PowerButton wrote

GTO wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

Ok, I actually have a couple of Semi Auto's locked up and chained to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe about 6-9 times a month I'll go to a local shooting range. What harm am I doing? So what your saying is that I have these guns to kill? Absolutely not. I collect guns as a hobby, and hunt with them to. All guns have their purposes and shouldn't be the ones blamed for the deaths. A knife is just as dangerous. The government should require that all citizens bearing any assault rifle should have them locked up and chained down. Another step would be to filter out the "crazies" from the people. Anybody with a criminal record of any type should be denied. I believe they should make having an AR a privilege not a right.

A knife is just as dangerous? 28 people were killed in less than 15 minutes with a gun in the Sandy Hook shooting. The same can't be done with a knife. Kills from long distances are possible with guns, not knives. The fact is, while you can kill someone with a knife, it doesn't make it nearly as dangerous as a gun.

They should definitely ban weapons!

Differ wrote They should definitely ban weapons!

Why? Shooting are not because of guns, it's because of the psychos that would do such a thing.

Doesn't UK and Canada have really strict gun laws?

And do you hear about mass murders in those countries?

Nope?

ok then.

VisionaryMGMT wrote Doesn't UK and Canada have really strict gun laws?

And do you hear about mass murders in those countries?

Nope?

ok then.

They did from the start. US didn't, do the math. A law doesn't magically stop everything from happening. You can't stop it but you can help prevent it. I've run into some super ignorant people in this thread.

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote

GTO wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

Ok, I actually have a couple of Semi Auto's locked up and chained to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe about 6-9 times a month I'll go to a local shooting range. What harm am I doing? So what your saying is that I have these guns to kill? Absolutely not. I collect guns as a hobby, and hunt with them to. All guns have their purposes and shouldn't be the ones blamed for the deaths. A knife is just as dangerous. The government should require that all citizens bearing any assault rifle should have them locked up and chained down. Another step would be to filter out the "crazies" from the people. Anybody with a criminal record of any type should be denied. I believe they should make having an AR a privilege not a right.

A knife is just as dangerous? 28 people were killed in less than 15 minutes with a gun in the Sandy Hook shooting. The same can't be done with a knife. Kills from long distances are possible with guns, not knives. The fact is, while you can kill someone with a knife, it doesn't make it nearly as dangerous as a gun.

Exactly, and as for knives, they are everyday tools, you need knives for tasks, for cooking, knives are a tool, designed to cut, yes they can be abused, but where would we be without them? They are not designed to kill, where as guns are specifically designed to kill or inflict as much damage to the sanctuary of life as possible.

GTO wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote

GTO wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

Ok, I actually have a couple of Semi Auto's locked up and chained to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe about 6-9 times a month I'll go to a local shooting range. What harm am I doing? So what your saying is that I have these guns to kill? Absolutely not. I collect guns as a hobby, and hunt with them to. All guns have their purposes and shouldn't be the ones blamed for the deaths. A knife is just as dangerous. The government should require that all citizens bearing any assault rifle should have them locked up and chained down. Another step would be to filter out the "crazies" from the people. Anybody with a criminal record of any type should be denied. I believe they should make having an AR a privilege not a right.

A knife is just as dangerous? 28 people were killed in less than 15 minutes with a gun in the Sandy Hook shooting. The same can't be done with a knife. Kills from long distances are possible with guns, not knives. The fact is, while you can kill someone with a knife, it doesn't make it nearly as dangerous as a gun.

Exactly, and as for knives, they are everyday tools, you need knives for tasks, for cooking, knives are a tool, designed to cut, yes they can be abused, but where would we be without them? They are not designed to kill, where as guns are specifically designed to kill or inflict as much damage to the sanctuary of life as possible.

Once again, ignorant. My point is there are things just as dangerous as guns, maybe they don't have to kill a mass amount of people at the same time but they can kill just as much as guns do. People think you can control what happens in this country and if your one of them, you 100.99% wrong.

Guns shouldnt be banned period. Taking them away isnt gonna stop people killing eachother. If the person really wants to kill you, he'll do it with or without a gun.

