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Serj wrote I find it incredibly hard to believe that every one of Chris Kyle's confirmed, or alleged, kills were justified, and I also doubt that every one of them was investigated fully.

This is called speculation and has about as much meaning as bird shit.

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Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I 150% agree with you. Abso-freaken-lutely. All these ignorant Liberal all thing cops are out to kill. They just don't understand the law and refuse to until they're tied up in it. Its pretty unbelievable.

As soon as kids like the rest of the people here get off Fox, CNN, and other new companies like that and do their own research, they'll understand why this guy is a criminal. This, along with many others, is just like the Travon Martin case. All the news focused on was how much of an innocent child this kid was. But as soon as people started investigating it more, they realized that he was a damn thug.

Get over it, guys. Cops don't kill just for fun. Watch carefully in the video. You can see the man try and almost lurch at the cops waist. Why would he do that? To express his innocence? No. I was reaching for a weapon. If you even try to reach for a officers weapon, you deserve that same weapon with 5 in your stomach.

Welcome to the law, boys and girls

The man is a criminal for trying to hit cops, no doubt. They had every right to arrest him. To arrest him. Arrest. At no point should he have been shot with a real gun. Going for a cop's gun doesn't mean he had possession of a gun. The man had mental health issues. Maybe the cops were within the law. That would be the issue then. We need to change the laws and put these guys through better training. They are there to protect and serve. Shooting when a situation gets a little out of control is not ok in my opinion. Unless people are literally in danger (the man has a gun pointed at people or something similar), I don't see where shooting someone is ok. Use the physical training you were given to take these guys down. Use the number of officers to your advantage. If the guy goes for your gun, back up. I don't see where the issue in that is. As far as I know, "police officer" isn't currently in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. I think it will be ok if they were slightly less trigger happy. I don't say this in a "I want cops to die more" sense, but I do want less civilians deaths due to scared cops.

Not sure why I would watch CNN or Fox anyway. Fox has always been on the side of cops (they also tend to lie a lot, which is the main problem.) Not sure about CNN. I stopped really caring about them once it came to light they took money from Bahrain to run a story that wasn't truthful even though they had a reporter that knew the truth.

I dont understand you referencing the fact he had mental health issues. Unless they are meant to be able to profile someone and deduce they have mental health issues and possibly intoxicated then you shouldn't have referenced it.

I disagree with everyone being against the police. Someone said above next time you witness a crime, don't bother calling them. If you're against them, don't dare to rely on them in your time of need.

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Jeez wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I 150% agree with you. Abso-freaken-lutely. All these ignorant Liberal all thing cops are out to kill. They just don't understand the law and refuse to until they're tied up in it. Its pretty unbelievable.

As soon as kids like the rest of the people here get off Fox, CNN, and other new companies like that and do their own research, they'll understand why this guy is a criminal. This, along with many others, is just like the Travon Martin case. All the news focused on was how much of an innocent child this kid was. But as soon as people started investigating it more, they realized that he was a damn thug.

Get over it, guys. Cops don't kill just for fun. Watch carefully in the video. You can see the man try and almost lurch at the cops waist. Why would he do that? To express his innocence? No. I was reaching for a weapon. If you even try to reach for a officers weapon, you deserve that same weapon with 5 in your stomach.

Welcome to the law, boys and girls

The man is a criminal for trying to hit cops, no doubt. They had every right to arrest him. To arrest him. Arrest. At no point should he have been shot with a real gun. Going for a cop's gun doesn't mean he had possession of a gun. The man had mental health issues. Maybe the cops were within the law. That would be the issue then. We need to change the laws and put these guys through better training. They are there to protect and serve. Shooting when a situation gets a little out of control is not ok in my opinion. Unless people are literally in danger (the man has a gun pointed at people or something similar), I don't see where shooting someone is ok. Use the physical training you were given to take these guys down. Use the number of officers to your advantage. If the guy goes for your gun, back up. I don't see where the issue in that is. As far as I know, "police officer" isn't currently in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. I think it will be ok if they were slightly less trigger happy. I don't say this in a "I want cops to die more" sense, but I do want less civilians deaths due to scared cops.

