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Yup, this has been smoldering for a while in my head because of a certain post that was created a few days ago. Not going to name names.

What really ticks me off is the people who THINK they have clue what goes on in the government/politics.

They think I.E Obama is at fault for the debt/everything that is wrong.
When in fact Obama can't pass a bill without it having to go in to congress and then it can be declined or accepted depending on the majority vote. And with the house being "controlled" by the republicans it is extremely hard for a democrat (Obama) to get anything done. [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

I just absolutely HATE when people blame things on Obama. HATE it.
If you yourself blame Obama for the debt, gun laws, Etc.. i'm sorry but you are very ignorant.

Being a liberal myself but i consider my self more of an independent thinker my views may be slightly biased.

Just my rant. If you talk about politics and you don't know who the vice president is... Or what the 15 cabinets are you should just cease.

Thanks! Sorry, i had to get this off my chest. I don't mean to flame anyone with this i just used them as the backbone to create this.

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*Too afraid to comment opinion*

But here's how I see it all..

Obama got put into a crappy situation and is trying to better the US but doesn't have the support he needs.

Basically just like every next US president ever they all try bettering the US but cant get both sides to agree so we get no where.


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I'm not an American so I don't really understand all your political disputes or rules etc.

All I've got to say from this, is you can't take things seriously on this site.
I'm probably wrong in saying but will do anyways - but the majority of this site are young kids.
Also, it's a tech/gaming forum, not a political forum so I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't really know what they're talking about when it comes to Obama/Politics.

imo

EDIT: Sorry 2048 for downvoting, that was before you edited your post.

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Who ever is down voting... And i agree with both you guys. You both show valid points.
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You do make valid points, ie the President will need the approval of Congress for 99% of his ideas and laws, however what's the real kicker is how he is threatening to use an Executive Order to pretty much force his own immigration reform in to law if he doesn't get the needed majority, which is him handing congress a two-headed coin and telling them to flip.

I do think it's fair to have a negative view of him for some things that he stands for though. A lot of his ideas on Gun Control are sickening, and his healthcare reform being rolled out now is not a good idea in my opinion. A lot of what he is doing seems counter-productive to me.

But yes, it is unfair to blame the president for everything, as for the countries debt crisis, there's too many factors leading up to our 15+ Trillion Debt to list. You could blame poor budget management in wartime and peacetime military efforts, Foreign Aid, and more.




Here's an example chart of how the debt has increased since the beginning (and recent end) of major conflict in the Middle east, the recent Housing market Crash, and poor job growth in the last 14 odd years.

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From this you can obviously see the issue we are faced with, our Debt (Not to blame the president, but rather the government's lack of action) continues to rise more and more at a higher rate than 15 or even 20 years ago, with no notion of slowing down. With our extreme dependency on Foreign Oil, our issue isn't likely to take a turn for the better anytime soon either. In my opinion the best way to combat this would be to help subsidize the Alternative Energy quarter, to make it cheaper and more accessible to Citizens to help lower our dependency on Oil. This is obviously a very Right Winged idea, but it's just one of MANY possible solutions offered by both parties.




The root of most issues in our Government comes down to the lack of forward movement in our Congress and Senate. It does not matter to them what may go wrong with an unlawful bill passing, or with a harming Law that they carelessly sign in, or whether or not they take action to combat major issues our country faces. They make a six figure salary, and receive FULL health benefits regardless of the quality of their work, all that matters to them is re-election. This is a very flawed system. We need to work hand in hand with the government, not be looking over our shoulders for the next Congressman to stab us in the back.




Okay this turned into more of an opinionated "Why our government is screwed up" post rather than my opinion on the OP, but nonetheless it's very unfair to blame all of our countries problems on the President. No, I do not believe Barack Obama is the best man for the presidency, but I'm not going to instantly point my finger at him when something goes wrong in the government. I've learned to take his promises with a grain of salt and to try and have a hopeful outlook for our probable bleak future (Well that was a contradiction...)

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I want to focus on one paragraph. "The one that starts with "The root".

Presidential elections have the highest turn out opposed to off year elections. There is a theory called "Straight ticket" it's when the voter doesn't care enough to vote for the representative and just votes for the representative in the party that they support. Rather than take the time and find out what the person supports if he/she supports what you find correct.

People wants things done for them, they don't want to do them they just want it to happen and if it doesn't they criticize. And Obama is figure that is blamed.
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While I somewhat agree, I dislike Obama from the things that actually have came out of his own mouth. Him turning a 180 on everything once he got in office is not cool. Things like, him not closing Gitmo like he said. Or the part where he was against spying on Americans but is now in favor of it. There is more, but you get the point. It is a mess.
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2048 wrote *Too afraid to comment opinion*

But here's how I see it all..

Obama got put into a crappy situation and is trying to better the US but doesn't have the support he needs.

Basically just like every next US president ever they all try bettering the US but cant get both sides to agree so we get no where.

I do have to agree with you. I personally think that Obama IS trying to help the US.


Also, bravo for showing your real opinion!
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YZE wrote Yup, this has been smoldering for a while in my head because of a certain post that was created a few days ago. Not going to name names.

What really ticks me off is the people who THINK they have clue what goes on in the government/politics.

They think I.E Obama is at fault for the debt/everything that is wrong.
When in fact Obama can't pass a bill without it having to go in to congress and then it can be declined or accepted depending on the majority vote. And with the house being "controlled" by the republicans it is extremely hard for a democrat (Obama) to get anything done. [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

I just absolutely HATE when people blame things on Obama. HATE it.
If you yourself blame Obama for the debt, gun laws, Etc.. i'm sorry but you are very ignorant.

Being a liberal myself but i consider my self more of an independent thinker my views may be slightly biased.

Just my rant. If you talk about politics and you don't know who the vice president is... Or what the 15 cabinets are you should just cease.

Thanks! Sorry, i had to get this off my chest. I don't mean to flame anyone with this i just used them as the backbone to create this.

Opinions below appreciated!

"When in fact Obama can't pass a bill without it having to go in to congress and then it can be declined or accepted depending on the majority vote." Your whole rant just contradicted itself saying that people are uneducated on the government. Have you ever heard of Executive Orders? It's where the president doesn't need any form of acceptance or decline from congress. He can pass whatever law he wants when it comes to Executive Orders. Don't blame congress for every bad law or decision made. If the president held no powers, why even have a president? And ofcourse Obama cannot be blamed for everything, but then same goes to George W. Bush. If you really want to blame a president, start with George Washington who began the debt in America. With that totally being ridiculous you cannot blame a certain individual for the debt of America.
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