BigRedMachine wrote Well we need to realise bombing and invading countries does not work and is the second biggest factor in the increase of terrorism behind the ideology of Islamic extremism. But I feel it is too late to try and negotiate with these people, in fact it's 13 years too late. We are now stuck in an impossible cycle. If we sit back and do nothing terrorism spreads, if we do something terrorism spreads just as fast. Negotiating could've worked back in the 90s but the neo conservatives and military industrial complex stopped that. Anyone remaining from the Reagan administration should be imprisoned along with Tony Blair, George bush and his entire administration.

Ever since Saddam Hussein was toppled in Iraq it left a power vacuum for these terrorist groups to rise up and wage war with each other for control, but as I said at least for the foreseeable future there is no solution. That's the harsh truth, and as long as we continue to obliterate countries, the western world will be at risk/continue to see terrorist attacks.

TLDR; Do nothing.

There was never going to be any negotiating lol. What was there to negotiate? You cannot negotiate religion.

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote Well we need to realise bombing and invading countries does not work and is the second biggest factor in the increase of terrorism behind the ideology of Islamic extremism. But I feel it is too late to try and negotiate with these people, in fact it's 13 years too late. We are now stuck in an impossible cycle. If we sit back and do nothing terrorism spreads, if we do something terrorism spreads just as fast. Negotiating could've worked back in the 90s but the neo conservatives and military industrial complex stopped that. Anyone remaining from the Reagan administration should be imprisoned along with Tony Blair, George bush and his entire administration.

Ever since Saddam Hussein was toppled in Iraq it left a power vacuum for these terrorist groups to rise up and wage war with each other for control, but as I said at least for the foreseeable future there is no solution. That's the harsh truth, and as long as we continue to obliterate countries, the western world will be at risk/continue to see terrorist attacks.

TLDR; Do nothing.

There was never going to be any negotiating lol. What was there to negotiate? You cannot negotiate religion.

Ah you say that but look at what negotiating with the IRA between Britain and Ireland did, yes it might not be perfect today, there's always going to be division between Protestants and Catholics due to hundreds of years of conflict, but the situation is a lot better than what it was like during the 1970's and 80's when the IRA were at their strongest. It took decades of negotiations but it sent the IRA back to being dormant and reduced the size of the terrorist organisation. You can never fully get rid of terrorists/terrorism and it certainly won't work with more violence. However, education on the topic and negotiations can minimise the extent of terrorism. As I've already said though, we are way past that with the Middle East, it's an impossible situation.

We Can't Seem To Pinpoint The Problem

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan US, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************

They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India

They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
Not Islam...
Not their leadership...
Not themselves
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy!

******** So, What are their Major Organizations? **********

Islamic Jihad : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

And we just cant figure out who's causing the problem!!



Note: I found this.

Look how much Islamic Terror groups there are, they numbers will continue to grow even if we attack the likes of Syria etc.. We could kill someone's family and then they join a terror group for support? The numbers will increase and I hate to say it but these Terror Groups are smarter than most country's at the moment.

BigRedMachine wrote

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote Well we need to realise bombing and invading countries does not work and is the second biggest factor in the increase of terrorism behind the ideology of Islamic extremism. But I feel it is too late to try and negotiate with these people, in fact it's 13 years too late. We are now stuck in an impossible cycle. If we sit back and do nothing terrorism spreads, if we do something terrorism spreads just as fast. Negotiating could've worked back in the 90s but the neo conservatives and military industrial complex stopped that. Anyone remaining from the Reagan administration should be imprisoned along with Tony Blair, George bush and his entire administration.

Ever since Saddam Hussein was toppled in Iraq it left a power vacuum for these terrorist groups to rise up and wage war with each other for control, but as I said at least for the foreseeable future there is no solution. That's the harsh truth, and as long as we continue to obliterate countries, the western world will be at risk/continue to see terrorist attacks.

TLDR; Do nothing.

There was never going to be any negotiating lol. What was there to negotiate? You cannot negotiate religion.

Ah you say that but look at what negotiating with the IRA between Britain and Ireland did, yes it might not be perfect today, there's always going to be division between Protestants and Catholics due to hundreds of years of conflict, but the situation is a lot better than what it was like during the 1970's and 80's when the IRA were at their strongest. It took decades of negotiations but it sent the IRA back to being dormant and reduced the size of the terrorist organisation. You can never fully get rid of terrorists/terrorism and it certainly won't work with more violence. However, education on the topic and negotiations can minimise the extent of terrorism. As I've already said though, we are way past that with the Middle East, it's an impossible situation.