Not sure why I would watch CNN or Fox anyway. Fox has always been on the side of cops (they also tend to lie a lot, which is the main problem.) Not sure about CNN. I stopped really caring about them once it came to light they took money from Bahrain to run a story that wasn't truthful even though they had a reporter that knew the truth.

I dont understand you referencing the fact he had mental health issues. Unless they are meant to be able to profile someone and deduce they have mental health issues and possibly intoxicated then you shouldn't have referenced it.

I disagree with everyone being against the police. Someone said above next time you witness a crime, don't bother calling them. If you're against them, don't dare to rely on them in your time of need.

Yin wrote

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Jeez wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I 150% agree with you. Abso-freaken-lutely. All these ignorant Liberal all thing cops are out to kill. They just don't understand the law and refuse to until they're tied up in it. Its pretty unbelievable.

As soon as kids like the rest of the people here get off Fox, CNN, and other new companies like that and do their own research, they'll understand why this guy is a criminal. This, along with many others, is just like the Travon Martin case. All the news focused on was how much of an innocent child this kid was. But as soon as people started investigating it more, they realized that he was a damn thug.

Get over it, guys. Cops don't kill just for fun. Watch carefully in the video. You can see the man try and almost lurch at the cops waist. Why would he do that? To express his innocence? No. I was reaching for a weapon. If you even try to reach for a officers weapon, you deserve that same weapon with 5 in your stomach.

Welcome to the law, boys and girls

The man is a criminal for trying to hit cops, no doubt. They had every right to arrest him. To arrest him. Arrest. At no point should he have been shot with a real gun. Going for a cop's gun doesn't mean he had possession of a gun. The man had mental health issues. Maybe the cops were within the law. That would be the issue then. We need to change the laws and put these guys through better training. They are there to protect and serve. Shooting when a situation gets a little out of control is not ok in my opinion. Unless people are literally in danger (the man has a gun pointed at people or something similar), I don't see where shooting someone is ok. Use the physical training you were given to take these guys down. Use the number of officers to your advantage. If the guy goes for your gun, back up. I don't see where the issue in that is. As far as I know, "police officer" isn't currently in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. I think it will be ok if they were slightly less trigger happy. I don't say this in a "I want cops to die more" sense, but I do want less civilians deaths due to scared cops.

Not sure why I would watch CNN or Fox anyway. Fox has always been on the side of cops (they also tend to lie a lot, which is the main problem.) Not sure about CNN. I stopped really caring about them once it came to light they took money from Bahrain to run a story that wasn't truthful even though they had a reporter that knew the truth.

I dont understand you referencing the fact he had mental health issues. Unless they are meant to be able to profile someone and deduce they have mental health issues and possibly intoxicated then you shouldn't have referenced it.

I disagree with everyone being against the police. Someone said above next time you witness a crime, don't bother calling them. If you're against them, don't dare to rely on them in your time of need.

They were dealing with a homeless man in Skid Row. It should have crossed their minds that they may encounter a person with mental problems, yea.

I disagree with people being against the police as well. If I am in situation, I will call them. I just may have to hide my wallet/money due to what I experienced last time (I joke, sort of.) I should call them if I feel it is necessary. It is their job, regardless if I like them or not. We, as citizens, pay them to do their job. If I feel they need to change their policies and training, I think we can talk about it considering we do pay them.

I find it kind of odd. There are these European countries where neither people nor cops have guns. Why can't our cops take down unarmed people without using guns like the other countries do? Why is the gun a go-to item? It should literally be a last resort.

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Jeez wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I 150% agree with you. Abso-freaken-lutely. All these ignorant Liberal all thing cops are out to kill. They just don't understand the law and refuse to until they're tied up in it. Its pretty unbelievable.

As soon as kids like the rest of the people here get off Fox, CNN, and other new companies like that and do their own research, they'll understand why this guy is a criminal. This, along with many others, is just like the Travon Martin case. All the news focused on was how much of an innocent child this kid was. But as soon as people started investigating it more, they realized that he was a damn thug.

Get over it, guys. Cops don't kill just for fun. Watch carefully in the video. You can see the man try and almost lurch at the cops waist. Why would he do that? To express his innocence? No. I was reaching for a weapon. If you even try to reach for a officers weapon, you deserve that same weapon with 5 in your stomach.

