this is pretty common as of 2017, "cough" Brock "Cough"

sorry for the loss but you are correct the law system is

Have you seen the guy since?He should have been given life in prison soldier or not.If I seen that guy on the street after he killed my dad for no reason theres no telling what I would do.Sorry about your dad mate.

I feel for you bro and I completely agree. The justice system is a big joke.

All you need to know is karma is a bitch and it WILL come back around.
My condolences, couldn't imagine what it would be like.

I know how **** the system is that's why people prefer street justice also HMU on Skype I'll get your mind off it with some dumb shit per usual

He didn't get 'special treatment.'

Most of these kinds of deaths result in prison sentences ranging from 2-7 years depending on whether or not alcohol was involved and intent.
Leon didn't intend to kill anyone and he was drunk.

Intent matters because it tells us what a person is likely to do in the future which is why pre-meditated murder charges a longer sentence than manslaughter.

Prison is about rehabilitation as much as it is about punishment. Logically I don't know how you can punish someone for a drunken accident.
All you can do is rehabilitate them, and if that takes 3 years or 1 and a half years then there is no point in keeping him in prison for any longer.

Obviously this is not something that you want to hear because you are personally involved, and if I were personally involved in the way that you are I would want to kill him with my own hands, but I would happily go to prison and serve my sentence for that because society has to be better on issues like this than the emotionally involved individual can be.

It's wrong to describe these types of sentences as 'fair' because like the recorder said, "No sentence I can pass can do anything to reduce the feeling of loss and anger which Im sure are felt by those whom you have taken a loving family member and friend. Nothing I can do can ease the pain you caused."

It's not 'fair', it's far from fair, but it does make sense.

MrWednesday wrote He didn't get 'special treatment.'

Most of these kinds of deaths result in prison sentences ranging from 2-7 years depending on whether or not alcohol was involved and intent.
Leon didn't intend to kill anyone and he was drunk.

Intent matters because it tells us what a person is likely to do in the future which is why pre-meditated murder charges a longer sentence than manslaughter.

Prison is about rehabilitation as much as it is about punishment. Logically I don't know how you can punish someone for a drunken accident.
All you can do is rehabilitate them, and if that takes 3 years or 1 and a half years then there is no point in keeping him in prison for any longer.

Obviously this is not something that you want to hear because you are personally involved, and if I were personally involved in the way that you are I would want to kill him with my own hands, but I would happily go to prison and serve my sentence for that because society has to be better on issues like this than the emotionally involved individual can be.

It's wrong to describe these types of sentences as 'fair' because like the recorder said, "No sentence I can pass can do anything to reduce the feeling of loss and anger which Im sure are felt by those whom you have taken a loving family member and friend. Nothing I can do can ease the pain you caused."

It's not 'fair', it's far from fair, but it does make sense.

Completely agree prison is just as much punishment as is rehabilitation. But 1.5 years for killing someone, drunk or not is ridiculous. Probably me being black and white but what you said about not " knowing how you could punish someone for a drunken accident" is stupid. At the end of the day the guy killed someone, mistake or not he deserves a lot longer that what he got.

MrWednesday wrote He didn't get 'special treatment.'

Most of these kinds of deaths result in prison sentences ranging from 2-7 years depending on whether or not alcohol was involved and intent.
Leon didn't intend to kill anyone and he was drunk.

Intent matters because it tells us what a person is likely to do in the future which is why pre-meditated murder charges a longer sentence than manslaughter.

Prison is about rehabilitation as much as it is about punishment. Logically I don't know how you can punish someone for a drunken accident.
All you can do is rehabilitate them, and if that takes 3 years or 1 and a half years then there is no point in keeping him in prison for any longer.

Obviously this is not something that you want to hear because you are personally involved, and if I were personally involved in the way that you are I would want to kill him with my own hands, but I would happily go to prison and serve my sentence for that because society has to be better on issues like this than the emotionally involved individual can be.

It's wrong to describe these types of sentences as 'fair' because like the recorder said, "No sentence I can pass can do anything to reduce the feeling of loss and anger which Im sure are felt by those whom you have taken a loving family member and friend. Nothing I can do can ease the pain you caused."

It's not 'fair', it's far from fair, but it does make sense.

Drunk or not, he took a mans life. Took that life from a family. He deserves to rot in prison for life. If you go out and get that drunk and start punching people you either don't need to be drinking, or moderate your damn self. He deserves nothing more but his freedom taken.

And yes the system is very corrupt. Get out of murder for being good but get life and stay locked up for marijuana or other petty shi.

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He didn't get 'special treatment.'

Most of these kinds of deaths result in prison sentences ranging from 2-7 years depending on whether or not alcohol was involved and intent.
Leon didn't intend to kill anyone and he was drunk.

Intent matters because it tells us what a person is likely to do in the future which is why pre-meditated murder charges a longer sentence than manslaughter.

