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I'm asking for help in finishing a build for 144hz 1440p gaming build Q. What is your budget and currency? A) Around HUF500 000 for the PC parts and around HUF150 000 for a monitor. Better if I somehow end up spending less, but I don't quite see that happening. Also, sites I'm looking at are: [Minimum post requirement for links] to see if there's any well rated local shop that sells the product for a reasonable price. Most likely to be buying from: Whichever reliable vendor has lower prices of the given product. Q.What will you use the PC for? A) In short: Mostly gaming at 1440 @ 144hz, various types of games. I do play a lot of competitive ones tho, but I love to chill with casual ones. Hoping for consistent performance, high framerates in competitive games, around 80-120fps minimum in casual games (of course depending on how demanding a game is, I'd change my expectations and the settings until I find the sweetspot) Q. Do you need a monitor? If not, what monitor(s) will you be using? A) I will need a new monitor for the new build, ideally a WQHD 144hz one that has low response time and basically a nice image quality and is reliable. Note: I've never used any panels other than TNs @ 60hz, so I'm pretty much used to fast response time and not the best image quality. Q. Do you need a keyboard, mouse, or other peripherals? A) No. Q. Do you need an operating system? A) No. Q. Will you overclock? A) Not at all. Q. Anything else we should know? A) Generally, if there's a really fitting monitor (great response time, good image quality and probably no headaches) and it's not well over my budget, I will try saving up for it. Also, I'm no expert and was greatly influenced by websites, reviews and other's opinion overall. And finally the (hopefully) close to done build that was formed by a lot of people's ideas. List of parts: GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 3X (GV-N207SGAMING OC-8GD) CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 MOBO: Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro (non-wifi, using ethernet) RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 3600MHz (F4-3600C16D-16GTZR) [CL16-16-16-36 1.35V 16GB (2x8GB)] SSD: Samsung 1TB 860 QVO (MZ-76Q1T0BW) HDD: Seagate 2TB BarraCuda 256MB (ST2000DM008) PSU: Seasonic Focus GX-650W Gold (Focus GX-650) Case: Phanteks P400A (PH-EC400ATG_DBK01) (Black DRGB) Main display x 1: I was recently looking at a LG 27GL850-B. Optionally: Secondary display x 1: Could I use my old - Samsung S24D330H - monitor as a second display? Some concerns: Price and stock problems were huge in Hungary even before the pandemic... Hopefully things get atleast a little bit better/stable in the next 1-2 months. The RAM listed is (as of 2 June) most likely out of stock. Same with the case, except there's one shop selling the Black DRGB for HUF40 000 which is ridiculous compared to how much it was half a year ago. Another shop selling only the White DRGB one for a more reasonable price, HUF33 000. I kind of like the minimalistic, clean looks and the mesh panel, of course in hopes for a better airflow. About the MOBO, I barely understand anything related to motherboards. So that might not be the best pick. SSD - Don't work with huge files, will use mostly for gaming, don't know how much of a difference there is between gaming on SATA vs NVMe, cared about reliability and lifespan. These aside. I would appreciate any kind of feedback on the build as well as part recommendations if there's a mistake/bad part. Thanks for reading. |
