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I am looking to get my self a new PC for the January times. (If there is a a lot of parts on sale at the time I will either re post this at the time or comment on it to push to the top.

The build will just be the PC itself as I have all ready the Monitors, Mouse and Keyboard.

I will be using the PC for gaming and maybe streaming in the near future.

My budget will be around 2000 UK pounds.

I am interested in water cooling all the components too if its worth it with the budget I have as I know that water cooling is expensive.

I also have a 100 UK pounds budget for a microphone, not headset.

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What monitor(s) do you have?
What games will you be playing?
Will you be overclocking?
Watercooling as in a custom loop or an AIO? Watercooled CPU and/or GPU?
Anything else, any preferences(aesthetic, storage, brands, etc)?
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I have a 4k monitor and a 1920 x 1080p monitor.

Most new game that come out like New battlefield and future games.

I have not much experience with overclocking but am willing to put the time and effort to gain some knowledge on it.

I would prefer to have a GPU and CPU water cooled, if not a CPU AIO will do. Like I said the build doesn't have to be water cooled if its now worth it. I just wanted to see if it was with my price range.

As of aesthetics I would like the build to be 1 to 2 colours if possible (I don't mind which colours). I would prefer a Intel CPU but if there is better CPUs for this price range I'm open to all. 500gp ssd or M2 would be nice and at least 2tb HHD space, If I can get a high storage SSD for a good price I would prefer that too.

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Sorry I forgot to add I have already got the ISO for the PC.
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Well, you've got 2 grand so you can do pretty much whatever you want. Whether or not watercooling is "worth it" is really subjective and a custom loop has never been good value lol.

For CPU, you'll want to go Ryzen and Ryzen is quite efficient anyway so a mid ranged air cooler would do the job perfectly. If you wanted to get an AIO for aesthetics, pretty much any one would do. 120/140mm AIO's are really piss poor value considering cheaper air coolers perform better but like I said, Ryzen is pretty efficient so a 120/140mm AIO would do the job to be fair. Though, I'd still probably just get a 240/280mm AIO for the CPU with the way pricing is.

For GPU, you can buy a hybrid card, EVGA are good for making these but hybrid cards are typically over-priced(IMO) and the AIO is going to die before the GPU is so I don't like to recommend Hybrid GPUs. If you're going to replace the GPU within like 3 years anyway, then maybe, but since it's a closed loop that can't be maintained, once the fluid inside gets gunked up or something starts to fail(pump maybe), then you've pretty much just got a blower style cooler at that poin. So if you want to watercool the GPU, I'd personally probably just do a custom loop. That said, you can buy an NZXT G12 which would let you remove the cooler from an air cooled GPU and use an AIO to cool it, so you'll get watercooling temparatures without a full custom loop, but you can still maintain the GPU because you can re-fit the air cooler later or just replace the AIO used with the G12 when/if the AIO fails.

Again though, you have 2 grand so you can really do whatever you want and watercooling has never been about value.

Capital-D wrote 500gp ssd or M2 would be nice and at least 2tb HHD space, If I can get a high storage SSD for a good price I would prefer that too.

m.2 is just a form factor. I'd just stick with 2.5" form factor for SATA SSD's, and keep m.2 slots free for NVMe SSD's in case you decide to add one of those in the future. Also what do you mean by "high storage SSD"? Is 500GB not "high storage"? I mean, you've got 2 grand so you could get a couple of 1TB SSD's if you really wanted, though it'd be pretty unnecessary IMO. 500GB SSD's are the best value right now IMO and a great capacity, but 1TB SSD's are also good value right now, like the 1TB Samsung 860 EVO for around 150 quid.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (£150.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£58.99 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£134.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£122.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.14 @ Novatech)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card (£671.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£71.99 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£85.47 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1426.50

This is kind of a start. You're playing at 4k so you won't notice a difference between Ryzen and Intel in games at 4k, GPU is a much more noticeable difference. Ryzen 7 for 150 quid is an absolute steal. R5 2600 is the same price which has slightly better single core performance, but 2 less cores so the R7 will perform better in streaming and other multi-threaded workloads. You could get an R7 2700(x) for the best of both worlds but that's at least £100 more than the R7 1700. Still not quite as bad as Intel, you're paying more than 3x for an i9-9900k over R7 1700. I suppose you've got the budget to waste here if you want, but it really is a waste of money with the value Ryzen offers and your use case.