They can kill just as much as guns do? Yes, because these mass shootings would have been possible with a knife. :sarcasm:

PowerButton wrote

VisionaryMGMT wrote Doesn't UK and Canada have really strict gun laws?

And do you hear about mass murders in those countries?

Nope?

ok then.

They did from the start. US didn't, do the math. A law doesn't magically stop everything from happening. You can't stop it but you can help prevent it. I've run into some super ignorant people in this thread.

Also, by the way, you're calling other people ignorant, when the irony is, you're the one who actually is ignorant. If you'd bother to actually learn about things outside of your own country, you would know that the UK, Australia, and virtually every other country that has gun control didn't start out with it (Canada being a possible exception, with the law against carrying handguns formed during the Confederation, but even then, it was legal to own every type of gun). They all introduced gun control gradually. Canada introduced gun control laws in 1892, the UK started to introduce gun control laws with the Pistols Act 1903, and the Australians introduced gun control laws around the 1980's.

Whenever someone presents facts to you, you are too ignorant to even acknowledge these facts, and you decide to ignore them, and go on saying stuff that is blatantly false. You then proceed to call anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion ignorant, even when they prove you wrong. To be honest, I've only seen one "ignorant" person, and that's you.

Establish wrote

Click to View Content

PowerButton wrote

GTO wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote

GTO wrote

PowerButton wrote

Establish wrote

PowerButton wrote Banning guns is not the solution to decrease gun violence in the US.

Banning guns of any type, will only create more of them. Cartels and Gangs will simply smuggle these in and make more money than they ever have before. Not only will the guns be un-traceable, but now Gangs and Cartels are more powerful and the US will be spending more money on the "Drug War". Let's use Brazil as an example, Brazil has fully banned guns and they now have the most gun related deaths in the entire world. Thanks to all the criminals bringing in these guns, brazil is the murder capitol. Switzerland on the other hand requires it's citizens to have guns, they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

Alright, here's my opinion, backed up with actual facts. My opinion is that assault rifles should be banned, and every other type of gun should require a background check.

Now, you say Brazil is the "murder capital of the world". Any facts to back this up? Second of all, Brazil is a developing country that is completely different to the US. Notice how you didn't compare the US to Canada, the UK, Australia, Japan, or other developed countries that are actually similar to the US.

Why do you need guns? The thing is, you'd actually have less crime if guns were banned, so there's no need for "protection". As for hunting, you could get a hunting license.

You go on and on about these theories of what could happen if guns are removed. Let's look at other countries that are ACTUALLY SIMILAR to the US in culture, quality of life, etc. The following is a list of countries by firearm related death rates per 100,000 people.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

US= 10.2
Switzerland= 3.4
France= 3.00
New Zealand= 2.66
Canada= 2.13
Germany= 1.10
Australia= 1.05
United Kingdom= 0.25
Japan=0.07

Notice how the US has the most firearm related death rate among all developed countries. Japan has one of the most strict gun control laws in the word, and their firearm related death rate is approximately 145 times less than the US's. Even Canada, the country the US borders, has a firearm related death rate that is over 4 times less than the US's, simply by introducing more gun control. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world? That's BS, and you know it. Even if Switzerland's crime rate is low, they're the outlier, and that's usually not what happens when you give your citizens guns. Besides, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world. Even then, the US has two times more guns per capita than the Switzerland, and it still has multiple times more crime than them. Obviously, what's working for Switzerland doesn't work for the US, but what works for Canada, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and virutally every other developed country will.

I know I'll face a lot of dislikes from ignorant Americans who will refuse to even read the rest of my post once I stated my opinion in the beginning of it, but I don't care, just wanted to share my thoughts, again, backed up by facts.

My friend your facts mean nothing. Especially if you don't even live in the US and haven't kept up with political events within the United States. The United States citizens are used to having such weaponry. So you are completely wrong saying that the methods used by Japan, Canada, and the other countries you have listed will work for the United States. Just because you place a law like this doesn't mean everything is magically going to stop.

