Lavish wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

What your describing is (somewhat) police brutality, not anything to do with race.
Racial profiling is what has driven the protests just as much as police brutality has, which doesn't make any sense.

The cop that arrested him was black, the police commissioner is black, and the mayor is black.

There are problems with both. While the numbers of deaths by cops and whatnot is higher for whites (there are more whites than blacks), black people are still more likely to be pulled over, searched, killed, etc. This was a police brutality problem and I do question if race had anything to do with this one, but they are still two conversations we need to have.

Jeez wrote

Spartan wrote

Jeez wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

But thats not totally true. Yes, there wasnt a warrant out for his arrest, but if you were a police officer, saw him in a decently crowded area with a knife, and ran after you trying confronting him, chances are you would pursue him. Thats how the law works. That shows he has something to hide. If he had nothing to hide, he would have used his 5th amendment and refused to talk without a lawyer and the officers would have been on their ways.

As for the truck thing, unless you're completely blasted, you can sit straight and support yourself from flying all over a car even while handcuffed. If he seriously wasnt able to, he would have laid down on the seat and been fine.

Have you ever been in the back of a police truck ?
And This is not Nazi Germany, but by your logic, just do what ever the cops tell you to right?
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... If you obey a police officer and respect them, they have nothing against you... Therefore nothing will happen to you. When you disrespect them, they have reasons to figure out what the heck you're doing which could lead to bad things happening.

What if Gray just listened to the officer? They would have acted about his actions, made sure the knife was legal, and he would have been on his way.

What if Brown just listened to the officer? He would have been handcuffed, arrested, brought to the station and released 24 hours later (at the latest due to the fact he got contacted due to a robbery at a gas station down the street).

EDIT: When you disobey the law, you are a CRIMINAL. CRIMINALS belong in jail. Welcome to the legal system

So you would rather the cops can take and hold people who did nothing wrong for x amount of time and not have to answer for it when the person is found of no wrong doing?

We do not live in a police state, do you understand that?

Jeez wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

But thats not totally true. Yes, there wasnt a warrant out for his arrest, but if you were a police officer, saw him in a decently crowded area with a knife, and ran after you trying confronting him, chances are you would pursue him. Thats how the law works. That shows he has something to hide. If he had nothing to hide, he would have used his 5th amendment and refused to talk without a lawyer and the officers would have been on their ways.

As for the truck thing, unless you're completely blasted, you can sit straight and support yourself from flying all over a car even while handcuffed. If he seriously wasnt able to, he would have laid down on the seat and been fine.

Did he have his knife out? Nothing I read or heard stated he did. Just because they found a knife doesn't mean they knew it was on him. They didn't chase a man they saw in a group with a knife. They made eye contact with a man and chased him. If you want to chase him and ask him questions and search him, then by all means. He should have never been arrested though. No laws were broken.

Considering cops were sitting on the man before placing him in the van, I have no idea what his condition was. I just know he asked for a medic and didn't receive one until way later, which was too late. How do you know for a fact that he didn't lay down on the seat and just slipped off in a turn? This is why the seat belts are ordered to be put on. I have been in the back of a few vans (not police related) and it really isn't that easy to sit still. Turns you don't see coming throw you off the seat. It's very dangerous for someone without a seat belt and handcuffed.

When a cop kills someone or uses excessive force and then people say 'If you'd have complied in the first place...' I feel like these are the same people who blame cartoonists who draw Muhammad when they get killed and say 'Well if you'd have not drawn Muhammad...'

Not complying with the police doesn't automatically allow them, or even give them an excuse, to kill you or use excessive force against you.

It's a straw man argument with no bearing on the topic of police brutality.

People like you should not speak about it. You would not get it at you`re age/race

Spartan wrote

Jeez wrote

Spartan wrote

Jeez wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

But thats not totally true. Yes, there wasnt a warrant out for his arrest, but if you were a police officer, saw him in a decently crowded area with a knife, and ran after you trying confronting him, chances are you would pursue him. Thats how the law works. That shows he has something to hide. If he had nothing to hide, he would have used his 5th amendment and refused to talk without a lawyer and the officers would have been on their ways.

As for the truck thing, unless you're completely blasted, you can sit straight and support yourself from flying all over a car even while handcuffed. If he seriously wasnt able to, he would have laid down on the seat and been fine.

Have you ever been in the back of a police truck ?
And This is not Nazi Germany, but by your logic, just do what ever the cops tell you to right?
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... If you obey a police officer and respect them, they have nothing against you... Therefore nothing will happen to you. When you disrespect them, they have reasons to figure out what the heck you're doing which could lead to bad things happening.

What if Gray just listened to the officer? They would have acted about his actions, made sure the knife was legal, and he would have been on his way.

