AdviceFirst build, need some parts advice
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I was hoping someone could help me with some questions I had about picking parts for a PC since I haven't built one of these things before. I did take a beginners course in putting computers together back in community college but that was like 15 years ago so what little I remember is way out dated. I wanna make a good gaming rig but don't really need it to be the biggest and flashiest.
I've been told that you build everything else around the CPUs so thats the only part I've really looked into so far. From what I've been reading I'm leaning towards the AMD CPUs. The 2700X was my main interest but I know that they got a new line coming out in a couple of weeks. I've heard that builds with AMD are more future proof than Intel's stuff so I'm curious if it is viable to do a 2700X build with a good motherboard and maybe upgrade to a newer CPU next year or something, or if I should just spend a little extra and go for the 3700 or 3800 now. One serious issue I gotta deal with is heat. My apartment gets pretty warm during the summer as there is only one window AC in the bedroom and I just have a fan blowing air from there to the living room to help cool things down a little. I also don't wanna screw with water cooling for my first time out so I'm gonna stick with a fan. I don't know how much cooling the newer processors are gonna require or if a fan is gonna be enough for them. |
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So, for watercooling, I want to point out that All-In-One coolers are really easy to install, no custom piping, no changing liquids, direct from factory, and you throw it right in, bam, done deal.
The 2700x is not bad at all, but to avoid a BIOS update, and a bunch of hassle with using old AM4 motherboards with newer CPU's, get a current gen AM4 motherboard built for the Ryzen gen 2 CPU's, there's some really good boards like the x470 Gaming Plus on Amazon around $130, and that's a good base to build from. One thing to consider is board specs, how many fan headers, how many CPU fan headers for addressable speeds and pump settings, what kind of BIOS it ships with, the heatsinks on the board, the type of AIO, if you want Wi-Fi built in or a PCI-e Wi-Fi card, all this had to be accounted for, and I've always found that it's best to build around the board, not the CPU, because the board is like the body of a PC, it's where everything flows through and connects together. And once you have a board, you can look into cases, and you gotta match your board to a case, such as if you have an ATX regular sized board, you need a case that can account for it, and if it doesn't come with case fans, definitely invest in Noctua fans, just make sure whichever you buy tells you if it's for a case or if it's for a radiator, as there is a difference. Once you're good on a board and a case, RAM is the easy part, the type of RAM you need is told to you when you buy a board, whether it be DDR4 or whatever you choose. Then I go for CPU, and for the board mentioned above the x470 Gaming, it can handle a 2700x, but for something with that much power, there's gonna be heat, and an All-In-One watercooler is really a good investment over plain air cooler, just gotta make sure the case you get has the room for a 120mm (single) or 240mm (dual) radiator, they're easy to install. And for the radiator fans, if you get a fan splitter, it'll only take up one fan header on the board, and you can either plug that into the CPU fan header, so it'll adjust airflow depending on heat, or you can plug the pump into the CPU fan header so it pumps more when it's hotter, I plug my radiator fans into my CPU header personally, but my radiator is... externally mounted, I'll update later with pictures, it's ridiculous how it's set up, I'm surprised it works lol. But then you got your board, case, CPU, RAM, cooler, case fans, all that's good, then you'll just need a GPU, and then, a dependable power supply that can handle all that you threw in there. Pcpartpicker is an amazing website for you to test anything you think of buying, to see if it's all compatible, and it'll even recommend things such as fan splitters if the need arises depending on the components you pick. Also hop on Youtube to look into how to install and word an All-In-One cooler, they're really something else, and has definitely made water cooling a feasible thing, with more ease, for those who are new to trying it out, it's a game changer, I'll never go back. PM me if you have any more questions UPDATE: I just went to PC part picker, and found the best budget build that's actually pretty easy to accomplish, and it's air cooled if you'd prefer that still, I know going up to water is kinda iffy for a lot of people, it was the same for me friend, here's the link to that build if you're interested, it's not a 2700x, but for gaming, and general use, even streaming, it should be very good, and it's in a phanteks case, good brand, the only two case brands I'll use are Phanteks and ThermalTake Here's the link to that: Good Budget PC You can read how the parts were picked, or just scroll down to see the list, and if there's any broken links on the list, just search Amazon and I'm sure you'll find it Prices on that site may vary, but that's how it be in the PC building world lol |
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For starters, youtube. Secondly, you so don't need RGB or anything that is super amazing, and frankly once you are at that top end you really feel the weight of the games, programs, editting, connection speed, install/uninstall speeds and so on. This is coming from a guy who has a PC setup that costs 6,300 USD. I can do some amazing things, and at amazing speeds. But with a 2080 Ti and 8700k I can run Black Desert Online at 1440p across my 3 27inch monitors at about 5FPS at the highest settings, lower it down FPS goes up... And I do not like that at all. I can play it on one monitor at 60+ though, so..some trade off. I wouldn't say that you build everything around the CPU but that is definitely a major component. For me I build around my PSU (power supply unit) that way I know what's in my efficiency curve, headroom for upgrades and overclocking, as well as what I can theoretically pull from my wall at the most. At this point in time I would recommend waiting until September even October as it would