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Are you for or against Beats?

I Love Beats!
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Beats are really terrible.
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I can't afford Beats. :(
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Why Beats Suck. | Don't Waste Your Money!
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I wish I could give these cans a glowing review but after being burned twice due to poor manufacturing quality I must now warn consumers against making a $300 investment in these.

The first pair I bought was a year ago and I LOVED them from the first note I heard. I had never owned a pair of high end headphones so this was quite an upgrade for me. I was having a blast hearing my music library in a totally different way. This all changed about 2-3 months in as the screws which secure the earphones to the headbands started to get loose. With no way of securing them (you can't screw them back in) they eventually started to fall out. Little by little the headphones began to fall apart until they were no longer usable. I called Monster support up and they agreed to send me a new pair as long as I sent the broken pair to them (at my cost). Awesome! Well not so much...

About 3-4 months later I took off the headphones after using them and noticed the headband had a crack right in the middle of it! Not only were my headphones no longer stylish but they were no longer stable. I tried to work through the problem until one day I went to put them on after having them around my neck only to find that the left ear cushion was missing! More than a handful of times I have had an ear cushion fall off and I'd have to snap them back in but losing them makes the headphones completely useless, both for comfort and sound reasons.

I called Monster back and they told me they could not replace them again for free but I take advantage of their out of warranty program and get a new pair for $150. Gee let me think...I already coughed up $300 on these - should I put another $150 into this product that has already failed me twice? Of course the answer was no. While the cans are nice when they work I just couldn't put more money into something that I knew would break. Additionally, it was a hassle having to replace the batteries every few weeks (or have them run out of juice on you in the middle of the day while outside).

Therefore, I would have to recommend consumers shopping for headphones look elsewhere. In the meantime I will be looking for reliable/well crafted replacement.

PS The cord would always wear away at the ends, too.



Alright. I've had these headphones for about six months. I didn't buy them on Amazon, in fact I bought them at Best Buy. I imagine that Amazon gets rather more review readers than BB, so here I am.

First of all, just don't buy them. They look cool, they sound really good, and they're endorsed by a rapper/producer. These are great characteristics, but unfortunately none of them are really pillars of great headphone design. When you buy anything over a hundred bucks (headphones especially, given the huge availability of cheap alternatives) you expect them to be well built. Apparently Dre, Ph.D., didn't give any though to this. In terms of build quality and engineering, Beats by Dre Solo are really, really awful. Made of cheap plastic, they bend and creak around all over the place. The "convenient" folding action of the headphones is made less so by the fact that each folding hinge is just held together by one tiny screw which breaks extremely easily, leaving you with two-thirds of a pair of headphones.

The speakers themselves are held to the frame by two plastic tongue-and-groove slots each which pop out with almost no prompting and are about four-thousand times more difficult to put back than they are to dislodge. When the ear pieces come off the frame, they're noticeably less comfortable and it's not uncommon to have to pause whatever you're listening to for several minutes while you attempt to re-set them. In fact, I never would have written this review if I hadn't had to stop my current entertainment 8 (count 'em, 8 times in less than an hour) times in order to pop the ear pieces back in. I can't explain in full detail what an irritating hassle it is to fix your headphones so often. The ear pieces, have a tiny (24?) gauge wire connecting the ear piece to the frame. The left ear piece (the one that the cord attaches to) especially has come apart from the frame so often that the tiny wire has stripped itself, and I worry each time I have to reset the ear pieces about breaking the wire entirely. I have no doubt that eventually, the headphones will destroy themselves so much that I'll take them out of commission totally just by trying to fix them. Honestly, I'm so sick of messing with them that I'd rather use the cheapest set I could find out of Radio Shack.

To be fairly fair, they sound great. They have a good cushioning, so even though they aren't noise cancelling, they block out most ambient sound. The frequency response is actually discernible, at least at the low end, and you feel pretty immersed in what you're listening to. I like that they have a detachable connection between the cord and the headphones (the cord is separate, detachable at both ends) and that the cord is long and has a right-angle connection on one side. I would have liked a fabric or mesh-coated wire, but the flexible, shape-resistant plastic rubber they use is pretty good.

That being said, if I could still return them I would. All the sound quality in the world isn't worth it if you have to stop your song or video partway through several times to fuss with your headphones. I've actually taken to using my $10 earbuds instead, just because I never have to worry about them coming undone. It really infuriates me that you can waste (that's what it is, waste) that much money on such a horrible product just because someone in the music industry tells you that it's worth it. What I've come to realize is that rappers don't necessarily know anything about sound quality or speaker design, just because they know how to rhyme. The branding, size, and shape of the headphones make them more of an advertisement than a real pair of listening devices, too.

Bottom line, get a pair of AKGs or some $40 Sony's or something. Don't waste the money you've wrested from your job on cheap plastic crap like this. I've only written one other review, on something I particularly liked, so please get my full meaning when I spend my time warning you about a product I really don't.

