I was going to post about it after a lil more information was released by USADA. Beat me to it lmao.

Possibility of a 4 year ban but after a second offence during title fight cards, I wouldn't be surprised if Dana gives him the boot. I've considered John my all time favourite fighter excluding Mac and Uriah, but he just gives you too many reasons to doubt his true capabilities.

What a waste of talent. Holy shit.

Capoeira wrote I was going to post about it after a lil more information was released by USADA. Beat me to it lmao.

Possibility of a 4 year ban but after a second offence during title fight cards, I wouldn't be surprised if Dana gives him the boot. I've considered John my all time favourite fighter excluding Mac and Uriah, but he just gives you too many reasons to doubt his true capabilities.

Oh, he's done for sure now.

Sean wrote

Capoeira wrote I was going to post about it after a lil more information was released by USADA. Beat me to it lmao.

Possibility of a 4 year ban but after a second offence during title fight cards, I wouldn't be surprised if Dana gives him the boot. I've considered John my all time favourite fighter excluding Mac and Uriah, but he just gives you too many reasons to doubt his true capabilities.

Oh, he's done for sure now.

I think what hurts the most for me as a die hard fan is that we were so close to seeing him get back in the octagon for Gustaffson 2, the first fight was monumental.
After his first suspension I have no idea why he thought he wouldn't get caught this time.
Just goes to show that words mean nothing and actions mean everything.

Very unfortunate, especially since the steroid he used isn't anywhere near as powerful as some other well known steroids.

Makes almost zero sense as to why someone who's unbeaten (not counting the DQ) would need any sort of performance enhancement. It's likely that he's been using steroids throughout his whole career anyway but this just makes him even more suspicious.

Still one of the best MMA fighters of all time IMO.

Motivational wrote Very unfortunate, especially since the steroid he used isn't anywhere near as powerful as some other well known steroids.

Makes almost zero sense as to why someone who's unbeaten (not counting the DQ) would need any sort of performance enhancement. It's likely that he's been using steroids throughout his whole career anyway but this just makes him even more suspicious.

Still one of the best MMA fighters of all time IMO.

You just said he's likely been using them his whole career but yet you call him one of the GOATs? If you follow baseball, that's like saying Barry Bonds is Hall of Fame worthy. If he used roids his whole career, then there's no way you can say he's the greatest of all time because he cheated his whole career.

Savitar wrote You just said he's likely been using them his whole career but yet you call him one of the GOATs? If you follow baseball, that's like saying Barry Bonds is Hall of Fame worthy. If he used roids his whole career, then there's no way you can say he's the greatest of all time because he cheated his whole career.

He's a fantastic fighter, that has absolutely nothing to do with taking steroids.

Steroids aren't going to make you have better judgment, movement, balance etc. Jon Jones has a very unique fighting style with his elbows and knees which steroids aren't going to effect that much considering you're striking with the bone and mainly using your weight as opposed to muscle when it comes to elbows/knees. I don't think I've ever seen a Jon Jones knockout without him throwing a knee/elbow, not even mentioning his decision wins/submissions.

I don't watch baseball but the two sports are completely different. If you swing a bat in baseball, besides judging when the ball is coming, the only variable is the speed, strength and weight behind the bat which steroids completely effect and have total control over. You can be 120kg of solid muscle as opposed to a natural person being only 70-80KG lean. There's also no weight classes in baseball etc. It's like comparing apples and oranges, the two sports are completely different.

Brock Lesnar absolutely abused the hell out of steroids, he was carrying easily twice the muscle as the fighters he was competing against and he still had a terrible record and was by no means an incredible fighter. More muscle = more weight which means slower punches and more muscle requires more oxygen, the majority of steroids are counter productive for stamina sports.

9/10 times, a fight is lost because of a bad judgment call. Throwing a punch and getting countered, getting put into a submission etc. Jon Jones is an incredible fighter, irrelevant of what he took, he could beat almost anyone in the planet inside an MMA cage.

Motivational wrote

Savitar wrote You just said he's likely been using them his whole career but yet you call him one of the GOATs? If you follow baseball, that's like saying Barry Bonds is Hall of Fame worthy. If he used roids his whole career, then there's no way you can say he's the greatest of all time because he cheated his whole career.

He's a fantastic fighter, that has absolutely nothing to do with taking steroids.

Steroids aren't going to make you have better judgment, movement, balance etc. Jon Jones has a very unique fighting style with his elbows and knees which steroids aren't going to effect that much considering you're striking with the bone and mainly using your weight as opposed to muscle when it comes to elbows/knees. I don't think I've ever seen a Jon Jones knockout without him throwing a knee/elbow, not even mentioning his decision wins/submissions.

I don't watch baseball but the two sports are completely different. If you swing a bat in baseball, besides judging when the ball is coming, the only variable is the speed, strength and weight behind the bat which steroids completely effect and have total control over. You can be 120kg of solid muscle as opposed to a natural person being only 70-80KG lean. There's also no weight classes in baseball etc. It's like comparing apples and oranges, the two sports are completely different.

Brock Lesnar absolutely abused the hell out of steroids, he was carrying easily twice the muscle as the fighters he was competing against and he still had a terrible record and was by no means an incredible fighter. More muscle = more weight which means slower punches and more muscle requires more oxygen, the majority of steroids are counter productive for stamina sports.

9/10 times, a fight is lost because of a bad judgment call. Throwing a punch and getting countered, getting put into a submission etc. Jon Jones is an incredible fighter, irrelevant of what he took, he could beat almost anyone in the planet inside an MMA cage.

Okay, but I never said he was a bad fighter without steroids. I'm just saying that he was using them. Which is the thought that matters regardless. Cheating is cheating, even if you're naturally gifted or good at the sport you're playing and using steroids in.

Savitar wrote Okay, but I never said he was a bad fighter without steroids. I'm just saying that he was using them. Which is the thought that matters regardless. Cheating is cheating, even if you're naturally gifted or good at the sport you're playing and using steroids in.

You implied he wasn't one of the GOAT, which is ironic because he probably is the GOAT except for maybe Anderson Silva or Georges St-Pierre. Judging on pure skill, nothing to do with his record or how hard he hits. Jon Jones is undeniably one of the best fighters of all time and probably the best.

Savitar wrote
Cheating is cheating, even if you're naturally gifted or good at the sport you're playing and using steroids in.

So Jon Jones, who took an extremely weak steroid that increases recovery time and allows him to have more energy throughout the training season is as guilty as someone who uses abuses painkillers just before they fight so they can't feel punches or get submitted and then wins because of it?

Cheating isn't cheating, there's different levels and it's completely relevant what his skill level is. He dominated Daniel Cormier, it doesn't matter if he used a single, very mild steroid or not. That didn't effect the fact that Cormier didn't block a kick to the jaw and got knocked out as a result. The steroids were obviously for training purposes and they probably weren't even in his system when he fought Cormier.

Savitar wrote he was using them

Savitar wrote playing and using steroids in

Do you know what steroids he was taking? And when he took them? He's thirty and this is the first time that he's been caught in his whole career using steroids. I wouldn't be so quick to judge him for using them his whole career, although I do believe he has, that's because of several other factors and my personal opinion of doping in sports.