I included a cheaper 240mm AIO for you that'll do the job, but if you're using an AIO for the aesthetics, you might want to pick your own out. NZXT X52/X62 is the go to for a lot of people.Though I would get an air cooler from Cryorig, Phanteks or Be Quiet!

2TB HDD and 500GB SSD as asked for. Like I said before though, 1TB 860 EVO instead of the 500GB(or even alongside I suppose?) wouldn't be a bad idea if you wanted.

Case is also going to be up to you. There's plenty of other good mid ranged case options other than the H500 I included. Phanteks Enthoo Pro(M) TG, Eclipse P400(s), Fractal Meshify C. If you do want to do a full custom loop, you'd definitely want a higher end case though IMO. Something like a Define S2, NZXT H700, or CM H500P Mesh. Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG would also be good for a full custom loop and is priced more closely to mid ranged options.

I included an RTX 2080 because 2080Ti's are just ridiculously priced IMO. I wouldn't be able to justify spending that much for a 2080Ti. Even the 2080 is a tough pill to swallow, but it's around the same price 1080Ti's cost new and 1080Ti's aren't available anymore. Up to you though, if you don't mind the price increase, you can afford it, so you could opt for a 2080Ti if you really wanted.
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Thank you for the detailed response.
I was wondering about a "big" SSD because I wanted to store all my games on there and the HDD for films and other things, so I would probably switch out the 500gb for the 1TB as you said its not bad for price at the moment.
I would like to have the option to upgrade in the future if necessary.
I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to these things, as you can probably tell.
As for custom loop, I just like the aesthetic look of it that's all, I don't know that much about it and if there is issues I wouldn't know what to do so I'll go with the one you have put in the list.
When you talk about the CPU's, from your experience would you say the 9900k is a better option since I have the budget for it?
Once again thank you for the detailed response
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Storage is easy to add later if you need to anyway, so yeah 2TB HDD and 500GB-1TB SSD is a solid option. 2TB SSD's are still really expensive and kind of unnecessary anyway, for the most part. If you were doing lots of editing/rendering, then maybe, but at that point you'd probably want like a 512GB NVMe SSD and 1TB SATA SSD.

You can always upgrade in the future lol. With an X470 motherboard, you'll be able to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 when it releases. With an i9-9900k, you have no upgrade route at all without a new mobo. Intel and AMD HEDT sockets aren't going to be worth it if you're only really gaming. RTX 2080Ti is really the only upgrade from an RTX 2080, which you could do just now if you wanted. Titan RTX is definitely not worth it, especially since it alone is over your budget.

The i9-9900k is better than an R7 1700, but not worth the 300%+ price increase IMO. The R7 1700, the X470 mobo, AND 16GB RAM is less than just the i9-9900k. The 9900k will also require a much more expensive motherboard. If you really wanted to go Intel, an i7-8700k/9700k would make more sense IMO.

Custom loops can be relatively easy but it is a DIY process, and it will require maintenance so if you're not interested in that, stick with air cooling or AIO's. I don't want to put you off a custom loop if you're up for it, but I don't want to recommend stuff that you won't be satisfied with.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£389.95 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£158.33 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£106.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £655.25
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£163.33 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£134.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£113.76 @ Box Limited)
Total: £412.08

Swapped the 1700 to a 1700x since the 1700x came down and is less than 15 quid more now. i7-9700k is £250 more and is 8C/8T vs 1700x's 8C/16T, but the 9700k does have better single core performance. That said, if you swap in an R7 3700(X) or whatever at release, it could potentially be pretty close to 9700k single core, but with 8 extra threads. Either option is going to be pretty bulletproof though tbh.
techspot.com/review/1730-intel-co...page4.html
If you look at those benchmarks, you'll see that at 4k there's very little difference(if any) between CPU's. 4k is much more GPU dependent so that's why I'd recommend saving money and going Ryzen. They do use a 2700x in these benchmarks, but an R7 1700x overclocked to 4GHz will perform pretty much on par with an R7 2700x, especially at 4k.