You are actually stupid :facepalm:
putting actual valid points to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. you will just wipe everything out of the way, take a dump on the board and claim you win. Well you couldnt be any further from being correct in what you said if you were to be in a different universe. How can you agrue with solid facts and statistics about countries which have gun control being far better in terms of the problems they have with them. Are you so stuck in you're stupid ways that you cant even realise gun "CONTROL" <--- being the key word here CONTROL, would help?

oh and the fact he doesnt live in the US, and the fact this judgement wouldnt effect him, makes his point much clearer, because hes not clouded with old thoughts about how guns are good. They serve one purpose, to kill.... they are designed to inflict as much damage to life as possible. How can you even argue they should be among the streets? And people say that just AR's should be banned, but considering a side arm can be consealed so much more easily it makes them just as bad.

Some times guns are acceptable, for instance if you live in an area where you are say at risk from bears and you need the gun for actual protection, not against a spotty faced youth who gave you a funny look. If there wasnt a problem with guns, there wouldnt be this gun control even in anyones mind, but the fact is america has a problem with guns, and the longer its left as it is because of stuck up fools the worse it is going to get.

Ok, I actually have a couple of Semi Auto's locked up and chained to prevent unauthorized access. Maybe about 6-9 times a month I'll go to a local shooting range. What harm am I doing? So what your saying is that I have these guns to kill? Absolutely not. I collect guns as a hobby, and hunt with them to. All guns have their purposes and shouldn't be the ones blamed for the deaths. A knife is just as dangerous. The government should require that all citizens bearing any assault rifle should have them locked up and chained down. Another step would be to filter out the "crazies" from the people. Anybody with a criminal record of any type should be denied. I believe they should make having an AR a privilege not a right.

A knife is just as dangerous? 28 people were killed in less than 15 minutes with a gun in the Sandy Hook shooting. The same can't be done with a knife. Kills from long distances are possible with guns, not knives. The fact is, while you can kill someone with a knife, it doesn't make it nearly as dangerous as a gun.

Exactly, and as for knives, they are everyday tools, you need knives for tasks, for cooking, knives are a tool, designed to cut, yes they can be abused, but where would we be without them? They are not designed to kill, where as guns are specifically designed to kill or inflict as much damage to the sanctuary of life as possible.

Once again, ignorant. My point is there are things just as dangerous as guns, maybe they don't have to kill a mass amount of people at the same time but they can kill just as much as guns do. People think you can control what happens in this country and if your one of them, you 100.99% wrong.

They can kill just as much as guns do? Yes, because these mass shootings would have been possible with a knife. :sarcasm:

PowerButton wrote

VisionaryMGMT wrote Doesn't UK and Canada have really strict gun laws?

And do you hear about mass murders in those countries?

Nope?

ok then.

They did from the start. US didn't, do the math. A law doesn't magically stop everything from happening. You can't stop it but you can help prevent it. I've run into some super ignorant people in this thread.

Also, by the way, you're calling other people ignorant, when the irony is, you're the one who actually is ignorant. If you'd bother to actually learn about things outside of your own country, you would know that the UK, Australia, and virtually every other country that has gun control didn't start out with it (Canada being a possible exception, with the law against carrying handguns formed during the Confederation, but even then, it was legal to own every type of gun). They all introduced gun control gradually. Canada introduced gun control laws in 1892, the UK started to introduce gun control laws with the Pistols Act 1903, and the Australians introduced gun control laws around the 1980's.

Whenever someone presents facts to you, you are too ignorant to even acknowledge these facts, and you decide to ignore them, and go on saying stuff that is blatantly false. You then proceed to call anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion ignorant, even when they prove you wrong. To be honest, I've only seen one "ignorant" person, and that's you.

Exactly, the only ignorant one is the pig who has not at all considered things from the other side, we are not all against guns, its just that better control needs to be taken, we can see why people may seem to think they want guns but its not necessary, and the only reason you are calling us ignorant is because we have a different view point from yours and you can see our argument is stronger than anything at all you have said. The only ignorant one is you, you seem to think that you should be able to run around where ever with guns, you think that people will actually start a war if they try to take your guns, you make yourself look like a pure savage pig, and the exact reason why these gun laws are being introduced because you are simply too immature to be able to be responsible. We are not being ignorant, its just you on that one