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What is your budget and currency? It is around $1,400.00

What will you use the PC for? To do some gaming. Some of the games i am playing as we speak are, World Of Tanks, War Thunder, BattleTech, FrostPunk, Subnautica, Xcom 2.

Do you need a monitor? If not, what monitor(s) will you be using? No. I am using a ASUS VS248H Gaming Monitor- 24"

Do you need a keyboard, mouse, or other peripherals? No

Do you need an operating system? Yes

Will you overclock? Maybe

Anything else we should know? I am hoping to water cool this time around, but still not completely certain as i am a noob.

This is the build i was thinking about. What do you all think? Feel free to give suggestions and or make changes.

pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDKr6R

I have no case on their as i am looking for one with good airflow so that is why i haven't added one yet.

PS: Was thinking of going with AMD, but someone said not too as Ryzen chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage. This is exactly what he said:

Personally, I would avoid the RYZENS at this stage. Im a big AMD CPU fan but the RYZEN chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage.

AMD implemented PCIE Gen4 and has been having to disable that now. Then each version of the chip requires a different AEGIS (something like that) version. This means they cannot make a Unified BIOS due to limited space and you have to really researh which BIOS is needed for the Ryzen generation...right now 1.0.0.3 abba is for the Ryzen 3xxx but not all motherboard have it.

The Ryzen 2xxx needs an older BIOS but the AEGIS numbers are not in numerical order, so it might be like a 1.0.0.8 (just example) so the BIOS does not tell you anything other than 1.0.0.3 abba and a lot of people update the bios like they do their drivers and create yet another issue.
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Ghostwa1ker wrotehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDKr6R

Please no, do not buy this. First of all, unlocked Intel CPU on a motherboard that you can't overclock with? Wasted money for no reason.

You don't need a 750W PSU. Do not pay $100+ for your OS. Also you're $100 over budget before even adding a case here.

Ghostwa1ker wrotePS: Was thinking of going with AMD, but someone said not too as Ryzen chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage. This is exactly what he said:

Personally, I would avoid the RYZENS at this stage. Im a big AMD CPU fan but the RYZEN chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage.

Ignore literally everything that person has told you then. BIOS' for AM4 motherboards are being rolled out far more frequently than they are for any of Intel's LGA platforms. Motherboard manufacturers are right now, far more invested in AMD than Intel, so any AMD updates get pushed to the top of their to-do list, and anything Intel gets done last.

Ghostwa1ker wroteAMD implemented PCIE Gen4 and has been having to disable that now. Then each version of the chip requires a different AEGIS (something like that) version. This means they cannot make a Unified BIOS due to limited space and you have to really researh which BIOS is needed for the Ryzen generation...right now 1.0.0.3 abba is for the Ryzen 3xxx but not all motherboard have it.

The Ryzen 2xxx needs an older BIOS but the AEGIS numbers are not in numerical order, so it might be like a 1.0.0.8 (just example) so the BIOS does not tell you anything other than 1.0.0.3 abba and a lot of people update the bios like they do their drivers and create yet another issue.

Lol, no. "AGESA" is the part of the BIOS that AMD give to motherboard manufacturers. Motherboard manufacturers then implement the latest AGESA in their newest BIOS revisions. So, it absolutely is in "numerical order" and it is VERY easy to determine which BIOS is how old just by looking at your motherboard's information page, like for example;
asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHA..._Download/
top to bottom in order of newest to oldest, and each BIOS version explains which AGESA version it is using.

All motherboards have implemented a BIOS revision with the 1.0.0.3ABBA AGESA because it is now out-dated(thanks to Rockstar), and most have now also implemented AGESA 1.0.0.4

You DO need one of the newer BIOS' to run a Ryzen 3000 CPU, assuming you have an older motherboard(obviously), but it's only something like 1.0.0.3A you would need. Regardless, update to the latest BIOS and you wouldn't have any issues of that sort.
Ryzen 2000 does absolutely NOT "need" an older BIOS. Ryzen 2000 will work on ANY BIOS that released after Ryzen 2000. The only time Ryzen 2000 will not work because of a BIOS, is if you have an old motherboard(B350, X370) with an ancient BIOS that released before Ryzen 2000 did.