What if Brown just listened to the officer? He would have been handcuffed, arrested, brought to the station and released 24 hours later (at the latest due to the fact he got contacted due to a robbery at a gas station down the street).

EDIT: When you disobey the law, you are a CRIMINAL. CRIMINALS belong in jail. Welcome to the legal system

So you would rather the cops can take and hold people who did nothing wrong for x amount of time and not have to answer for it when the person is found of no wrong doing?

We do not live in a police state, do you understand that?

No, thats not what I am saying... You dont understand. If you didn't do anything wrong, you have no reason to run from the cops. If you run from the cops, you did something in which you don't want them to catch you for. Therefore, those who run, have something to hide = Criminals = belong in jail

Jeez wrote

Spartan wrote

Jeez wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

But thats not totally true. Yes, there wasnt a warrant out for his arrest, but if you were a police officer, saw him in a decently crowded area with a knife, and ran after you trying confronting him, chances are you would pursue him. Thats how the law works. That shows he has something to hide. If he had nothing to hide, he would have used his 5th amendment and refused to talk without a lawyer and the officers would have been on their ways.

As for the truck thing, unless you're completely blasted, you can sit straight and support yourself from flying all over a car even while handcuffed. If he seriously wasnt able to, he would have laid down on the seat and been fine.

Have you ever been in the back of a police truck ?
And This is not Nazi Germany, but by your logic, just do what ever the cops tell you to right?
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... If you obey a police officer and respect them, they have nothing against you... Therefore nothing will happen to you. When you disrespect them, they have reasons to figure out what the heck you're doing which could lead to bad things happening.

What if Gray just listened to the officer? They would have acted about his actions, made sure the knife was legal, and he would have been on his way.

What if Brown just listened to the officer? He would have been handcuffed, arrested, brought to the station and released 24 hours later (at the latest due to the fact he got contacted due to a robbery at a gas station down the street).

EDIT: When you disobey the law, you are a CRIMINAL. CRIMINALS belong in jail. Welcome to the legal system

OMFG you are the definition of WHITE BOY. You just don`t get this country. It`s not as simple as respect the officer. Just being black in America means You`re under educated, and a criminal.

Vladimer wrote

Jeez wrote

Spartan wrote

Jeez wrote

Yin wrote Gray was handcuffed and put in leg irons without having a seat belt, even though they were ordered to put the seat belt on him. He was falsely arrested for he did nothing wrong. He had a knife on him that was legal. Running from cops is not illegal unless you are under arrest, which there was no reason to arrest him. This is why some of those officers arrested now have false imprisonment charges against them. He should have never been in the back of that van to begin with. In 2005, Dondi Johnson suffered a fatal spinal injury in Baltimore when cops went on a rough ride with him when he also was handcuffed and had no seat belt on. Looks like police vans need cameras just as the police themselves do.

But thats not totally true. Yes, there wasnt a warrant out for his arrest, but if you were a police officer, saw him in a decently crowded area with a knife, and ran after you trying confronting him, chances are you would pursue him. Thats how the law works. That shows he has something to hide. If he had nothing to hide, he would have used his 5th amendment and refused to talk without a lawyer and the officers would have been on their ways.

As for the truck thing, unless you're completely blasted, you can sit straight and support yourself from flying all over a car even while handcuffed. If he seriously wasnt able to, he would have laid down on the seat and been fine.

Have you ever been in the back of a police truck ?
And This is not Nazi Germany, but by your logic, just do what ever the cops tell you to right?
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... If you obey a police officer and respect them, they have nothing against you... Therefore nothing will happen to you. When you disrespect them, they have reasons to figure out what the heck you're doing which could lead to bad things happening.

What if Gray just listened to the officer? They would have acted about his actions, made sure the knife was legal, and he would have been on his way.

What if Brown just listened to the officer? He would have been handcuffed, arrested, brought to the station and released 24 hours later (at the latest due to the fact he got contacted due to a robbery at a gas station down the street).

EDIT: When you disobey the law, you are a CRIMINAL. CRIMINALS belong in jail. Welcome to the legal system

OMFG you are the definition of WHITE BOY. You just don`t get this country. It`s not as simple as respect the officer. Just being black in America means You`re under educated, and a criminal.

Wow xD Did I seriously just read that?! xD Where did I ever say this only pertains to only blacks? No where. If you're white and you disobey them, you're a criminal too! And yes, I am a "WHITE BOY"? I think..?

Jeez wrote
No, thats not what I am saying... You dont understand. If you didn't do anything wrong, you have no reason to run from the cops. If you run from the cops, you did something in which you don't want them to catch you for. Therefore, those who run, have something to hide = Criminals = belong in jail

If I didn't do anything wrong why are the cops talking to me in the first place?