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MagnaFlow wrote The only thing I disagree with is the 8gb of ram. Its not enough if you plan on haivng things like chrome, discord, and some other small things in the background while you game. Spend the extra $30 and get 16gb. Beleive me.

That's just not true. 8GB is still plenty fine. Who said OP was going to use Chrome, Discord, and several other programs while also gaming? Also, I suggested 16GB RAM anyway.

Im just saying, once he gets into gaming he will be using external programs as well as his game. 8gb Is NOT enough for modern titles with things in the background. Besides. Its an extra $30. Why wouldnt you?

MagnaFlow wrote Im just saying, once he gets into gaming he will be using external programs as well as his game. 8gb Is NOT enough for modern titles with things in the background. Besides. Its an extra $30. Why wouldnt you?

No he won't. What are you talking about. What does "getting in to gaming" have to do with "external programs"? If he's got one monitor and he has any applications running while he's gaming, he's doing it wrong. If you have a couple tabs open on a monitor beside a AAA title, 8GB RAM will be fine. It's not like he'll be unable to do anything. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually seen my RAM usage go beyond 8GB outside of heavy editing/rendering. YES, 16GB is beneficial in not only editing systems these days, however, 8GB is still fine. Again, as I said, I recommended 16GB RAM anyway. I also offered OP an alternative since he specified that he was pretty dead set on getting an HDD within budget, and if he has to sacrifice somewhere, it makes sense to drop 8GB RAM, and he can add a 2nd 8GB DIMM in the future. You know, instead of actually sacrificing quality in some areas. Also, it isn't a $30 premium for 16GB RAM over an 8GB kit.

Discord has never taken much usage away from my RAM if any. And i'm with 13 why would he have so many programs open if he only has one monitor.

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MagnaFlow wrote Im just saying, once he gets into gaming he will be using external programs as well as his game. 8gb Is NOT enough for modern titles with things in the background. Besides. Its an extra $30. Why wouldnt you?

No he won't. What are you talking about. What does "getting in to gaming" have to do with "external programs"? If he's got one monitor and he has any applications running while he's gaming, he's doing it wrong. If you have a couple tabs open on a monitor beside a AAA title, 8GB RAM will be fine. It's not like he'll be unable to do anything. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually seen my RAM usage go beyond 8GB outside of heavy editing/rendering. YES, 16GB is beneficial in not only editing systems these days, however, 8GB is still fine. Again, as I said, I recommended 16GB RAM anyway. I also offered OP an alternative since he specified that he was pretty dead set on getting an HDD within budget, and if he has to sacrifice somewhere, it makes sense to drop 8GB RAM, and he can add a 2nd 8GB DIMM in the future. You know, instead of actually sacrificing quality in some areas. Also, it isn't a $30 premium for 16GB RAM over an 8GB kit.

Well actually ya, it is only an extra $30. You can buy a kit of 2x8gb sticks for $82 currently from multiple brands. I dont care how YOU use your memory, but I know for a fact that if you have discord/teamspeak open, chrome with 2-3 tabs, and a game like witcher open it will in fact use over 8gb. Youre that guy that wont agree with anyone arent ya?

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Theres proof right there. My goodness.

Zolfe wrote Discord has never taken much usage away from my RAM if any. And i'm with 13 why would he have so many programs open if he only has one monitor.

So you apparently cant listen to music through chrome while you game with only one monitor? Discord and teamspeak are just a factor to ram usage. Im not saying they use a gig. What I am saying is that it adds up. Its an extra $30. If you cant afford that wait a week then order it .

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MagnaFlow wrote Im just saying, once he gets into gaming he will be using external programs as well as his game. 8gb Is NOT enough for modern titles with things in the background. Besides. Its an extra $30. Why wouldnt you?

No he won't. What are you talking about. What does "getting in to gaming" have to do with "external programs"? If he's got one monitor and he has any applications running while he's gaming, he's doing it wrong. If you have a couple tabs open on a monitor beside a AAA title, 8GB RAM will be fine. It's not like he'll be unable to do anything. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually seen my RAM usage go beyond 8GB outside of heavy editing/rendering. YES, 16GB is beneficial in not only editing systems these days, however, 8GB is still fine. Again, as I said, I recommended 16GB RAM anyway. I also offered OP an alternative since he specified that he was pretty dead set on getting an HDD within budget, and if he has to sacrifice somewhere, it makes sense to drop 8GB RAM, and he can add a 2nd 8GB DIMM in the future. You know, instead of actually sacrificing quality in some areas. Also, it isn't a $30 premium for 16GB RAM over an 8GB kit.

Sacrificing quality? Really? Why the hell does he need a $100 PSU? The CPU and GPU are known for low power consumption. Regardless theres plenty of alternatives with the same wattage and a lower price.

