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ALWAYS USE THE LATEST VERSION OF LT+ (Currently the latest version for Benq and Liteon is v1.1)
If I got anything wrong, please let me know. Im a human and I make mistakes.
Q: What which version of the 360 does the LT+ flash work on?
A: Xbox 360 FAT(original)
Q: Which drives does the LT+ flash work on?
A: Benq, Liteon (74850, 84850 v1 & v2, 94850) (Note: LT Plus for Hitachi 78 and 79 is being released)
Q: What about the Xbox 360 Slim?
A: That is being worked on. 9504 will be first and 0225 second. There is no ETA so DO NOT ASK !
Q: What about the Hitachi or Samsung drive?
A: Maybe - There is no AP25 on older Hitachi Drives (46/47/58/59) but there may is AP25 checks on the newer Hitachi drives (78/79) - There is an LT+ firmware being released for those drives. Samsung is reported not to have AP25 BUT some users have had issues booting AP25 games (we have found that some consoles have been repaired / refurbed with a Samsung drive by MS Official repair centers when the console was originally a Liteon - this could be causing issues - to those guys we suggest trying a Liteon drive - it may solve your problems - do this at your own risk we are simply giving the best advice possible) - so LT+ for these drives may be looked at after the Slim is done.
Q: Can I spoof a Benq or Liteon to be Hitachi or Samsung?
A: Yes. But spoofing can be detected by XBL. If you are banned or not using or don't care about Live then yes you can spoof.
Q: Can I spoof a Benq or Liteon to a 360 Slim if I have the Slim's DVD Key ?
A: Yes. But spoofing can be detected by XBL. If you are banned or not using or don't care about Live then yes you can spoof.
Q: Why do I need LT+?
A: AP25 does not let you play certain backup games without updating your 360 to the latest dashboard(12611). This new dashboard can then use AP25 to perform a number of new checks which stops AP25 games from booting and will flag your Xbox 360 for a ban on the next ban wave. If you update your dashboard and flash LT+ you can then use patched AP25 games and boot no problems and use XBL with no ban flag.
Q: Do I update straight to LT+ or do I need to change my fw version first?
A: You can update to LT+ straight away from any firmware version.
Q: Do I need to update to LT+ before updating to the new Dashboard ?
A: No, you can update to the new dashboard at anytime - just don't put a backup of an AP25 game unless you have LT+ firmware flashed to your drive as you will be flagged for a ban.
Q: What happens if I play on Xbox Live with LT+? Will I get banned?
A: LT+ is designed to protect you, HOWEVER there is always a chance of getting banned. Microsoft may find a way to see that youre playing backup games on your 360, but LT+ is solid and no one has been banned since the original LT firmware.
Q: How can I patch and burn my AP25 games ?
A: Simply use ABGX360 v1.05 to patch your ISO then burn with IMGBURN. Simple.
Q: How do I know if a game has AP25?
A: ABGX 1.05 will tell you There is one game that does not show as having AP25 and that is Fable III - but it DOES have it so must be patched.
Q: I have a different country version of a region free but the AP25 patch won't work.
A: You have to use the same release as the patch is made for - this is why the group name is attached to the game. The XEX CRC's need to match. if it is region free it will work for you so just get that release. If you have a game like Fable III Spanish version then a separate AP25 patch is required and you would have to wait and see if that was ever released. At time of writing there is no public method on creating your own AP25 data for patches.
Q: People are telling me to use PPF-O-Matic v3 to patch games. Why aren't you?
A: That was the first method released. ABGX360 1.04 now does it all for you if there is a patch available for your release. It does not do any harm to use PPF-O-MATIC method first - in fact it is a good way to check in ABGX if you have patched correctly.
Q: Can I patch an AP25 game to work on NON-LT+ fw?
A: No. Do not ever put an AP25 backup game in a DVD drive UNLESS it has LT+ flashed to the DVD.
Q: I have seen a 3rd party patch for the LT+ from a guy called Maximus that enables the drive key to be read on 83850v2 and 93450 without having to do the MRA hack again - is this OK to use ?
A: No - even though this patch works, it is garbage. There is a reason that particular patch was removed by C4E - it CAN be detected. It's C4E's firmware, you rely on what he says - not other people. ANY modified LT+ firmware will never be supported and can never be trusted. At the end of the day, if you flashed your drive you should save your drive key. If you didn't save it then that's your fault.
