreed to have sex.

This is 2016. Sex isn't just for reproducing for humans anymore. Women being punished for a mistake during sex is absurd.

And what about the pills and procedures? Again, it is the woman's body. If she wants to take the pills or go through the procedure to get rid of the parasite within her body, she should have that very right. Without it, women will have very unsafe abortions that could kill them. Allowing people that are here now to be harmed or let die because you want to save a potential human being is just not right. If people want less abortions, they need to start teaching kids right. Abstinence only education is counterproductive.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

And about the pills and proceadures. Why are woman allowed the contraceptive pill (steroids) when men can't take steroids in America? It's the man's body just as much as the woman's body and the man isn't allowed to take steroids yet the woman is. Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

I agree completely about the unsafe abortions thing though, sadly I don't think there's much that can be done about it. Lots of places such as Chile, Malta etc, don't allow abortions under any circumstances and they don't suffer from these issues as bad as you would think.

Do you not understand that anabolic steroids aren't the only steroids available and that men are prescribed steroids all the time?

Of course, anabolic steroids are just used to build muscle, other steroids such as corticosteroids are used to treat inflamation and other things. You can buy a contraceptive pill in any chemist/shop but you it's illegal to have anabolic steroids. The contraceptive pill is an anabolic steroid BTW.

Motivational wrote Killing a pregnant woman is double homicide. So yes, even by law a fetus is a living human.

A fetus is considered a living human in the case of a homicide because the law presumes that the woman wanted to have the child.
It isn't the same as the mother aborting the fetus because it's the mother making the choice, not having the choice made for her.

The law takes personal autonomy into consideration with things like this.

Personally I don't think it should be double homicide, it should be homicide and manslaughter, [if the woman isn't obviously pregnant] but that's besides the point.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

This is an obvious straw man of Yin's point.
Women carry the fetus and have the final decision on whether to abort or not, and they will be the ones being punished physically if abortion is made illegal, so obviously they are the main focus of this conversation.
Trying to turn his point around and make him look like a misandrist only makes you look more desperate.

Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

They do, they just weigh the severity of that damage against the damage of having a child and find the latter to be worse.
There aren't only physically motivated objections to having children. There are financial, religious, moral, and ethical ones too.