This really just sounds like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about trying to come up with excuses as to why AMD is bad, so they can justify their i5 purchase lol.




If you're spending $1400, I definitely wouldn't be buying a $500+ GPU to pair with a 1080p60Hz monitor, I'd be doing something more like this;

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($110.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: VIOTEK GN27D 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1362.91

As you can see, B450 motherboards don't all have BIOS support for Ryzen 3000. However, the B450 Tomahawk comes with BIOS flashback, so you can flash the latest BIOS and run your R5 3600 no problem. Alternatively, just ask wherever you buy the motherboard from to update it to the latest BIOS for you, or you could instead buy an MSI B450 Tomahawk "MAX" which will come pre-loaded with Ryzen 3000 ready BIOS support.

I'd run the stock cooler for now probably or just grab a Be Quiet Dark Rock (Pro) 4. You can upgrade the cooler at any time if you want. I'd personally go air, but if you like the way AIO's look, then go for it.
1TB NVMe SSD will be plenty for now, but again you can add an HDD at any point. You will probably want to add an HDD at some point to be fair, but you can leave it out for now to keep costs down if necessary. Basically, it's the last thing I'd add, focus your budget on other stuff first.

Left the RTX 2070 Super in there, only because it's the same GPU I've been considering. Do keep in mind that you can get an RX 5700XT for like $100 less, and it'll perform very similarly to a 2070 Super(within 5% or so).

I also included a nice new 1440p144Hz monitor for you so that you can actually make use of all that performance you get with the RTX 2070 Super. Really no reason to get anything other than a GTX 1660 Super if you keep your 1080p60Hz monitor, in which case you'd be able to get the entire system under a grand easily.
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Ghostwa1ker wrotehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDKr6R

Please no, do not buy this. First of all, unlocked Intel CPU on a motherboard that you can't overclock with? Wasted money for no reason.

You don't need a 750W PSU. Do not pay $100+ for your OS. Also you're $100 over budget before even adding a case here.

Ghostwa1ker wrotePS: Was thinking of going with AMD, but someone said not too as Ryzen chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage. This is exactly what he said:

Personally, I would avoid the RYZENS at this stage. Im a big AMD CPU fan but the RYZEN chip Motherboard BIOSEs are Garbage.

Ignore literally everything that person has told you then. BIOS' for AM4 motherboards are being rolled out far more frequently than they are for any of Intel's LGA platforms. Motherboard manufacturers are right now, far more invested in AMD than Intel, so any AMD updates get pushed to the top of their to-do list, and anything Intel gets done last.

Ghostwa1ker wroteAMD implemented PCIE Gen4 and has been having to disable that now. Then each version of the chip requires a different AEGIS (something like that) version. This means they cannot make a Unified BIOS due to limited space and you have to really researh which BIOS is needed for the Ryzen generation...right now 1.0.0.3 abba is for the Ryzen 3xxx but not all motherboard have it.

The Ryzen 2xxx needs an older BIOS but the AEGIS numbers are not in numerical order, so it might be like a 1.0.0.8 (just example) so the BIOS does not tell you anything other than 1.0.0.3 abba and a lot of people update the bios like they do their drivers and create yet another issue.

Lol, no. "AGESA" is the part of the BIOS that AMD give to motherboard manufacturers. Motherboard manufacturers then implement the latest AGESA in their newest BIOS revisions. So, it absolutely is in "numerical order" and it is VERY easy to determine which BIOS is how old just by looking at your motherboard's information page, like for example;
asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHA..._Download/
top to bottom in order of newest to oldest, and each BIOS version explains which AGESA version it is using.

All motherboards have implemented a BIOS revision with the 1.0.0.3ABBA AGESA because it is now out-dated(thanks to Rockstar), and most have now also implemented AGESA 1.0.0.4

You DO need one of the newer BIOS' to run a Ryzen 3000 CPU, assuming you have an older motherboard(obviously), but it's only something like 1.0.0.3A you would need. Regardless, update to the latest BIOS and you wouldn't have any issues of that sort.
Ryzen 2000 does absolutely NOT "need" an older BIOS. Ryzen 2000 will work on ANY BIOS that released after Ryzen 2000. The only time Ryzen 2000 will not work because of a BIOS, is if you have an old motherboard(B350, X370) with an ancient BIOS that released before Ryzen 2000 did.