Welcome to the law, boys and girls

The man is a criminal for trying to hit cops, no doubt. They had every right to arrest him. To arrest him. Arrest. At no point should he have been shot with a real gun. Going for a cop's gun doesn't mean he had possession of a gun. The man had mental health issues. Maybe the cops were within the law. That would be the issue then. We need to change the laws and put these guys through better training. They are there to protect and serve. Shooting when a situation gets a little out of control is not ok in my opinion. Unless people are literally in danger (the man has a gun pointed at people or something similar), I don't see where shooting someone is ok. Use the physical training you were given to take these guys down. Use the number of officers to your advantage. If the guy goes for your gun, back up. I don't see where the issue in that is. As far as I know, "police officer" isn't currently in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. I think it will be ok if they were slightly less trigger happy. I don't say this in a "I want cops to die more" sense, but I do want less civilians deaths due to scared cops.

Not sure why I would watch CNN or Fox anyway. Fox has always been on the side of cops (they also tend to lie a lot, which is the main problem.) Not sure about CNN. I stopped really caring about them once it came to light they took money from Bahrain to run a story that wasn't truthful even though they had a reporter that knew the truth.

I dont understand you referencing the fact he had mental health issues. Unless they are meant to be able to profile someone and deduce they have mental health issues and possibly intoxicated then you shouldn't have referenced it.

I disagree with everyone being against the police. Someone said above next time you witness a crime, don't bother calling them. If you're against them, don't dare to rely on them in your time of need.

They were dealing with a homeless man in Skid Row. It should have crossed their minds that they may encounter a person with mental problems, yea.

I disagree with people being against the police as well. If I am in situation, I will call them. I just may have to hide my wallet/money due to what I experienced last time (I joke, sort of.) I should call them if I feel it is necessary. It is their job, regardless if I like them or not. We, as citizens, pay them to do their job. If I feel they need to change their policies and training, I think we can talk about it considering we do pay them.

I find it kind of odd. There are these European countries where neither people nor cops have guns. Why can't our cops take down unarmed people without using guns like the other countries do? Why is the gun a go-to item? It should literally be a last resort.

It's your and their right to carry firearms. In any case, I sometimes wonder whether people realise that this isn't a simulation but is real life. The police in question could and probably did fear for his or a colleagues life at the time, especially when the victim was grabbing for a gun.

There are of course cases where police should be prosecuted for their actions, as there are with many other jobs involving power. This case isn't one of them.

Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't need to be fully qualified in police tactics to know when this was some cop who got shit scared even when he had 7 other police officers behind him ready to back him up.
They could have taken one limb each and had one person hold his chest down. He's restrained, and he's still alive. It doesn't take a degree in policing to have common sense.

OK. You use that 'If a tree falls in the woods' argument in court, see how hard everyone laughs at you.

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't need to be fully qualified in police tactics to know when this was some cop who got shit scared even when he had 7 other police officers behind him ready to back him up.
They could have taken one limb each and had one person hold his chest down. He's restrained, and he's still alive. It doesn't take a degree in policing to have common sense.

OK. You use that 'If a tree falls in the woods' argument in court, see how hard everyone laughs at you.

You trying to bash my statements clearly shows you're angry you can't prove that the officers you hate were in the right and justifiable in this instance. How many times have you had someone try and assault or kill you? Put your hand on my weapon, shit gets real and you go down, doesn't matter who you are, If you try to mess with my life, I go home, you don't. Bottom line is, if the man complied in the first place this situation would have never happened. Either don't call the cops or don't complain when they do the job they were trained to do, especially when you have no actual knowledge of the job they perform every day and night 24/7.

you can't prove that the officers you hate [think were wrong, I don't hate them] were in the right and justifiable

Yin wrote

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Senate wrote

Yin wrote

Jeez wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

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Serj wrote

Cincinnati-Bengals wrote

Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I 150% agree with you. Abso-freaken-lutely. All these ignorant Liberal all thing cops are out to kill. They just don't understand the law and refuse to until they're tied up in it. Its pretty unbelievable.

As soon as kids like the rest of the people here get off Fox, CNN, and other new companies like that and do their own research, they'll understand why this guy is a criminal. This, along with many others, is just like the Travon Martin case. All the news focused on was how much of an innocent child this kid was. But as soon as people started investigating it more, they realized that he was a damn thug.