For cooling, you could try this maybe;
ekfluidgaming.com/ek-kit-a240
it comes with everything you need to do a custom loop for the CPU. It would be around £170 shipped to the UK from EKWB, for some reason it's out of stock everywhere here, like OCUK. Again, since this is a custom loop it will require maintenance. If you're interested, you could give this a quick read;
Archives/t=6902921/ultimate-water...guide.html
for some basic info.

Alternatively, here is a bunch of AIO options;
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: EVGA - CLC 280 113.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£104.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design - Celsius S24 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£99.99 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X52 Rev 2 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£129.59 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£134.66 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: EVGA - CLC 240 74.82 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£94.81 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£58.99 @ AWD-IT)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£102.99 @ Box Limited)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£99.95 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Asus - ROG RYUO 120 RGB 80.95 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£129.78 @ Aria PC)

Pick whichever you like the look of best and feel is reasonably priced. Do not get the 120mm Asus one if you go Intel though. It would be fine if you went Ryzen and you really liked the look of that AIO, but it's ridiculously over-priced and a £30ish air cooler would out-perform it.

Like I said for GPU, I would personally stick with an RTX 2080 but you might want to look at benchmarks of games you'll be playing for the 2080 and 2080Ti to see whether you think the 2080Ti is worth it or not.
techspot.com/article/1702-geforce...benchmark/

2080Ti's have all been consistantly above £1100, but I've just seen this Palit one is under a grand for some reason;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vG66M...020lc-150a
So that might not be a terrible shout if you feel a 2080Ti is worth it. Ugly af cooler though IMO.

Here are your other 2080Ti options if that's what you want;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wBYLr...t11tfmpb-o
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/RtqhP...20810f-10p
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/T2Nv6...080ti-a11g
These are the most 'reasonably priced' unfortunately.

If you're wanting to stick with an RTX 2080, the EVGA one I included is the best option for the price IMO, but these are also good for not too much more;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qMKcC...ing-oc-8gc
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QsBTw...duke-8g-oc

Oh, and if you do want to use an AIO for the GPU, you could use this;
amazon.co.uk/NZXT-RL-KRG12-W1-PC-...kraken+g12
with this;
amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Performance-...kraken+g12

This is still kinda DIY like a custom loop though since you'll need to remove the air cooler from the GPU yourself and install the bracket and AIO, you just won't have to worry about tubing or connecting the pump/rad since that's all contained in the AIO. You also won't have to maintain the loop, but that's because you can't lol. When the AIO ultimately dies, if you're still using the same GPU and not considering an upgrade, you could just replace the AIO or stick the original air cooler back on anyway. Probably a good chance you'll have upgraded or be considering an upgrade by the time the AIO is done though to be fair.

Lastly, here's the cases I'd be looking at;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=nzxt+h500 (don't get the H500i)
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=ecl...ered+glass
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=meshify+c+tg+atx
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=enthoo+pro+tg
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=h700
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?cc=uk...=define+s2
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JGjJ7...p-wgnn-s00
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I think I'll leave custom loops to another time and stick with the AIO's, as for them I was thinking the H100i pro and the ryzen 1700x and as for graphics card I'm gonna stick with the EVGA RTX 2080. I really like the look of the Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S case too.
Silly question but do you recommend any case fans that are quiet as possible?
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£163.33 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£99.95 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£134.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£113.76 @ Box Limited)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£154.97 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£55.14 @ Novatech)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card (£671.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.00 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£85.47 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1558.10

You're probably gonna have to put the H100i in the front of the P400S, so I'd maybe just grab one additional fan to use in the rear as exhaust. You'll only be able to fit a 120mm fan in the rear of the P400s though, not a 140mm- just so you know. You'll be able to fit 2x140mm fans(or 2x120mm) in the top of the P400s, but radiator clearance is poor which is why you'll want to run the H100i in the front. Up to you if you want to get a 120mm for the back, or 140mm and put it up top instead but here's the fan I'd recommend;
uk.pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=sil...ings+3+pwm
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if you recommend any other case that will be better for fitting and space then I wouldn't mind using that.
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