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MrTspyn wrote Hoping for consistent performance, high framerates in competitive games, around 80-120fps minimum in casual games (of course depending on how demanding a game is, I'd change my expectations and the settings until I find the sweetspot) Just for reference, I run an R7 1700x and RTX 2070 Super with my 1440p144Hz monitor. I can achieve over 100FPS easily at 1440p with optimised settings. My 1700x is actually probably holding me back a little in some games, but the 3600 would alleviate any of that CPU bottleneck. So, an R5 3600 + 2070 Super is great for 1440p144Hz. MrTspyn wrote I've never used any panels other than TNs @ 60hz, so I'm pretty much used to fast response time and not the best image quality. If you've been using 60Hz TN panels, you're not used to fast response times. Ignore advertised response times anyway, they're almost never accurate and don't paint the full picture of how good a monitor really is. MrTspyn wrote MOBO: If you're buying a B450 motherboard, get an MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX and call it a day. B550 motherboards will be available soon though, might be worth waiting to see which of those(if any) are worth buying. Or, if you're looking at X570, get any of the Asus X570 boards from the TUF up. MSI X570 Tomahawk is good too, but don't buy any of the other MSI X570 boards, they're trash. MrTspyn wrote SSD - Don't work with huge files, will use mostly for gaming, don't know how much of a difference there is between gaming on SATA vs NVMe, cared about reliability and lifespan. A year ago, I'd have said stick with SATA. Now though, decent 1TB NVMe SSD's are barely more expensive than SATA counterparts, so I'd be aiming for an NVMe SSD at this point tbh. MrTspyn wrote Main display x 1: Good option. As is the MSI Optix MAG271CQR/MAG272CQR if they're available at reasonable prices. The Samsung HG70 that you've mentioned is also a decent option. I have a Samsung JG50, which is essentially the same monitor without Freesync support, and it's great. For case, the Phanteks P400A is kind of always all over the place in terms of pricing. In the US, it has been up to like $260+ at times, for a $70-100 case. Fractal Design Meshify C, and Cooler Master NR600 are some decent alternatives that should be in the same price range. CPU; Ryzen 5 3600x - 65,000HUF If you can't get this for a reasonable price, you'll be able to get the 3600 non x for 60,000HUF anyway. If the 3600x is only a little more expensive, just go for it. Motherboard; MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX - 40,000HUF Alternatives; RAM; Patriot Viper 3600MHz @ CL17 - 30,000HUF Storage; 1TB Crucial P1 - 40,000HUF 2TB Seagate Barracuda - 20,000HUF Case; Cooler Master NR600 - 20,000HUF Nice, simple mesh case like the P400A. If you really want some RGB fans, you can add them after the fact anyway. PSU; Riotoro Enigma G2 - 27,000HUF Alternatives; This takes you to around 200,000HUF total with the B450 motherboard. +150,000HUF for a 1440p144Hz monitor; MSI Optix MAG271CQR Samsung C27HG70 The MSI MAG272CQR is about the same price, and is just a newer revision of the 271CQR, so also a decent option. Or the LG 27GL850, but that's a little more expensive. That just leaves GPU, and there's only 2 options I'd be considering for a GPU. An RX 5700XT, or if you want RTX/DLSS support and an additional ~10% performance, an RTX 2070 Super. A decent 5700XT will set you back 140,000-150,000HUF. If you get a 5700XT, get the Gigabyte Gaming OC or one of the Sapphire coolers. An RTX 2070 Super will set you back around 190,000-200,000HUF. If you get a 2070 Super, get whichever you prefer the look of and is priced the best for you. Even with an X570 motherboard and an RTX 2070 Super, this full system+monitor should still be under 600,000HUF so well within your 650,000 budget. If you drop to the B450 motherboard and an RX 5700XT, you'd even be able to get everything including monitor closer to 500,000HUF. |
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Sounds good, but I have some questions.