This really just sounds like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about trying to come up with excuses as to why AMD is bad, so they can justify their i5 purchase lol.




If you're spending $1400, I definitely wouldn't be buying a $500+ GPU to pair with a 1080p60Hz monitor, I'd be doing something more like this;

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($110.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: VIOTEK GN27D 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1362.91

As you can see, B450 motherboards don't all have BIOS support for Ryzen 3000. However, the B450 Tomahawk comes with BIOS flashback, so you can flash the latest BIOS and run your R5 3600 no problem. Alternatively, just ask wherever you buy the motherboard from to update it to the latest BIOS for you, or you could instead buy an MSI B450 Tomahawk "MAX" which will come pre-loaded with Ryzen 3000 ready BIOS support.

I'd run the stock cooler for now probably or just grab a Be Quiet Dark Rock (Pro) 4. You can upgrade the cooler at any time if you want. I'd personally go air, but if you like the way AIO's look, then go for it.
1TB NVMe SSD will be plenty for now, but again you can add an HDD at any point. You will probably want to add an HDD at some point to be fair, but you can leave it out for now to keep costs down if necessary. Basically, it's the last thing I'd add, focus your budget on other stuff first.

Left the RTX 2070 Super in there, only because it's the same GPU I've been considering. Do keep in mind that you can get an RX 5700XT for like $100 less, and it'll perform very similarly to a 2070 Super(within 5% or so).

I also included a nice new 1440p144Hz monitor for you so that you can actually make use of all that performance you get with the RTX 2070 Super. Really no reason to get anything other than a GTX 1660 Super if you keep your 1080p60Hz monitor, in which case you'd be able to get the entire system under a grand easily.
I asked if i could get help building a new PC, but maybe i should ask if by upgrading mine it would still be solid. I have a i5 4690K with a 1080 FTW GPU and 8 GB of RAM, but the MB will need to be replaced as two channels for my RAM have stopped working.

Also what size PSU would you recommend than? As for the OS, where would i get that for under $100?

If you do not think upgrading my PC would make it solid again, would you all recommend building a new PC i take it?

Any suggestions for a good case with good airflow?
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Water cooling a PC is very easy by today's standards with AIO (all in one) configurations, but there's a lot of info to go with that. Getting a bad AIO can lead to awful performances even worse leaks. I always aim for performance when going with an AIO over aesthetics and it's something to keep very well in mind fans can be replaced, pumps and radiators however.. not so much.

That PC is an absolute mess. For starters, look around on google. You can buy windows 10 legit copies for 20.00 USD. No reason to buy it over 30.00 USD.
Performance build

Something to keep in mind when it comes to looking at the 2060, 2060 Super, 2070 and 2070 Super is that the 5700 XT comes in at a lower price and give or take 10 fps above or below a 2070 Super depending on the game being played. I would also consider your CPU change heavily, a 9700K is by no means a bad CPU, but it barely competes against the 8700K and 3700X. Especially so in terms of price and performance.

Whoever told you Ryzen is garbage is an idiot. 3950X (if you can stomach the price tag of 750.00+) at 1440p and 4K hits the 9900K hard and beats it in nearly everything all while running colder. I think they need to be looking at benchmarks more often... Also, who the hell recommends an optical drive these days? Do you even have a CD you'd use? You can install windows via USB.. Top it off they didn't even offer you a case to choose on or tell you that your monitor could use a serious upgrade.
Acer Monitor - 1080p / 1ms Response Time / 144Hz / 27" / IPS Panel
Acer Monitor - 1440p / 1ms Response Time / 144Hz / 27" / IPS Panel
Just two monitors I'd personally consider.

Build with 144Hz Monitor
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pcpartpicker.com/list/bBdgb8

Settled on that build. Any suggestions? Speak now or forever hold your peace lol
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Why aren't you getting an nvme and an SSD? Possibly cheaper and much better performance
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Harmonaz wroteWhy aren't you getting an nvme and an SSD? Possibly cheaper and much better performance
Any suggestions?
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I'd replace your 500gb SSD with

pcpartpicker.com/product/6YtQzy/i...knw512g8xt

Same price, capacity, but nvme.

My bad - can't find any SSD equivalent for your HDD.
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