The IRA and IS's ideology and goals are so drastically different that it doesn't even make sense to compare the two.

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote Well we need to realise bombing and invading countries does not work and is the second biggest factor in the increase of terrorism behind the ideology of Islamic extremism. But I feel it is too late to try and negotiate with these people, in fact it's 13 years too late. We are now stuck in an impossible cycle. If we sit back and do nothing terrorism spreads, if we do something terrorism spreads just as fast. Negotiating could've worked back in the 90s but the neo conservatives and military industrial complex stopped that. Anyone remaining from the Reagan administration should be imprisoned along with Tony Blair, George bush and his entire administration.

Ever since Saddam Hussein was toppled in Iraq it left a power vacuum for these terrorist groups to rise up and wage war with each other for control, but as I said at least for the foreseeable future there is no solution. That's the harsh truth, and as long as we continue to obliterate countries, the western world will be at risk/continue to see terrorist attacks.

TLDR; Do nothing.

There was never going to be any negotiating lol. What was there to negotiate? You cannot negotiate religion.

Ah you say that but look at what negotiating with the IRA between Britain and Ireland did, yes it might not be perfect today, there's always going to be division between Protestants and Catholics due to hundreds of years of conflict, but the situation is a lot better than what it was like during the 1970's and 80's when the IRA were at their strongest. It took decades of negotiations but it sent the IRA back to being dormant and reduced the size of the terrorist organisation. You can never fully get rid of terrorists/terrorism and it certainly won't work with more violence. However, education on the topic and negotiations can minimise the extent of terrorism. As I've already said though, we are way past that with the Middle East, it's an impossible situation.

The IRA and IS's ideology and goals are so drastically different that it doesn't even make sense to compare the two.

What he is trying to say I think is that we could have negotiated with ISIS but it's too late now.

IRA are freedom fighters where as ISIS believe it's what Allah wants and it says in the Qaran anyone who has disbelief in Allah will be dealt with or something along those lines.

Pray for Paris For all the soles lost that Friday night may they all rest in peace besides the ones who did the killings may they be sentenced to forever suffering for what they did

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote

Lavish wrote

BigRedMachine wrote Well we need to realise bombing and invading countries does not work and is the second biggest factor in the increase of terrorism behind the ideology of Islamic extremism. But I feel it is too late to try and negotiate with these people, in fact it's 13 years too late. We are now stuck in an impossible cycle. If we sit back and do nothing terrorism spreads, if we do something terrorism spreads just as fast. Negotiating could've worked back in the 90s but the neo conservatives and military industrial complex stopped that. Anyone remaining from the Reagan administration should be imprisoned along with Tony Blair, George bush and his entire administration.

Ever since Saddam Hussein was toppled in Iraq it left a power vacuum for these terrorist groups to rise up and wage war with each other for control, but as I said at least for the foreseeable future there is no solution. That's the harsh truth, and as long as we continue to obliterate countries, the western world will be at risk/continue to see terrorist attacks.

TLDR; Do nothing.

There was never going to be any negotiating lol. What was there to negotiate? You cannot negotiate religion.

Ah you say that but look at what negotiating with the IRA between Britain and Ireland did, yes it might not be perfect today, there's always going to be division between Protestants and Catholics due to hundreds of years of conflict, but the situation is a lot better than what it was like during the 1970's and 80's when the IRA were at their strongest. It took decades of negotiations but it sent the IRA back to being dormant and reduced the size of the terrorist organisation. You can never fully get rid of terrorists/terrorism and it certainly won't work with more violence. However, education on the topic and negotiations can minimise the extent of terrorism. As I've already said though, we are way past that with the Middle East, it's an impossible situation.

The IRA and IS's ideology and goals are so drastically different that it doesn't even make sense to compare the two.

I know that, the IRA wanted a united Ireland's and IS want an Islamic caliphate, however the one common motive out of that, is both organisations wanted land under their control. I'm just saying we could have had a chance to negotiate with groups looks Al Qaeda in the 90s and Iraq was an illegal war, but it's too late.

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People must understand that changing a profile pic will not do anything. It doesn't spread awareness because everybody pretty much sees it all over the media. We need to tell Washington (or other world leaders) to take action, not pray.

It's such a sad event that happened, so much to learn from this though.