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sweq wrote
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sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
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sweq wrote
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Zayev wrote Still, an i5 in a build like that will be the component holding the rest of the system back.
Only for other purposes outside gaming like video editing. etc...


quite a few games where a i5 will still hold them back.
Which games and hold how much back 3-5 FPS? For the FPS you're getting with the two nanos...


Also, doesn't matter if you have a high end cards or not, the i5 isn't as good as the i7 and at 4k, the i5 MIGHT bottleneck. Not too sure but it might.

Just watch this video. You loose a bit of performance, more on some games, less on others but look at Crysis 3 in particular.

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Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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30 fps > 20 FPS gain in one game.


I don't know where you got $300 over budget from, this is $75 over budget. If you cant stretch that far, could take out an SSD if you really want to, get the Phanteks Pro M case for cheaper.

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Only $110 over your build, plus, this get's you a better case, more ram, better cpu, cpu cooler, more storage and a better performance in general.

Also, i know that last part was pointed at Alexyy, but could you post benchmarks of single 980ti vs a Single Nano?
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Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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30 fps > 20 FPS gain in one game.


I don't know where you got $300 over budget from, this is $75 over budget. If you cant stretch that far, could take out an SSD if you really want to, get the Phanteks Pro M case for cheaper.

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Also, i know that last part was pointed at Alexyy, but could you post benchmarks of single 980ti vs a Single Nano?
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Your build performs better than mine, but I would rather have a G-sync monitor with a sick build everybody would be admiring on.
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sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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30 fps > 20 FPS gain in one game.


I don't know where you got $300 over budget from, this is $75 over budget. If you cant stretch that far, could take out an SSD if you really want to, get the Phanteks Pro M case for cheaper.

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Also, i know that last part was pointed at Alexyy, but could you post benchmarks of single 980ti vs a Single Nano?
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Your build performs better than mine, but I would rather have a G-sync monitor with a sick build everybody would be admiring on.


That's fair enough with what you want, but you're seriously sacrificing performance for looks. Most people would be more impressed with the parts you have performance wise instead of the parts you have for looking nice. Sure, having a nice clean set up is great, but
Performance>Looks
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Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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30 fps > 20 FPS gain in one game.


I don't know where you got $300 over budget from, this is $75 over budget. If you cant stretch that far, could take out an SSD if you really want to, get the Phanteks Pro M case for cheaper.

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Also, i know that last part was pointed at Alexyy, but could you post benchmarks of single 980ti vs a Single Nano?
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Your build performs better than mine, but I would rather have a G-sync monitor with a sick build everybody would be admiring on.


That's fair enough with what you want, but you're seriously sacrificing performance for looks. Most people would be more impressed with the parts you have performance wise instead of the parts you have for looking nice. Sure, having a nice clean set up is great, but
Performance>Looks
Form following function > performance. I'm always willing to sacrifice money for looks.
Oh and my monitor still outperforms yours.
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sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote
sweq wrote I suggested 8GB ram because he wont be needing more for gaming and I focused purely on GPU power. And a single 980 ti can't run on ultra at 4K on all games...
The build would be tight, but it would also be beautiful. The motherboard is more expensive because of asus premium price, purely aesthetics. The features are an extra.


But a load of games i've seen on YouTube run better with 16gb of ram. Not by a whole lot, maybe 3-6 frames max but in the budget he has, it'll be fine, and if the OP wants to ever get into YouTube, photoshop or video rendering, he will benefit from 16gb instead of 8 and a single 980ti can do more than what you think. A single 970 can run Gta v at 4k at normal i think with a steady 60fps, so i think that a 980ti can run that game at high or so. Along with other games too. I am not a know it all with each cards but a 980ti will be better than a Nano in games that don't support SLI/Crossfire and the 6gb Vram will be a boost to a few things too. Less power consumption is also a benefit here along with less heat generated. With the build that Sanctorum put together, the OP can easily add another 980ti into the build for SLI action.