Get over it, guys. Cops don't kill just for fun. Watch carefully in the video. You can see the man try and almost lurch at the cops waist. Why would he do that? To express his innocence? No. I was reaching for a weapon. If you even try to reach for a officers weapon, you deserve that same weapon with 5 in your stomach.

Welcome to the law, boys and girls

The man is a criminal for trying to hit cops, no doubt. They had every right to arrest him. To arrest him. Arrest. At no point should he have been shot with a real gun. Going for a cop's gun doesn't mean he had possession of a gun. The man had mental health issues. Maybe the cops were within the law. That would be the issue then. We need to change the laws and put these guys through better training. They are there to protect and serve. Shooting when a situation gets a little out of control is not ok in my opinion. Unless people are literally in danger (the man has a gun pointed at people or something similar), I don't see where shooting someone is ok. Use the physical training you were given to take these guys down. Use the number of officers to your advantage. If the guy goes for your gun, back up. I don't see where the issue in that is. As far as I know, "police officer" isn't currently in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. I think it will be ok if they were slightly less trigger happy. I don't say this in a "I want cops to die more" sense, but I do want less civilians deaths due to scared cops.

Not sure why I would watch CNN or Fox anyway. Fox has always been on the side of cops (they also tend to lie a lot, which is the main problem.) Not sure about CNN. I stopped really caring about them once it came to light they took money from Bahrain to run a story that wasn't truthful even though they had a reporter that knew the truth.

I dont understand you referencing the fact he had mental health issues. Unless they are meant to be able to profile someone and deduce they have mental health issues and possibly intoxicated then you shouldn't have referenced it.

I disagree with everyone being against the police. Someone said above next time you witness a crime, don't bother calling them. If you're against them, don't dare to rely on them in your time of need.

They were dealing with a homeless man in Skid Row. It should have crossed their minds that they may encounter a person with mental problems, yea.

I disagree with people being against the police as well. If I am in situation, I will call them. I just may have to hide my wallet/money due to what I experienced last time (I joke, sort of.) I should call them if I feel it is necessary. It is their job, regardless if I like them or not. We, as citizens, pay them to do their job. If I feel they need to change their policies and training, I think we can talk about it considering we do pay them.

I find it kind of odd. There are these European countries where neither people nor cops have guns. Why can't our cops take down unarmed people without using guns like the other countries do? Why is the gun a go-to item? It should literally be a last resort.

It's your and their right to carry firearms. In any case, I sometimes wonder whether people realise that this isn't a simulation but is real life. The police in question could and probably did fear for his or a colleagues life at the time, especially when the victim was grabbing for a gun.

There are of course cases where police should be prosecuted for their actions, as there are with many other jobs involving power. This case isn't one of them.

It is their right to carry them, but it shouldn't always be their right to use them. Only in dire situations should a gun be used. If a guy has a pointed gun or if someone has a knife to someone's throat are two examples of that. Reaching, which means he doesn't even have it, doesn't fall under that. If you see someone reaching, back up or use unarmed self defence to bring him down. They should be trained in unarmed self defence. They should use it sometime. If they don't train for that for some odd reason, then they should.

If eight trained men are so scared and can't bring down one homeless man without a gun, I seriously consider if any of them should be cops. Cops have a tough job (I will not and have not ever doubted that), but they have a huge responsibility to do that job correctly. One unarmed man being shot and killed in the middle of eight trained men on a public sidewalk is not responsible in any sense of the word.

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Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't need to be fully qualified in police tactics to know when this was some cop who got shit scared even when he had 7 other police officers behind him ready to back him up.
They could have taken one limb each and had one person hold his chest down. He's restrained, and he's still alive. It doesn't take a degree in policing to have common sense.

OK. You use that 'If a tree falls in the woods' argument in court, see how hard everyone laughs at you.

You trying to bash my statements clearly shows you're angry you can't prove that the officers you hate were in the right and justifiable in this instance. How many times have you had someone try and assault or kill you? Put your hand on my weapon, shit gets real and you go down, doesn't matter who you are, If you try to mess with my life, I go home, you don't. Bottom line is, if the man complied in the first place this situation would have never happened. Either don't call the cops or don't complain when they do the job they were trained to do, especially when you have no actual knowledge of the job they perform every day and night 24/7.

