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Recently, at a high school in my school district, the Downingtown STEM Academy, students from Conestoga High school, a nearby high school, who were preaching Christianity and protesting abortion outside the school were aggressively confronted by the assistant principle of STEM for doing so, Dr. Ruff. The assistant principle is currently on administrative leave/suspended for his actions, and only time will tell what the charges, if any, brought against him will be. He is seen violating school code of conduct in various ways. Keep in mind that the school, which they attend and are outside of, is a selective science-based public school, so it is obvious why so many students complained about the protest to the assistant principle, causing him to confront the students participating in it. Apparently posters the anti-abortionists were using were graphic and disturbed many students.
Here is a picture of the posters. Warning: view at your advisory. Pictures may be disturbing.

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There is controversy over whether it was moral for them to be protesting in the location they did:
"Leave these innocent high schoolers alone and get a life. My sister goes here and said there were inappropriate and graphic posters making everyone there feel uncomfortable. This isn't the place for that, they are merely high schoolers trying to get an education." -Chandler Scott, youtube comment


Many students are very supportive of Dr. Ruff:
"I would just like to show my appreciation for our assistant principal Dr. Ruff. Throughout his career, he encouraged students to be themselves and continuously supported STEM's student body. He told me that he wouldn't trade the world for us, his students, when I was expressing how thankful I was that he is open about his identity and struggles. When I got my first Saturday detention, he told me that everyone has made mistakes and sometimes the mistakes come with punishment. He was able to console my anxiety in this time and assure me it was normal for mistakes to be made so that we could learn from them. He has become such an important part in STEM's environment. Without his presence I'm concerned for the future of our school." -anonymous, youtube comment


However, many people are supportive of the anti-abortionists:
"No permission was needed. [to record/protest] We are on a public sidewalk. Great job Kids!! Exposure of the Holocaust of our nation needs to continue!!I am sadden that people are allowed to be around children like this man is. Well that's public school for you. I am glad he was put on Administrative Leave". -Holly Crain, youtube comment


I have attached the petition below which you can sign if do not want Dr. Ruff to be fired and/or to face charges:
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Watch the video and voice your opinion below.


MAJOR UPDATE: THE KIDS WERE ON FOX NEWS BEING INTERVIEWED BY TUCKER CARLSON


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This took a good 30-40 minutes to type, so please read it.

I am going to break down the video.

[00:00] The protesters are not doing anything wrong. They are on a public side walk holding some signs.

[00:36] The principal approaches the protesters. He tells them that they either need to leave or he will call the police. He has aBSolutely no reason to do this. The protesters are on public property and were not bothering anyone.

[00:50] He does not get his way, and begins to throw a fit. He decides that instead of calling the police like he threatened to do, he would just stand there and try to block the protesters.

[01:00] He denies that there is a holocaust happening in America(abortions). Then he goes on and says that there is a holocaust in America(poor and underprivileged). And he makes many contradiction's through out this video.

[01:14] He begins to get angry and tells the protesters to go to hell where the dead babies are. And this kinda contradicts what he is trying to argue against. He thinks that abortions are not killing babies, and then goes on to say that the protesters can go to hell with the abortions.

[01:23] He has the nerve to tell someone to not record him. If he was in his house, then he has the right to do that. But he is on public property. If someone wants to record him, then they can do that.

[01:37] He said he wants to protect his students from seeing the graphic images. And I can understand this. But then again, there are a lot worse things to be seen. And I think this was just an excuse.

[01:41] He said that none of his students have gotten pregnant. That is great, but it has nothing to do with what the protesters are protesting about. He then accuses them of calling him a liar... I never heard that word come from their mouths.

[01:53] He once again accuses them of harassment. I find this very hard to believe. The protesters were standing on the side walks holding signs, not bothering anyone. If anyone was being harassed, it was the protesters.

[01:58] He makes the argument that the abortions are just killing cells, and not babies.

[02:18] Through out this video he accuses the protesters of harassing him and his students, and then threatens to call the police. So I will not make anymore comments about it.

[02:33] He thinks that there is nothing wrong with them protesting death penalties, but hates that they are protesting abortions. If you have not realized yet, this argument is becoming more of about his opinions rather than about the abortions.

[02:46] He states that he is gay and does not give a f*** about Jesus. This is completely okay for him to say, except he is working as a school employee, and is held to a higher standard. When he is at work, he should act professional, not like a two year old who is not getting their way.

[03:22] The protesters begin to preach. And the principal tells them that he believes in science, not believes. LOL. Now he tells the protester and TRUMP of all people to go to hell. Trump has nothing to do with the conversation, and he brings him into it. Once again, he is letting his opinions get in the way of his arguments.