MagnaFlow wrote

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MagnaFlow wrote Im just saying, once he gets into gaming he will be using external programs as well as his game. 8gb Is NOT enough for modern titles with things in the background. Besides. Its an extra $30. Why wouldnt you?

No he won't. What are you talking about. What does "getting in to gaming" have to do with "external programs"? If he's got one monitor and he has any applications running while he's gaming, he's doing it wrong. If you have a couple tabs open on a monitor beside a AAA title, 8GB RAM will be fine. It's not like he'll be unable to do anything. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually seen my RAM usage go beyond 8GB outside of heavy editing/rendering. YES, 16GB is beneficial in not only editing systems these days, however, 8GB is still fine. Again, as I said, I recommended 16GB RAM anyway. I also offered OP an alternative since he specified that he was pretty dead set on getting an HDD within budget, and if he has to sacrifice somewhere, it makes sense to drop 8GB RAM, and he can add a 2nd 8GB DIMM in the future. You know, instead of actually sacrificing quality in some areas. Also, it isn't a $30 premium for 16GB RAM over an 8GB kit.

Sacrificing quality? Really? Why the hell does he need a $100 PSU? The CPU and GPU are known for low power consumption. Regardless theres plenty of alternatives with the same wattage and a lower price.

I agree with you, if he can not afford it wait until he can.

MagnaFlow wrote Well actually ya, it is only an extra $30. You can buy a kit of 2x8gb sticks for $82 currently from multiple brands.

$82-$46= $36. That's not $30. It's still closer to $40 more. However, if we're going by cheapest prices, you CAN buy 8GB for less than $40.

MagnaFlow wrote I dont care how YOU use your memory, but I know for a fact that if you have discord/teamspeak open, chrome with 2-3 tabs, and a game like witcher open it will in fact use over 8gb.

That's great, WE don't care how YOU use your memory either. Whether you use it for discord, or 2-3 tabs. Also if you're implying that 2-3 tabs open in Chrome is going to be any sort of hinderance to gameplay, you know you're lying to yourself. Having 3 tabs open in the background of a game will do next to nothing. You're giving us reasons you prefer more than 8GB RAM as if it's dead set that OP is going to use his system exactly as you use yours, and then have the cheek to tell me that you don't care how I use my system? Hop off, Nancy.

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Theres proof right there. My goodness.

Proof of what? Are you delusional? All that proves is that The Witcher 3 doesn't even use more than 8GB RAM when you have 16GB. Also, of course avg and min FPS will go up slightly with twice as much RAM. I never disputed that 16GB RAM is better than 8GB, I disputed that it was necessary and that it costs $30 more, because both are false.

Also, let's do some maths. That Witcher 3 benchmark.
8GB RAM=85FPS
16GB RAM=90FPS
That's a 5.9% improvement for twice the price. Also, I barely paid attention to the video but does he mention RAM speed? Because I'm willing to bet you any amount of money with such a small difference in performance there, a faster 8GB DIMM will out-perform two slower 8GB DIMMs in Witcher 3.

For GTA V, it's pretty much the exact same story.

MagnaFlow wrote Sacrificing quality? Really? Why the hell does he need a $100 PSU? The CPU and GPU are known for low power consumption. Regardless theres plenty of alternatives with the same wattage and a lower price.

MagnaFlow wrote So you apparently cant listen to music through chrome while you game with only one monitor? Discord and teamspeak are just a factor to ram usage. Im not saying they use a gig. What I am saying is that it adds up. Its an extra $30. If you cant afford that wait a week then order it .

Who said he needs a $100 PSU? Do you not know what SLI support is? Show me a single 750W PSU that is the same, or even similar quality to what I suggested for anywhere near the same price. Go ahead.

You can listen to music and talk to your buddies on Discord all you want, I don't care because you're not OP. Also who listens to music while trying to play a game? That's just counter productive. On top of that, you're talking to friends on Discord and Teamspeak? Really? Yeah, RAM usage does add up, you're right. However, playing a AAA title and having a few tabs open in the background will still run perfectly fine with 8GB RAM, as I've said multiple times. Not quite sure what you don't understand.

Alright, well since you clearly aren't reading anything that has been posted in this thread and are contributing absolutely nothing, I'm just going to stop replying if you continue it.

Heres what I would go with OP.
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You of course may not overclock, but if you ever want to learn you certainly can with these components.
Its about $20 more, but heres the benefits.

Better cooler
twice the ram
newer, better processor
better motherboard (Better chipset) (There are cheaper boards but Ive owned this one for about 3 days and loved overclocking on it)

The only thing missing is your HDD so in that case tack on $50 for a drive, or up it to the SSD from 13's build as its a better deal than a 240gb ssd and HDD.
You do NOT need 750w to SLI if you choose to. These graphics cards will not use that much. 650w is just fine.