Angry? A man died because 8 police officers couldn't keep him down without shooting him, and you're acting like me being angry about that is silly?

I'm 'bashing' your statements because they are stupid. If 8 police officers can't keep a man down or keep his hand off their guns which should have been secured in their holsters anyway then they should not be police officers.

This wasn't a small one on one situation, this is a gang of trained, strong, men not being able to restrain one skinny homeless guy without resorting to shooting him. You can harp on about police procedure all you want, but the police procedure which says it's OK to shoot that homeless guy is stupid, wrong, and should be changed.

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Great thing in this world for police is "Ask, Tell, Make.'

Clearly in multiple videos the officers begin asking the suspect to Drop the Gun, This would be the asking portion.

This all happens after less than lethal force was already applied ie. the taser. Obviously, if any of you monday quarterbacks knew anything about tasers, when a taser makes the sound it did, this means it did not reach contact with the suspect's skin and the electric shock was not appllied to the suspect.

By repeating the command of "drop the weapon" the officers are in compliance with the Tell portion of the system.

When the suspect no longer complies with reasonable and lawful commands from the officers, lethal force is authorized, as they have already tried less than lethal, which is what you all want anyways.



Food for thought, no cop goes to work thinking, maybe i can kill someone today, what would he/she actually gain from that. The tension between police and the community is already bad enough. And if you so arrogantly think all cops want to do is kill people, next time you see someone break the law, don't call 911, I mean you clearly know more than the police so who needs them anyways.

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You are honestly going to sit there and say that because the taser didn't work their only other option was to shoot him?
It is not hard for that many police officers to restrain someone non-lethally, and if it is then they should not be police officers.

Saying this was justified is insane.

And you are fully qualified in police tactics, I forgot.
You are certified in all the less than lethal force tactics of police.
I guess i forgot you have dealt with multiple people who are non compliant before, or anyone on any form of hallucinogen or depressant for that matter.

Another food for thought, you all complain about not being able to see the suspect grab onto the officers weapon. If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound, you'll never know, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't need to be fully qualified in police tactics to know when this was some cop who got shit scared even when he had 7 other police officers behind him ready to back him up.
They could have taken one limb each and had one person hold his chest down. He's restrained, and he's still alive. It doesn't take a degree in policing to have common sense.

OK. You use that 'If a tree falls in the woods' argument in court, see how hard everyone laughs at you.

You trying to bash my statements clearly shows you're angry you can't prove that the officers you hate were in the right and justifiable in this instance. How many times have you had someone try and assault or kill you? Put your hand on my weapon, shit gets real and you go down, doesn't matter who you are, If you try to mess with my life, I go home, you don't. Bottom line is, if the man complied in the first place this situation would have never happened. Either don't call the cops or don't complain when they do the job they were trained to do, especially when you have no actual knowledge of the job they perform every day and night 24/7.

Angry? A man died because 8 police officers couldn't keep him down without shooting him, and you're acting like me being angry about that is silly?

I'm 'bashing' your statements because they are stupid. If 8 police officers can't keep a man down or keep his hand off their guns which should have been secured in their holsters anyway then they should not be police officers.

This wasn't a small one on one situation, this is a gang of trained, strong, men not being able to restrain one skinny homeless guy without resorting to shooting him. You can harp on about police procedure all you want, but the police procedure which says it's OK to shoot that homeless guy is stupid, wrong, and should be changed.

Again, thank you for being a monday morning couch quarterback, as I can tell you have dealt with unruly homeless before, or anyone on a hallucinogenic or depressant. You have clearly successfully restrained someone like this before, I'm sorry, you are the expert matter subject here. Go through a combatives class where weapons are holstered. The fact of the matter is and always will be, the suspect touched the officers weapon, that is in itself enough for lethal force, no matter the underlying circumstances. Lethal force will always be used if you touch an officers weapon. That is a death wish in itself. Nice emphasis on the "gang of trained, strong, men" was already very clear in early comments how highly you regard police officers. Please, don't call the police ever.