[03:46] The protesters state that the only people who go to hell are the people who do not believe in Jesus. He states that he does not believe in hell, even though that is the opposite of what he stated earlier in the video.

[03:52] He tells the protesters to shut up and leave him and his "children" alone, even though his "children" are more than old enough to make their own decisions.

[04:06] He states that he is the assistant principal. Because of him being the assistant principal, he tells them that they need to shut up again and not talk to the students.

[04:23] At this point, I am getting kinda angry. He is making up BS excuses and is not even making sense anymore. The protesters state that they are not breaking any laws. So he tells them to not talk to the students if they are not breaking any laws.

[05:10] He states that the "children" have nothing to do with the protesters "twisted and perverted agenda".

[05:20] I just had to quote this one "Just like a**holes, everybody has one, and they all stink".

[05:28] He is so angry that he begins to physically assault them.

[05:45] He does not believe that they are on public property.

[06:10] ***A great citizen comes and confronts the principal. The principal wants to act like a tough guy to the protesters, but when someone comes and confronts him, he acts like a p****. He states that the reason he is mad is that the protesters were yelling at his students Even though at the beginning of the video, they look like they are minding their own business.

[06:50] This a** hat begins to sing. He claims that the protesters were yelling at his students, and he wants them to stop. So why does he get to yell at his students?

[07:27] He states that public schools do not believe in Christianity.

[13:24] He tries to change the subject again.

[16:25] A student stops to talk to the protesters, and the principal disappears.

Here is how I view the situation. The protesters were not doing anything wrong, and the principal was being a prick. The protesters could have picked a better location, but I am sure they picked this spot for a reason.

If they were doing something wrong, then the principal should have called the cops like he said he would. He had no reason to come and harass the protesters. He just let his political views get in the way of his judgment.

I have heard that the images on the posters, were graphic. So I am sure the principal thought he was protecting the students. But really, he was sheltering them from the real world.
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Continuous wrote

Here is how I view the situation. The protesters were not doing anything wrong, and the principal was being a prick. The protesters could have picked a better location, but I am sure they picked this spot for a reason.

If they were doing something wrong, then the principal should have called the cops like he said he would. He had no reason to come and harass the protesters. He just let his political views get in the way of his judgment.

I have heard that the images on the posters, were graphic. So I am sure the principal thought he was protecting the students.
But really, he was sheltering them from the real world.


I highly appreciate you contributing your thoughts on this video. The break down is slightly bias, but I can tell you really took time to analyze. I strongly agree with what I underlined from the conclusion you came to. Thanks again for your participation in this topic! Will +rep.
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principal was an ass and he didn't need to harass anyone like that. was not very professional
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MikeStaysWoke wrote I highly appreciate you contributing your thoughts on this video. The break down is slightly bias, but I can tell you really took time to analyze. I strongly agree with what I underlined from the conclusion you came to. Thanks again for your participation in this topic! Will +rep.


Thanks.

I would say that I was a little more than slightly bias. But most things are biased.
It was not supposed to be unbiased. It was how I viewed the situation.
The guy was being completely unprofessional and honestly a prick. Im surprised that the protesters took it like they did. I am not trying to act like the tough guy or the keyboard warrior. But if someone comes and assaults me, then we have going to have a little bit more than just a argument. And I know that it was not like he went up and punched the guy. But lets put it this way... If you go up and do what he did to a police officer, then your most likely going to be in handcuffs and charged with assault.

But thanks again for the rep. I tried to be as thorough as I could be, but most of what he said was either "Or I am going to call the police" or him "singing".
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Kisses wrote principal was an ass and he didn't need to harass anyone like that. was not very professional


He did't handle the situation well at all. I think he should have called the police and let them deal with it. His temper got the hold of him. Although in my opinion it is people's right to protest, the protest could have possibly been executed better. People are saying that the posters the students were showing were very graphic and disturbing, and many students didn't want to see it. Many people also claim that they were made uncomfortable. I will attach a picture of the student's posters above. waring its pretty graphic.
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Thanks.

I would say that I was a little more than slightly bias. But most things are biased.
It was not supposed to be unbiased. It was how I viewed the situation.
The guy was being completely unprofessional and honestly a prick. Im surprised that the protesters took it like they did. I am not trying to act like the tough guy or the keyboard warrior. But if someone comes and assaults me, then we have going to have a little bit more than just a argument. And I know that it was not like he went up and punched the guy. But lets put it this way... If you go up and do what he did to a police officer, then your most likely going to be in handcuffs and charged with assault.