B450 Tomahawk MAX, thought of this one, really popular, but is it actually that great? About RAM, the Patriot one has CL17-19-19-39 timings if I'm correct. Not sure how big of a difference this would make exactly (in overall performance), but I'm leaning a bit to lower timing for more money now, cause I'll never be overclocking or playing with the timings anyways. Also not sure about Tomahawk MAX's compatibility with the RAMs listed above (I'm sure they all would do fine but couldn't find anything in its QVL, might be just me). Always paranoid when it comes to RAMs. PSU - Still don't get why some ppl recommend 650W and others 550W for the same build. I guess they aren't sure? But you are. Right? - I'm totally not. About the case, I'll probably pick up the P400A. I really like the looks of it, though I don't know if I should go white drgb since it would kind of fit my room and is (as of 2 June) just a bit more expensive than the black non-rgb (which comes with 1 less built in fan too) / - I'll decide on this one bit later - SSD - Fair, saw the P1 coming I would buy the Samsung C27HG70 like no-brain, if it wasn't for all the videos and threads about it having flickering issues in corners, really bad response time when not at max frequency, ghosting, overshooting, BLB and all kinds of QC problems. It's hard to tell if it's the product that has a high % of being completely underwhelming or it's just that the people who have the issues with them are the "loudest". At the end, I kind of don't know which one to go for. Also, still interested if I could use my old monitor as a second display for the new build and if so, will I have problems running both? (Sorry for the dumb question but I never had the opportunity to try more than one) Would be a big positive if I could tune in to my favorite streams while playing. Thanks for the response anyways. |
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MrTspyn wrote B450 Tomahawk MAX, thought of this one, really popular, but is it actually that great? Yes, it is. This one is actually popular for a reason. It is without a doubt the best B450 motherboard option. Gigabyte are 2nd best, but the Tomahawk MAX is a better buy especially since you're using it with a Zen2 CPU. Again though, B550 motherboards should start popping up for sale this month, so if you're considering a B450 board, maybe hold off a little for B550 reviews and see if one of those are worth grabbing instead. MrTspyn wrote About RAM, the Patriot one has CL17-19-19-39 timings if I'm correct. Not sure how big of a difference this would make exactly (in overall performance), but I'm leaning a bit to lower timing for more money now, cause I'll never be overclocking or playing with the timings anyways. 3600MHz @ CL17 is pretty good. Most 3600MHz kits run CL18-20 at stock settings. With Zen2, if you're not going to manually tune RAM, buy a 3600MHz kit with the tightest timings you can afford, and set the highest XMP(A-XMP/DOCP) setting that you can in BIOS. If anything, I'd be looking at 32GB RAM instead of 16GB if you're going to spend any more money on RAM. MrTspyn wrote Also not sure about Tomahawk MAX's compatibility with the RAMs listed above (I'm sure they all would do fine but couldn't find anything in its QVL, might be just me). Always paranoid when it comes to RAMs. From what I've heard, the Patriot Viper stuff is pretty good for speed/timings and compatibility. QVL list will let you know for sure what will work without a doubt. Some stuff might work perfectly fine but not be on the QVL as it just hasn't been qualified by MSI. B550 motherboards will almost definitely have better memory support. Either way, like I said, just buy a 3600MHz kit with the tightest timings you can find. MrTspyn wrote PSU - Still don't get why some ppl recommend 650W and others 550W for the same build. I guess they aren't sure? But you are. Right? - I'm totally not. Some 650W PSU's are better value than 550W's. Some 650W's just cost more than you need to spend. 550W is more than adequate, so long as it's good quality. I would take the Riotoro Enigma G2 that I linked because it is a great quality PSU and is 650W at a better price, instead of 550W like the other 2 I recommended. No harm in having the extra 100W, but like I said 550W is enough, so if you go with the Seasonic or Cooler Master unit instead, those will also be absolutely fine. MrTspyn wrote About the case, I'll probably pick up the P400A. I really like the looks of it, though I don't know if I should go white drgb since it would kind of fit my room and is (as of 2 June) just a bit more expensive than the black non-rgb (which comes with 1 less built in fan too) / - I'll decide on this one bit later - Yeah, if you're set on the P400A, go for it. Check how cheap you can get some half decent RGB fans though, you might be able to get the non RGB P400A + 3 RGB fans for less than the RGB P400A would cost you. MrTspyn wrote I would buy the Samsung C27HG70 like no-brain, if it wasn't for all the videos and threads about it having flickering issues in corners, really bad response time when not at max frequency, ghosting, overshooting, BLB and all kinds of QC problems. I haven't had any issues with my JG50, and everyone I've spoke to who has owned an HG70 has said they loved it. If you're not set on the HG70 though, the MAG271CQG/272CQR and LG GL850 are great, similarly priced alternatives. The HG70 would actually probably be my last choice of the 4 to be fair. MrTspyn wrote Also, still interested if I could use my old monitor as a second display for the new build and if so, will I have problems running both? (Sorry for the dumb question but I never had the opportunity to try more than one) Yeah, you can re-use your old 1080p monitor as a secondary display. Definitely shouldn't have any issues. I use my old 1080p60Hz display as a secondary monitor. |
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