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Hoen wroteKlaw wrote You know, I'm not trying to offend anyone, but yes. I am a Christian. I believe in everything that's in the bible.
At Jesus' crucifixion, the Roman were experts at everything, especially this. They recorded everything and everyone that was crucified, and they have in fact found the thing they wrote in and there was a man named Jesus' in there.
There also have been many many men try to state how God isn't real, but no one has yet to come up with how he's isn't real.
Just think about our bodies for a second, cells, how they replicate, transfer, go through cycles and all that biology stuff. It just didn't happen by 'nature'. That's where God comes in.
They have found things in the bible to be true. So I do believe it. But again I'm not trying to offend anyone by this. I could go on and on about this. But I won't.
I do believe in God and everything in the bible. :satisfied:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, this is all past knowledge. Wasn't Christianity unacceptable in the Roman Empire until the 400's where the first emperor was baptized? They would have convicted Christians die in the Coliseum because of their faith. Most all of the Christians then were slaves and women because they did not have many rights and Christianity would accept anyone.
So how would Rome document everything that happened when it wasn't even accepted until 400 AD? I think with the Road system the Romans setup throughout Europe is the direct cause of these stories. Eventually, the prophet Jesus Christ was being told about and stories of his majesticness would spread to convert people easier, but they were just stories that stuck.
Emperor Constantine supposedly saw a Christian symbol and the words 'With this sign you shall conquer' in Greek when he looked at the sun on a battlefield, he ordered all of his men to paint Chi-Rho's on their shields and they won the battle.
He saw this as a sign to make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Before Constantine, Christians were subjected to very cruel treatment under Emperor Nero, mainly because their pacifist ideologies conflicted with the Roman Empire's ideals of expansion by force.
Much like you, I think that Christianity spread in the way that it did only because Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire, without that boost, I don't think it would have survived in any abundance.
When you ask how Rome documented the troubles between Christianity and the Empire when it wasn't accepted until 311 AD, when the great persecution ended it's much in the same way that reporters record things in war torn areas today.
People see these horrible acts and they write about them, not all historical data is taken directly from a countries official archives.
Klaw wrote They have found things in the bible to be true. So I do believe it.
They have also found things in the Quran to be true, why don't you identify with Islam?
Klaw wrote At Jesus' crucifixion, the Roman were experts at everything, especially this. They recorded everything and everyone that was crucified, and they have in fact found the thing they wrote in and there was a man named Jesus' in there.
That's not exactly true, Jesus' crucifixion was documented mainly by his disciples, only 2 Roman historians documented his death, and only very briefly.
Tacitus said that 'Christus was crucified at the hands of procurator Pontious Pilate' in his annals, and Lucian wrote, 'Christ was the man who was crucified in Palestine.'
There are some Jewish sources too, but the Romans didn't really have much documentation about Jesus' crucifixion, and when they did, it was brief.
@James_Sr, people in the past didn't care about the 'facts' as much as we do now.
This is why Jesus told parables, instead of trying to relate his teachings to real events that had happened, people thought that as long as they got the moral of the story across, it didn't matter whether it was true or not, this could be said for every story in the Bible.
What you will have to ask yourself is, does it really matter if Adam and Eve weren't really tempted by a snake?
Or is what really matters the message that no matter how much evil tempts you, you shouldn't give in?
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Great post.
I personally think it's just a fairytale. I respect people that believe in a God, and I think it's really cool that they have something to believe in that makes them happy.
In my mind, none of it logically makes any sense. Moses parted the red sea? Yeah, okay. Noah built a giant boat and put two of every single species on it? Yeah, okay.
I think it was all built on the fear of death, among other reasons.
I believe that religion in general has caused way too much conflict and bloodshed over something no one can actually prove.
I love talking about this topic, although I usually refrain from it as some people in life are very close-minded.
In my opinion: intellect and logical reasoning > Faith (But hey, everyone is entitled to think what they want!)
~Kittenz
I personally think it's just a fairytale. I respect people that believe in a God, and I think it's really cool that they have something to believe in that makes them happy.
In my mind, none of it logically makes any sense. Moses parted the red sea? Yeah, okay. Noah built a giant boat and put two of every single species on it? Yeah, okay.