Q: I have a Hitachi 79 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51, and I have not accepted the new dashboard from XBox Live. If I accept the new dashboard, can I play AP2.5 retail titles on the drive without fear of a ban?
A: It is not recommended. You should update to LT+ for the Hitachi 78 / 79 drives
Q: I have a Hitachi 79 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51, and I have not accepted the new dashboard from XBox Live. If I accept the new dashboard, can I continue to play non-AP2.5 backup games on my XBox without being flagged for a ban? I never play online with backups, nor do I even connect to Ethernet with a backup in my drive.
A: You will probably be fine playing non-AP25 backup titles (as always there is no 100% guarantee, but I think you should be OK, but there is an LT+ firmware for Hitachi 78 / 79 so just use that) - however it makes absolutley no difference if you are connected to the net or not. The Xbox logs offline.
Q: LT v1.1 has "Improved PFI Support" - What does that mean ?
A: On Writable media (our backups), the pfi data contains media specific information such as Media Code/Manufacturer ID and Media Product Revision number. Any requests via the console for this information is now redirected to the the PFI sector now at $04FB1D (360) or $0605FD (Xbox1), if it exists. If data is not present (as found with v3 backup) a separate embedded PFI is used for Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 backups. In layman's terms, improving support for pfi means more compatible media such as Arita therefore it saves you a lot of money when buying discs.
Q: I CAN'T GET AP25 GAMES TO BOOT - JUST A BLACK SCREEN
A: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE CORRECT RELEASED ISO TO PATCH. IF YOU ARE IN SPANISH OR ITALIAN REGION TRYING TO PLAY A LOCAL FABLE 3 OR ACB RELEASE IT WONT WORK!! YOU NEED TO USE THE EXACT RELEASE OF ISO WITH MATCHING XEX CRC'S - GET THAT FIRST AND THEN TEST !!!!
More Drive / Firmware Helpful Info:
If you want to play on XBL and you want to use AP25 games it is VERY SIMPLE !!!!
Your ORIGINAL system drive for LT+ has to be a Benq or a Liteon.
!!!!!! YOU CANNOT SPOOF LT+ TO ANY DIFFERENT DRIVE VERSIONS !!!!!! IT CAN BE DETECTED ON THE NEW DASH !!!!!!
If you have a Liteon original system - then you use a Liteon drive and flash it with Liteon LT+ and your original drive key (AP25 games must be patched)
If you have a Benq original system - then you use a Benq drive and flash it with Liteon LT+ and your original drive key (AP25 games must be patched)
If your original system is ORIGINALLY Samsung (not a refurb returned as a Samsung) then just use a Samsung drive flashed with LT v1.0. You can use the latest dashboard and you dont have to patch your AP25 games as the drive does not have AP25 built in.
If your original system is a Hitachi 46, 47, 58 or 59 then just use a Hitachi 46, 47, 58 or 59 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51. You can use the latest dashboard and you don't have to patch your AP25 games as the drive does not have AP25 built in (It doesn't matter if the game is patched it will still work)
Note: I have personally used an Hitachi 58 and tested with iXtreme 1.51 and AP25 games. I have been on XBL and XVAL is clear - so I know it works BUT can't guarantee if it will be banned or not in the future. It definitely works right now.
For other Hitachi versions there is an LT+ in the works.
This is very simple and if you get confused by this - then you need to give up. Right now
Authors Notes:
When I talk about ABGX360, its version 1.05. I dont take into consideration any of the previous versions. The latest version makes everything easier. If you have a question about previous versions, dont ask me.
If I mention Team-Xecuter, I mean everyone that has a part in helping make firmware, software, hardware, etc This includes the people at JungleFlasher as well as C4Eva and anyone else I dont know about.
Do you have something to add? Message me and I will try to add/change it as soon as possible. Mods edit and update this as often as you like.
Note: credits go to Team-xecuter And me for updating it more!
If I got anything wrong, please let me know. Im a human and I make mistakes.
Q: What which version of the 360 does the LT+ flash work on?
A: Xbox 360 FAT(original)
Q: Which drives does the LT+ flash work on?