seem there is some rumor Nvidia will be launching "Super" versions of their RTX line up, AMD has yet to have any releases come out in full and benchmarks for what is out is scarce or limited due to NDAs and so on. There are some things out for graphics cards (GPUs) though. AMD back in the day was a viable option for future proofing, and if the new CPUs they release bench exceptionally well, AMD very likely will be taking that spot away from Intel. I can honestly say it's what's holding me back from going for a 9900k and delidding it. Heat is an easy thing to deal with, good fans, good case, good watercooling, there's some great options out there. But a lot of new cases that have a lot of promise have yet to be released and are in Q3 and Q4 of 2019 and some as late as Q2 of 2020. Youtube CES, PAX, Computex, literally dive your head into this stuff, I know it can be daunting but it is far better than getting ripped off and tossed in the trash by horrid companies like WalMart, Best Buy and so on. There are good companies out there and there are some prebuilt options that are also in budget allowances that work amazingly well, even include payment plans. Xidax Cyber Power Digital Storm EKWB NZXT All of those websites offer prebuilt watercooling and even warranty services from dusting to upgrades. To where they can either send you the parts and show/tell you how to install them, do it themselves or even take your current rig and send you the new one or do the repairs/service/upgrades desired. Watercooling also just isn't scary, it's more or less simple as hell today. A good example being EVGA, GIGABYTE and ASUS all offer RTX cards with AIO (All In One) liquid cooling options where everything from the radiator, block and fan(s) are all installed and all you have to do is screw it all into your PC and mount it, bam done. Same for CPU cooling and that one has DOZENS of options, thermaltake, EVGA, ASUS, EKWB, DeepCool, AlphaCool, NZXT, and SO MANY more. Do not be worried about water cooling it's way easier then you could ever imagine. Good youtubers to look at: Linus Tech Tips BitWit JayzTwoCents Designs By IFR HardwareCanucks Austin Evans Paul's Hardware Gamers Nexus Websites to consider as well: Linus Tech Tips Forums Tom's Hardware PC Part Picker The most major thing I can tell you though is consider what it is you are doing and want to do. What is your future, is it this thing you're doing now or want to do? Let that guide you, because you may not be like me who simply does not have a budget for their PC and can say, "Hmmm.. I guess I'll buy a second 2080 Ti and buy more FujiPoly thermal pads and Conductonaut afterall." Legit I'm tossing nearly another 2,000 dollars on a single GPU upgrade. I've even bought the Valve Index VR headset and two more towers for it just for the extra spotting ability. That alone was over 1,200. Why? Because I like gaming on 3 monitors that are 1ms response times, 144Hz and IPS panels that are also 16:9 2560x1440p and I absolutely love and believe VR is our future and I CANNOT WAIT. You may never well care for such insanity. Ever. Hell I stream my games purely because I can.. 1gb connection speed. Found out Youtube and Twitch limit their transcode to non-partners because people like me would be streaming in 1440p at 60fps. Why? I like quality. Not 720p. Summary, it's all on you for what you want. Don't blow your budget on a hobby unless you have that luxury of life. It may or may not be something you find yourself truely enjoying or end up doing something else with that rig entirely due to a job change or something. |
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| Is it better to get a graphics card from the same manufacturer as the cpu or does it matter? Like if I get an AMD CPU but a Nvidia GPU or vice versa will it still be ok? I've heard some people say that it can cause small errors in random games/programs and that you gotta make sure you have a board that supports both formats if you do. |
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K0rN_b4LL wrote Is it better to get a graphics card from the same manufacturer as the cpu or does it matter? Like if I get an AMD CPU but a Nvidia GPU or vice versa will it still be ok? I've heard some people say that it can cause small errors in random games/programs and that you gotta make sure you have a board that supports both formats if you do. GPU is completely dependent on the drivers, your CPU plays almost no part in which works better, unless a manufacturer went out of their way to "specially optimize" a specific graphics card for a specific CPU, which is usually just a gimmick to make you buy them as a combo, but honestly PC building is like Lego-land, if you wanna mix and match, go for it bro, the only limitations is what your case and motherboard are compatible with, such as if it's a socket 1151 board you're stuck with Intel, and vice versa for AMDs AM4 boards, and depending on case, you have to get a GPU that fits as some can be too long, but in case specs it usually gives you clearance specs, such as how far off the board your cooler can extend if it's air, and how long of a GPU it can fit, and GPU sizes can be found in the specs section of whichever GPU you're looking at, but mostly overall, if the numbers line up, brand doesn't matter, it'll work out regardless. Typically though, whether I use AMD or Intel for my CPU, I typically go for GTX regardless as their heat/performance/efficiency ratios are better, don't get my wrong, I rocked rx 580 for a while, and it definitely hit the ground running, but it does run a bit too hot for my comfort. I never go insane with my GPU pick either, because you really don't have to, even now my 1070ti FTW packs more than enough punch with my CPU to auto-set my graphics in most games to Ultra, the only exception I've found so far is older games defaulting to medium such as Oblivion, it always defaults me to medium regardless of my hardware. But as for matching manufacturers, it truly doesn't matter |
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| How come there seem to be different companies selling the same part with their name on it. I was looking at the 5700 and there was the Sapphire 5700 XT, the ASUS 5700 XT, the XFX 5700 XT, ect. Is there a difference between these versions or is it just different companies selling the same thing at their own prices? |
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