But thanks again for the rep. I tried to be as thorough as I could be, but most of what he said was either "Or I am going to call the police" or him "singing".


Yeah I see your POV. Thanks again man.
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I cant help but sit on the fence in regards to this video.

The way the principle conducted himself was very unprofessional. He should've called the Police and let them deal with it. Yes, he acted like a bit of a **** and Id agree with that.

However, the protesters in my opinion were wrong to then start preaching religion saying "You need to turn to Jesus Christ". I felt that to be wrong, as in he is dictating to the principle that he needs to find Jesus. He openly admits he is gay and that he doesn't care what Jesus says "he should and should not be doing". At this point, he turns his back and tells people to have a good day.

At this point, the protester just further antagonises him in saying "Jesus can set you free from your sins". Again, the protester just seems to be provoking him. Id be pissed to if someone was preaching religion at me like that.

The protester says "Its not fiction, its truth", again that is a matter of opinion and belief, but he is wrong to say that.

The principle asks them to "Leave him alone". But the douche with the camera keeps trying to antagonise him.
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Saiko wrote I cant help but sit on the fence in regards to this video.

The way the principle conducted himself was very unprofessional. He should've called the Police and let them deal with it. Yes, he acted like a bit of a **** and Id agree with that.

However, the protesters in my opinion were wrong to then start preaching religion saying "You need to turn to Jesus Christ". I felt that to be wrong, as in he is dictating to the principle that he needs to find Jesus. He openly admits he is gay and that he doesn't care what Jesus says "he should and should not be doing". At this point, he turns his back and tells people to have a good day.

At this point, the protester just further antagonises him in saying "Jesus can set you free from your sins". Again, the protester just seems to be provoking him. Id be pissed to if someone was preaching religion at me like that.

The protester says "Its not fiction, its truth", again that is a matter of opinion and belief, but he is wrong to say that.

The principle asks them to "Leave him alone". But the douche with the camera keeps trying to antagonise him.


I also sort of sit on the fence in regards to this whole controversy.
You bring up a couple of points that are becoming pretty popular such as the assistance principle should have called a police and not handled it himself, and that the students were wrong to be forcing their religious views onto people.
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I think that something needs to be pointed out on this topic.

These aren't professional debaters.

Humans are generally better at writing what they want to say as opposed to verbally espousing a position.
We, as the audience, should recognize this and view these people in a charitable light.
This isn't them at their intellectual best, it's not them at their calmest and most reasonable.

We also need to be aware that they are going to be using words and phrases which shouldn't be taken literally.
For example, the Asst. Principal using the word "Hell" and phrases like "Go to Hell." He states that he doesn't believe in Hell, so it's obvious that he is using this phrase to mean "Get lost."
It's not the smartest choice of words to use when debating Christians, but like I said, this isn't him or them at their intellectual best.

In conversations like this, people say things and then think of better points which might contradict what they just said.
This is how thoughts work. We update our beliefs as we consider them more in our own minds.

When we are writing we delete what we just wrote and replace it with no issues. We can't do this when we speak, it's up to the audience to recognize when this has happened if it isn't pointed out in a "Sorry, what I mean is..." kind of way, which it won't be here because the guy isn't thinking straight.

Overall, I think the Asst. Principal was right on the substance of the encounter, but wrong in how he acted, and wrong in his judgement of how legal their protest was. I'm not educated in US laws regarding that kind of thing, but I'm guessing that they were allowed to protest there, and if they weren't then I would be more angry with the laws than them.

What I find more annoying is that these protesters film themselves doing this kind of stuff and making their amazing points as though they are professional debaters.
There are plenty of actual debates out there regarding abortion with far more learned people on the subject, both philosophically and biologically.

If the issue of abortion is judged by how an angry Asst. Principal reacts to a couple of teenagers holding inflammatory signs and the arguments they make then it's no wonder the general public gets a skewed view of it.

With that being said though, I do want to provide a quick refutation to the abortion protesters point.
They invoke Jesus and the Bible a lot and call abortions murder, so I think it would be interesting to look at abortion in the Bible.

Here's a short passage of instructions for what a Priest is to do with a wife who is suspected of being unfaithful:

The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries. - Numbers 5:16 - 22


"May the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry."

Abortion is a forced miscarriage, which is exactly what is being described here.

Numbers is Old Testament. Here is what Jesus said about the Old Testament, "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished." [Matthew 5:18]

So when these protesters say, "Jesus Christ can set us free from our sins, if we turn to him and repent of our sins and trust in his name."
I don't know what sins they are talking about because according to the Bible and Jesus, killing 'babies' is absolutely fine.


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