A: Benq, Liteon (74850, 84850 v1 & v2, 94850) (Note: LT Plus for Hitachi 78 and 79 is being released)
Q: What about the Xbox 360 Slim?
A: That is being worked on. 9504 will be first and 0225 second. There is no ETA so DO NOT ASK !
Q: What about the Hitachi or Samsung drive?
A: Maybe - There is no AP25 on older Hitachi Drives (46/47/58/59) but there may is AP25 checks on the newer Hitachi drives (78/79) - There is an LT+ firmware being released for those drives. Samsung is reported not to have AP25 BUT some users have had issues booting AP25 games (we have found that some consoles have been repaired / refurbed with a Samsung drive by MS Official repair centers when the console was originally a Liteon - this could be causing issues - to those guys we suggest trying a Liteon drive - it may solve your problems - do this at your own risk we are simply giving the best advice possible) - so LT+ for these drives may be looked at after the Slim is done.
Q: Can I spoof a Benq or Liteon to be Hitachi or Samsung?
A: Yes. But spoofing can be detected by XBL. If you are banned or not using or don't care about Live then yes you can spoof.
Q: Can I spoof a Benq or Liteon to a 360 Slim if I have the Slim's DVD Key ?
A: Yes. But spoofing can be detected by XBL. If you are banned or not using or don't care about Live then yes you can spoof.
Q: Why do I need LT+?
A: AP25 does not let you play certain backup games without updating your 360 to the latest dashboard(12611). This new dashboard can then use AP25 to perform a number of new checks which stops AP25 games from booting and will flag your Xbox 360 for a ban on the next ban wave. If you update your dashboard and flash LT+ you can then use patched AP25 games and boot no problems and use XBL with no ban flag.
Q: Do I update straight to LT+ or do I need to change my fw version first?
A: You can update to LT+ straight away from any firmware version.
Q: Do I need to update to LT+ before updating to the new Dashboard ?
A: No, you can update to the new dashboard at anytime - just don't put a backup of an AP25 game unless you have LT+ firmware flashed to your drive as you will be flagged for a ban.
Q: What happens if I play on Xbox Live with LT+? Will I get banned?
A: LT+ is designed to protect you, HOWEVER there is always a chance of getting banned. Microsoft may find a way to see that youre playing backup games on your 360, but LT+ is solid and no one has been banned since the original LT firmware.
Q: How can I patch and burn my AP25 games ?
A: Simply use ABGX360 v1.05 to patch your ISO then burn with IMGBURN. Simple.
Q: How do I know if a game has AP25?
A: ABGX 1.05 will tell you There is one game that does not show as having AP25 and that is Fable III - but it DOES have it so must be patched.
Q: I have a different country version of a region free but the AP25 patch won't work.
A: You have to use the same release as the patch is made for - this is why the group name is attached to the game. The XEX CRC's need to match. if it is region free it will work for you so just get that release. If you have a game like Fable III Spanish version then a separate AP25 patch is required and you would have to wait and see if that was ever released. At time of writing there is no public method on creating your own AP25 data for patches.
Q: People are telling me to use PPF-O-Matic v3 to patch games. Why aren't you?
A: That was the first method released. ABGX360 1.04 now does it all for you if there is a patch available for your release. It does not do any harm to use PPF-O-MATIC method first - in fact it is a good way to check in ABGX if you have patched correctly.
Q: Can I patch an AP25 game to work on NON-LT+ fw?
A: No. Do not ever put an AP25 backup game in a DVD drive UNLESS it has LT+ flashed to the DVD.
Q: I have seen a 3rd party patch for the LT+ from a guy called Maximus that enables the drive key to be read on 83850v2 and 93450 without having to do the MRA hack again - is this OK to use ?
A: No - even though this patch works, it is garbage. There is a reason that particular patch was removed by C4E - it CAN be detected. It's C4E's firmware, you rely on what he says - not other people. ANY modified LT+ firmware will never be supported and can never be trusted. At the end of the day, if you flashed your drive you should save your drive key. If you didn't save it then that's your fault.
Q: I have a Hitachi 79 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51, and I have not accepted the new dashboard from XBox Live. If I accept the new dashboard, can I play AP2.5 retail titles on the drive without fear of a ban?
