By your definition, anyone who doesn't have family (or maybe they've outlived their family/friends) Are free game for senseless killing? I'm sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me, your thought experiment is just a way of getting around the religious view of murder, that doesn't make it ethical.

MLGTricky wrote By your definition, anyone who doesn't have family (or maybe they've outlived their family/friends) Are free game for senseless killing? I'm sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me, your thought experiment is just a way of getting around the religious view of murder, that doesn't make it ethical.

I didn't say it was ethical, I said it might not be immoral.
The whole point of a thought experiment is that it is something to be thought about and debated.

Saying 'this doesn't make any sense to me' isn't a refutation, it's an appeal to emotion.
and no, I could appeal to many different things to get around the religious view of murder.

Maybe you should read the first line of the preface again.

Oberyn wrote

MLGTricky wrote By your definition, anyone who doesn't have family (or maybe they've outlived their family/friends) Are free game for senseless killing? I'm sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me, your thought experiment is just a way of getting around the religious view of murder, that doesn't make it ethical.

I didn't say it was ethical, I said it might not be immoral.
The whole point of a thought experiment is that it is something to be thought about and debated.

Saying 'this doesn't make any sense to me' isn't a refutation, it's an appeal to emotion.
and no, I could appeal to many different things to get around the religious view of murder.

Maybe you should read the first line of the preface again.

morality



[ mralt, m- ]


NOUN





principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

synonyms: ethics
Morality is governing between the good and bad, which will always involve emotion. Asking someone to not appeal with emotion is impossible. Emotion will always have an impact on your decisions as well as your thought processes. "The whole point of a thought experiment is that it is something to be thought about and debated." And that is not exactly what I'm doing? I thought about your thought experiment and I debated with you on how it would ever be moral and ethical. You go kill a homeless person and tell me its moral, especially without using any emotion.

I would have to disagree with the whole "emotions" thing. Although emotions would play a big part, I don't think it can change what is moral and what is not. Here's an example of murder: A very mean guy can think murder is a sport and nothing is wrong with it. His emotions towards murder say it's a good and fun thing, but it doesn't change the fact that it is still an immoral action.

Hope I understood what you are saying.

MLGTricky wrote

Oberyn wrote

MLGTricky wrote By your definition, anyone who doesn't have family (or maybe they've outlived their family/friends) Are free game for senseless killing? I'm sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me, your thought experiment is just a way of getting around the religious view of murder, that doesn't make it ethical.

I didn't say it was ethical, I said it might not be immoral.
The whole point of a thought experiment is that it is something to be thought about and debated.

Saying 'this doesn't make any sense to me' isn't a refutation, it's an appeal to emotion.
and no, I could appeal to many different things to get around the religious view of murder.

Maybe you should read the first line of the preface again.

morality



[ mralt, m- ]


NOUN





principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

synonyms: ethics
Morality is governing between the good and bad, which will always involve emotion. Asking someone to not appeal with emotion is impossible. Emotion will always have an impact on your decisions as well as your thought processes. "The whole point of a thought experiment is that it is something to be thought about and debated." And that is not exactly what I'm doing? I thought about your thought experiment and I debated with you on how it would ever be moral and ethical. You go kill a homeless person and tell me its moral, especially without using any emotion.

When I say moral, I mean not immoral. Like Isle has said there is an in-between area.
I apologize and I should have been clearer about that.
Amoral is the closest word that I can think of to describe it.

I would also take back when I said you are appealing to emotion, you didn't do that. Saying that it doesn't make sense to you is the same as saying, 'This is illogical' without explaining why it is illogical.
So tell me why it doesn't make sense to you.

@Isle, I wasn't referring to Emotion as having an impact on a persons thoughts, I was referring to OP telling me this post was to have a discussion with no emotion. I agree with your statement, emotion should not totally effect your thoughts on morals, but I disagree with you generalizing morals as something that everyone views as the same, that killer may think that killing is a good thing, different people think different ways.

MLGTricky wrote @Isle, I wasn't referring to Emotion as having an impact on a persons thoughts, I was referring to OP telling me this post was to have a discussion with no emotion. I agree with your statement, emotion should not totally effect your thoughts on morals, but I disagree with you generalizing morals as something that everyone views as the same, that killer may think that killing is a good thing, different people think different ways.

When I accused you of making an appeal to emotion, I am looking for a logical solution to this problem.
The very fact that people have different emotions about murder makes it a folly way to solve something like this.

I'm looking for:
a + b + c = d
not
a in my opinion equals c and b is not a very nice thing to do, so d.

@Oberyn
amoral-unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something or lacking a moral sense.
*More for me than anyone else.
The reason I believe this is illogical is due to the fact that this doesn't distinguish where you've found these requirements, as if you asked me what makes murder immoral these probably aren't the three conditions I'd think of, not to mention you said a homeless person in the original post, but I believe there are plenty of more exceptions to these 3 requirements you've stated.