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AMDs new FX CPUs - Will they stack?
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Back in the day I was taught (and somewhat still stick to the idea) that AMD uses their high clock speeds to attract customers. Upon hearing this and doing further research, I concocted a motto about AMD cpus, that they "attract customers who like big numbers with not much to back them up." I'm curious to see if AMDs higher priced new CPUs will stack against Intels at similar price points. So here's the [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] which costs ~$440, and here's what Intel has to say *closest to that price point on the high end side, the [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] and [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] , both costing about $540.

After minimal research I found that yet again AMDs reach for the stars was rejected by the preexisting i7s, as demonstrated by [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] . So there, AMD can't stack up to the i7 extremes, but what about something more mundane like a 4770k or 3770k? Well you can figure that for yourself but that mostly depends on the GPU you will be using in conjunction with your CPU. Derppppp from TomsHardware said this in response to someone asking "i7 4770k or 9590?"
Derppppp from TomsHardware wrote i7 4770k. TDP is way too high on the 9590 so you'd have to buy a cooling kit, a bigger PSU, which will make it a lot more expensive than it has too.
No kidding, AMD advertises a 220w TDP which I personally don't believe is how much wattage it will typically use, but still that's too damn high for a CPU especially when you consider that Intel's highest end processor only has a TDP of 150w...

I also found a guy on the TomsHardware forums whom I might be related to, he says the following:
brianberger7 from TomsHardware wrote AMD put the 8 cores and high clock speeds on because that's what the average Joe will look at. The quantity of FX doesn't outweigh the quality of The i7 chips.
At least I'm not the only one thinking that AMD uses promisingly high clock speeds and core counts to attract the average uneducated user in their marketing. Hey, I thought AMD was the sh*t because I saw their empty promises of "8 cores!" and "4.0GHz stock!" and other misleading information, then I came to TTG..

Feel free to share thoughts or anything you have to share on the subject. Only reason I didn't compare the 9590 to other AMD CPUs is because in all reality nobody should be buying a 9590 or really any of the 9000 series CPUs without considering the better Intel i5 options first.
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intel cpus excel at single threaded applications and also the i7 has hyper-threading. in my eyes, intel cpus are a better long-term investment
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They're just better speed-binned, pre-overclocked Vishera chips with arbitrarily higher TDPs (this just in, higher voltages and clock speeds increase power consumption). It's more of a proof of concept with what AMD can do with their existing silicon rather than something they intended to gain a market footing with. They're just showing what can be done with Vishera and selling them tweaked to their maximum potential. They're not meant to compete with SB or IB-E CPUs and if you approach them that way, you miss the point.

These CPUs to AMD are like the Bugatti Veyron to VW. [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
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If any AMD chip was to match the equivalent Intel chip in performance, then AMD would be the winner.

That fact that AMD offers better price to performance than Intel's does speak a lot, seeing that if you spent more for an i5 over a FX6300 you probably wouldn't notice too much of a difference.
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r00t wrote They're just better speed-binned, pre-overclocked Vishera chips with arbitrarily higher TDPs (this just in, higher voltages and clock speeds increase power consumption). It's more of a proof of concept with what AMD can do with their existing silicon rather than something they intended to gain a market footing with. They're just showing what can be done with Vishera and selling them tweaked to their maximum potential. They're not meant to compete with SB or IB-E CPUs and if you approach them that way, you miss the point.

These CPUs to AMD are like the Bugatti Veyron to VW. [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]
I agree 100% with these points you made, I was taking more of a marketing standpoint and I focused on the question of "where does this CPU fit in price:performance wise?" I should've included this in my original post, but all I'm really trying to say with my hyperextensive criticism is that AMD is selling their supposed flagship CPU at a price unjustifiable by comparison to CPUs priced lower. I was comparing the 9590 to Intel CPUs mostly on the price to performance ratio. This was also a personal hunt to see if AMD was beginning to hold a candle to Intel at such a price point, to which I have found my answer.
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Have to agree, all these amd buzzwords, like apple have their "retina hd" thing.


I've had my good run with amd cpus, switching to s2011+4930k after summer.
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Why do you need a 2011 system i wonder...
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Buxtyy wrote Why do you need a 2011 system i wonder...
Because it's not a bad platform for future-proofing, if you ask me (given that you throw out any idea of a budget). Though I was seriously considering going LGA 2011 and grabbing the i7 4820k with an mATX board, which would amount to just the same as any other i7 build, but I would have the 2011 socket to upgrade to in case I went six core.
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It's not good for future proofing if you look into the fact that LGA2011 and X79 is getting old, and is older than LGA1550.

You'd really only need the 2011 if you needed the extra PCIe lanes, other than that it is a waste of money.
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Buxtyy wrote It's not good for future proofing if you look into the fact that LGA2011 and X79 is getting old, and is older than LGA1550.

You'd really only need the 2011 if you needed the extra PCIe lanes, other than that it is a waste of money.
From a content creators perspective, it is quite effective for future proofing. Six core CPUs melt through rendering of any sort- videos, 3D objects/animations, retouches, etc. I stuck a 3930k into a 2011 test bench at work and toyed around with AAE, APP, SV, C4D, CAD, etc. and I fell in love. When a six core CPU on socket LGA 2011 is beat out (in terms of content creation) by anything on either the AMD side of things, or a quad core on 1155/1150, I will reconsider.

And you said it's a waste of money, I stated above that it's not a bad platform for future proofing given that you throw out any idea of a budget. The extra PCI lanes, to me, are strictly a small bonus.
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