Prison is about rehabilitation as much as it is about punishment. Logically I don't know how you can punish someone for a drunken accident.
All you can do is rehabilitate them, and if that takes 3 years or 1 and a half years then there is no point in keeping him in prison for any longer.

Obviously this is not something that you want to hear because you are personally involved, and if I were personally involved in the way that you are I would want to kill him with my own hands, but I would happily go to prison and serve my sentence for that because society has to be better on issues like this than the emotionally involved individual can be.

It's wrong to describe these types of sentences as 'fair' because like the recorder said, "No sentence I can pass can do anything to reduce the feeling of loss and anger which Im sure are felt by those whom you have taken a loving family member and friend. Nothing I can do can ease the pain you caused."

It's not 'fair', it's far from fair, but it does make sense.

Completely agree prison is just as much punishment as is rehabilitation. But 1.5 years for killing someone, drunk or not is ridiculous. Probably me being black and white but what you said about not " knowing how you could punish someone for a drunken accident" is stupid. At the end of the day the guy killed someone, mistake or not he deserves a lot longer that what he got.

Thrill wrote Drunk or not, he took a mans life. Took that life from a family. He deserves to rot in prison for life. If you go out and get that drunk and start punching people you either don't need to be drinking, or moderate your damn self. He deserves nothing more but his freedom taken.

This is what I mean when I'm talking about intent. You say, "At the end of the day the guy killed someone." But that's not the end of the day for me. The end of the day for me is, "Why did he kill someone?" and if it was an accident then really I think the penalty should be what it is for assault. Manslaughter is a charge which has never made much sense to me when it comes to these one punch killings.

For example, why does this person who killed someone by accident with one punch deserves 3 years or life, but someone who doesn't kill someone with 20 punches only deserves 6 months?

Which of these people is going to be more difficult to rehabilitate? Which of these people deserves more punishment?
I think the answer is quite obviously the latter person, but because a death occurred and familial emotion is involved the former is treated more harshly.
To me that is the justice system being unfair.

And yes the system is very corrupt. Get out of murder for being good but get life and stay locked up for marijuana or other petty shi.

I'm not saying that the justice system is never unfair, I'm only talking about this specific case.

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He didn't get 'special treatment.'

Most of these kinds of deaths result in prison sentences ranging from 2-7 years depending on whether or not alcohol was involved and intent.
Leon didn't intend to kill anyone and he was drunk.

Intent matters because it tells us what a person is likely to do in the future which is why pre-meditated murder charges a longer sentence than manslaughter.

Prison is about rehabilitation as much as it is about punishment. Logically I don't know how you can punish someone for a drunken accident.
All you can do is rehabilitate them, and if that takes 3 years or 1 and a half years then there is no point in keeping him in prison for any longer.

Obviously this is not something that you want to hear because you are personally involved, and if I were personally involved in the way that you are I would want to kill him with my own hands, but I would happily go to prison and serve my sentence for that because society has to be better on issues like this than the emotionally involved individual can be.

It's wrong to describe these types of sentences as 'fair' because like the recorder said, "No sentence I can pass can do anything to reduce the feeling of loss and anger which Im sure are felt by those whom you have taken a loving family member and friend. Nothing I can do can ease the pain you caused."

It's not 'fair', it's far from fair, but it does make sense.

Completely agree prison is just as much punishment as is rehabilitation. But 1.5 years for killing someone, drunk or not is ridiculous. Probably me being black and white but what you said about not " knowing how you could punish someone for a drunken accident" is stupid. At the end of the day the guy killed someone, mistake or not he deserves a lot longer that what he got.

Thrill wrote Drunk or not, he took a mans life. Took that life from a family. He deserves to rot in prison for life. If you go out and get that drunk and start punching people you either don't need to be drinking, or moderate your damn self. He deserves nothing more but his freedom taken.

This is what I mean when I'm talking about intent. You say, "At the end of the day the guy killed someone." But that's not the end of the day for me. The end of the day for me is, "Why did he kill someone?" and if it was an accident then really I think the penalty should be what it is for assault. Manslaughter is a charge which has never made much sense to me when it comes to these one punch killings.

For example, why does this person who killed someone by accident with one punch deserves 3 years or life, but someone who doesn't kill someone with 20 punches only deserves 6 months?

Which of these people is going to be more difficult to rehabilitate? Which of these people deserves more punishment?
I think the answer is quite obviously the latter person, but because a death occurred and familial emotion is involved the former is treated more harshly.
To me that is the justice system being unfair.

And yes the system is very corrupt. Get out of murder for being good but get life and stay locked up for marijuana or other petty shi.

I'm not saying that the justice system is never unfair, I'm only talking about this specific case.

Well he was taunting people in the pub so he was looking for trouble he clearly meant to do something either attack or kill someone.At the end of the day that ex soldier destroyed a family.A parent lost a son,a son lost a father,a wife lost a husband.They will never get him back because of his actions.Yeah the soldiers gonna have to live with the consequences of killing him but I think he should have gotten life in prison imo.