So you'd spend over $100 more on a motherboard for basically what you're saying is purely "Aesthetics"?
I picked the motherboard because IMO Asus has the best features (OC) and it looks god like. You can also add 8 more gigs to the build I providedm, and the FPS gain of the RAM doesn't compare to two nanos X-fire.
Thy-Art-Is-Murder wrote and with a $3000 max budget, do you think it's wise to spend almost 1/3 of the budget on a single monitor as it supports 'G-sync'?
If you truly can afford the HIGH END BUDGET and care about the smoothness of G-sync. Yes. I'm more of a 144Hz+ guy, but g-sync is respectable and 144Hz IPS is not available on 4K.


I still fail to see why you would want to blow away 1/3 of the budget on a monitor because of g-sync. Yeah, may be great but with your build you only have 1 SSD with a 2tb HDD, 8gb of ram and an i5 processor and an alright AIO cooler, but the x61 is much better. You're also lacking power in that area. Yeah, crossfire nano's might be good, but a single one wont beat a 980ti in mostly any given game and like i said, with the build that Sancty posted, the OP can easily add another 980ti and that build would dominate yours.

Now i said a few points on why your build suggestion has 5 down votes. The monitor is good, not saying it's not, but you are wasting money on stuff for looks instead on stuff for performance, like the motherboard. With this price range, you could get the monitor you suggested, but you'll be letting the rest of the rig down as you have taken off $900 straight off the budget.
two 980 ti will outperform the nanos, but it will go $300 over OPs budget.


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30 fps > 20 FPS gain in one game.


I don't know where you got $300 over budget from, this is $75 over budget. If you cant stretch that far, could take out an SSD if you really want to, get the Phanteks Pro M case for cheaper.

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Also, i know that last part was pointed at Alexyy, but could you post benchmarks of single 980ti vs a Single Nano?
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Your build performs better than mine, but I would rather have a G-sync monitor with a sick build everybody would be admiring on.


That's fair enough with what you want, but you're seriously sacrificing performance for looks. Most people would be more impressed with the parts you have performance wise instead of the parts you have for looking nice. Sure, having a nice clean set up is great, but
Performance>Looks
Form following function > performance. I'm always willing to sacrifice money for looks.
Oh and my monitor still outperforms yours.


Well, for $500 more, it's really not worth it for a $3000 budget. Maybe if you had more you can have an argument to have it, but with your build i've pointed out how it's bad, how you're wasting money on stuff purely for looks. hence why it's got the downvotes it has. I am not exactly the smartest when it comes to PC building, but i can see clearly that your build is not good for what you're spending on it.

Also, with the build that Sancty put together and the added 980ti, it'll still look beautiful. So i don't see why you should sacrifice serious performance for something that may look a tad bit better.
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@sweq, as you are so adamant that your built is l33t, let's sit down and review it.

CPU - No matter what the use for the PC is, an i5 in a $3k budget is beyond ridiculous.
Cooler - Fine
Motherboard - Beyond a waste of money, nothing wrong with mATX, but the board is definitely not worth the price.
RAM - The same with the CPU, 8GB is pretty stupid in a $3k build as 16GB is so much closer in price than it ever has been.
SSD - Good SSD, but would definitely expect a NVMe drive in this budget.
HDD - Fine
GPUs - lol, Two Nano's is beyond stupid imo, many games won't play nice with two cards, and getting a single or two 980 Ti's is a much better choice.
Case - Fine if you are set on mATX..
PSU - Fine
Monitor - Now this is funny, you spend $900 on a monitor, ramble on about its features, the only advantage it has over the Dell monitor that Dan suggested is G-SYNC (a Nvidia technology) and at a much higher price, but you are using AMD GPUs???

And as for the i5 bottlenecking, it is completely true, my i5 bottlenecks my 970 in games like GTA V and Bo3 at only 1080p, so an i7 would definitely be better for gaming in a budget like this.


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