A: It is not recommended. You should update to LT+ for the Hitachi 78 / 79 drives
Q: I have a Hitachi 79 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51, and I have not accepted the new dashboard from XBox Live. If I accept the new dashboard, can I continue to play non-AP2.5 backup games on my XBox without being flagged for a ban? I never play online with backups, nor do I even connect to Ethernet with a backup in my drive.
A: You will probably be fine playing non-AP25 backup titles (as always there is no 100% guarantee, but I think you should be OK, but there is an LT+ firmware for Hitachi 78 / 79 so just use that) - however it makes absolutley no difference if you are connected to the net or not. The Xbox logs offline.
Q: LT v1.1 has "Improved PFI Support" - What does that mean ?
A: On Writable media (our backups), the pfi data contains media specific information such as Media Code/Manufacturer ID and Media Product Revision number. Any requests via the console for this information is now redirected to the the PFI sector now at $04FB1D (360) or $0605FD (Xbox1), if it exists. If data is not present (as found with v3 backup) a separate embedded PFI is used for Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 backups. In layman's terms, improving support for pfi means more compatible media such as Arita therefore it saves you a lot of money when buying discs.
Q: I CAN'T GET AP25 GAMES TO BOOT - JUST A BLACK SCREEN
A: YOU DO NOT HAVE THE CORRECT RELEASED ISO TO PATCH. IF YOU ARE IN SPANISH OR ITALIAN REGION TRYING TO PLAY A LOCAL FABLE 3 OR ACB RELEASE IT WONT WORK!! YOU NEED TO USE THE EXACT RELEASE OF ISO WITH MATCHING XEX CRC'S - GET THAT FIRST AND THEN TEST !!!!
More Drive / Firmware Helpful Info:
If you want to play on XBL and you want to use AP25 games it is VERY SIMPLE !!!!
Your ORIGINAL system drive for LT+ has to be a Benq or a Liteon.
!!!!!! YOU CANNOT SPOOF LT+ TO ANY DIFFERENT DRIVE VERSIONS !!!!!! IT CAN BE DETECTED ON THE NEW DASH !!!!!!
If you have a Liteon original system - then you use a Liteon drive and flash it with Liteon LT+ and your original drive key (AP25 games must be patched)
If you have a Benq original system - then you use a Benq drive and flash it with Liteon LT+ and your original drive key (AP25 games must be patched)
If your original system is ORIGINALLY Samsung (not a refurb returned as a Samsung) then just use a Samsung drive flashed with LT v1.0. You can use the latest dashboard and you dont have to patch your AP25 games as the drive does not have AP25 built in.
If your original system is a Hitachi 46, 47, 58 or 59 then just use a Hitachi 46, 47, 58 or 59 drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51. You can use the latest dashboard and you don't have to patch your AP25 games as the drive does not have AP25 built in (It doesn't matter if the game is patched it will still work)
Note: I have personally used an Hitachi 58 and tested with iXtreme 1.51 and AP25 games. I have been on XBL and XVAL is clear - so I know it works BUT can't guarantee if it will be banned or not in the future. It definitely works right now.
For other Hitachi versions there is an LT+ in the works.
This is very simple and if you get confused by this - then you need to give up. Right now
Authors Notes:
When I talk about ABGX360, its version 1.05. I dont take into consideration any of the previous versions. The latest version makes everything easier. If you have a question about previous versions, dont ask me.
If I mention Team-Xecuter, I mean everyone that has a part in helping make firmware, software, hardware, etc This includes the people at JungleFlasher as well as C4Eva and anyone else I dont know about.
Do you have something to add? Message me and I will try to add/change it as soon as possible. Mods edit and update this as often as you like.
Note: credits go to Team-xecuter And me for updating it more!
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dude this is a great post and has lots of good info this should get stuck
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I have Flashed slim ;)okay i HAD till i sold it to a friend cuz i dont like slim
Slim has liteon drive and i have flashed it with the Lt+
Slim has liteon drive and i have flashed it with the Lt+
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KSIxSP33D wrote I have Flashed slim ;)okay i HAD till i sold it to a friend cuz i dont like slim
Slim has liteon drive and i have flashed it with the Lt+
thats impossible, slim firmware hasent been released yet. The slim drives are different.
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great post man. well detailed and organized... this will be very helpful
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XxDTKxxZoMBxX wrote great post man. well detailed and organized... this will be very helpful
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