I think it was all built on the fear of death, among other reasons.
I believe that religion in general has caused way too much conflict and bloodshed over something no one can actually prove.
I love talking about this topic, although I usually refrain from it as some people in life are very close-minded.
In my opinion: intellect and logical reasoning > Faith (But hey, everyone is entitled to think what they want!)
~Kittenz
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There's no proof to prove that he is real and there is no proof to prove that he isn't,
There's only two options here and you choose which one to believe.
If you do believe in it that's fine, it's your choice.
If you don't that's also fine since it's your choice.
Religion is one of the most argumentative topics in the world, there is two sides to the argument and you have to choose which side you want to be in. Nobody should judge you for what you believe, if anyone judges you because of that they have no life because why would someone waste their own time judging someone.
I personally do believe in God but I don't agree with the bible, I do not think he is this 'super-human' he is just another person.
The man called 'Jesus' is a real man and there is proof of that but the proof says he existed. It didn't say anything about the so called 'Miracles' the he performed. I think that was just some crap someone made up to get 'jesus' more followers..
I frankly don't care about religion at all because I believe what I want to..
/Rant over
There's only two options here and you choose which one to believe.
If you do believe in it that's fine, it's your choice.
If you don't that's also fine since it's your choice.
Religion is one of the most argumentative topics in the world, there is two sides to the argument and you have to choose which side you want to be in. Nobody should judge you for what you believe, if anyone judges you because of that they have no life because why would someone waste their own time judging someone.
I personally do believe in God but I don't agree with the bible, I do not think he is this 'super-human' he is just another person.
The man called 'Jesus' is a real man and there is proof of that but the proof says he existed. It didn't say anything about the so called 'Miracles' the he performed. I think that was just some crap someone made up to get 'jesus' more followers..
I frankly don't care about religion at all because I believe what I want to..
/Rant over
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Klaw wrote At Jesus' crucifixion, the Roman were experts at everything, especially this. They recorded everything and everyone that was crucified, and they have in fact found the thing they wrote in and there was a man named Jesus' in there.:satisfied:
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Jesus the name the Greeks called him and "Jesus'" Hebrew name is Yeshua so how did they have the name "Jesus" on the crucifixion records if his name is Yeshua.
The name Yeshua corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which comes the English spelling Jesus.
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Adam and eve and noah and the ark etc, they are just metaphors, they shouldn't be taking literally.
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I_Briar_I wrote Here are a few of my opinions on this fact, first i was baptized and went to church when i was younger and it really didnt make any sense, also if you want your child to be a person to follow god you gotta start young. On to the statment all i gotta say is you look up into that wide open space and read all the fact about the bible saying that the earth is 3000 years old. we have bones that we have found of man that are 400,000years old. ( [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] ) also the space have billions of galaxys and moons and sons and life and it unreal. I had just taken in the more science part. Thats what made the most sense to me and its peoples right to think and believe what they want. I do not believe that god is real through the facts of the bible and the facts that have been put in front of me.
It actually doesn't say anywhere in the bible that Earth is 3000 years old. It doesn't say how old Earth is at all.
Also I would like to point out something that a lot of people debate about. When it says that God created Earth and the universe in 6 days it does not necessarily mean actual 24 hour days like we know. Since God didn't create the sun until the 4th day it wouldn't makes since to say that all of the days were 24 hours long. Also I'd like to point out that in 2 Peter 3:8 it says "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." This tells us that time is obviously irrelevant with God. So really each of those 6 days could have been millions of years old. That could all make since with how long it would take to form Earth and could explain why dinosaurs and other animals were much older than humans.
I am a Christian by the way and to other Christians (who this would apply to) I say science is not wrong. I think that most of it is somewhat right with how old everything is. Those 6 days God took to create Earth and the universe could actually be millions of years old. Just a thought.
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God works in mysterious ways. I know you heard that before.
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not to offend any one, but i don't believe in something that cant be proven. Saying there are things that can only be proven as god, just seems as a lazy excuse for figuring it out
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i Am Your **** God Bown Down ill bathe in a tub of blood from infant children
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