It's hard to impress the readers of product reviews, mostly because the majority of reviews about this specific product are generally positive. I would write off Dre fanboys and people who report solely on the sound quality though. As I've said, sound quality is on par with the upper-middle class of headphones and I don't contest the quality or lack thereof the doctor's music. All I ask is that for your own happiness, you skip buying anything with that stupid "b" logo and get something which will last you more than an hour in its original condition. Dr. Dre should stick to lyrics, and leave the engineering to engineers.



It's also worth noting that the Monster ControlTalk technology (in other words, the rocker and select buttons built into the cord) are compatible ONLY with iProducts like the iPod and iPhone. If you are planning on using these headphones on your phone, and you have an Android (like I do) or Windows Phone device, or even if you're using a standard MP3 player, you're SOL. The controls are completely useless. Thanks for the compatability guys.







All Of Ishcabible and r00t_b33r's useful posts compiled together.


r00t_b33r:

The build quality is inexcusably bad. They break when you put them on most often. The headband has NO flex to it, which is one of the worst design mistakes I have ever seen. It's easy to see Apple had influence over these since they are not the least bit durable, perform at a level far below their price point, and place form over function. Even then, the Beats are gaudy as sin.

One of the biggest complaints with the Corvette C6 is the crappy build materials. Plastic. The thing falls apart as you drive. Plastic is a great material some plastics are extremely strong, durable, and light, but the Beats line got it all wrong. The headband or any part that is meant to flex is no place for plastic.

The Beats also creak, rattle, and feel extremely cheap and delicate. I still have not figured out why people defend these headphones so dearly when they are just so terrible.

(To those who say Beats just need to be taken care of) You should not have to baby headphones. It's ridiculous. Especially ones that are meant to be portable. Build quality would not be such a gripe with headphones that are meant to be used with high-end desktop audio components, like the Audeze LCD-2, but the Beats are meant to be used with portable DAPs. Therefore, it is a requirement that they be built well.

People are reckless, therefore people are the true test of the durability of a product. Beats have repeatedly failed this test. They are portable headphones which have to be held to higher standards.




Ishcabible:

Headphones are tools without moving parts. You shouldn't have to take care of them out of necessity. They should be durable by design. The only moving part is the driver, which is made of a magnet and mylar, being moved by an electrical current. There's absolutely no reason for a headband to break. These cost $300; the fact that these can break shows that Monster doesn't care to invest in a product that will last their users years. And the fact that people buy them anyways shows how pathetic our culture is... It doesn't matter if we waste $300, a previously astronomical price, buying a product that'll only last a few years, max, as long as we look cool.

Studios and Pros break just as easily as Solos. For some reason, Monster decided to make the cups of the Pros aluminum but not reinforce the headband. The Studios break just as often as the Solos. For example, I was talking to someone yesterday with a pair of Studios on that he really seemed to take care of since they were so shiny. He took him off his neck to put it on his head and the headband snapped. I wish I took a picture of it, but it'd have added insult to injury.

Case in point, I have a pair of headphones from 1960. Actually, the stamped date of production is December 25, 1960. Not even the cable has broken, much less the metal headband. And they're my best sounding headphones. So much for progress.

The point is that Monster uses shoddy materials in a product that costs $300. The Beyerdynamics (DT770 Pro) I used as an example have a headband that's made of solid aluminum and still manage to make a profit. The Beats use a headband made of brittle plastic. They didn't even use good plastic! What does that tell you? Plastic is actually not that common of a material to use for good headphones too. Most have metal at the main stress points so the headbands won't snap. Heck, even the $70 Sony V6 is made mostly of metal.

The thing that's really annoying though is that there are myriad headphones that do the exact same thing Beats do, but better, for much cheaper. I mean it's cool to defend your purchase, but only if you have legitimate facts and comparisons to back your stance. What I mean by that is that if you're saying Beats are the best thing ever, you better have tried a Sennheiser HD650, AKG K701, Sony XB1000, Grado SR325i, and a Beyerdynamic DT990--all of which cost about the same as the Studios, or even cheaper. Otherwise, you're talking out of your **** and if you do that in the real world, you'll be eaten alive just as much, maybe even more. We aren't disputing theoretical preferences (Sound is just as objective as subjective; a violin will always sound like a violin, a guitar, only a guitar. As humans, we tend to want natural sound, which anything super bassy doesn't give us, but we can be tricked into wanting something different.), we're disputing the incessant ignorance that runs rabidly within the Beats society. (Not the Beat Generation though. Those were some cool cats.) But still, Beats are objectively bad. Subjectively, maybe something else, but they legitimately are far from impressive.

It's like Beats are a grail of an object. Not really, even in an objective sense. They aren't expensive when taking the fact that there are headphones that cost $7,000 into account, they don't sound very nice at all, nor are they really a good value in any sense. They just teach our generation that it's okay to pay for what's essentially advertising costs as long as other people have them and it makes them look cool, which I guess is a case of Social Darwinism at its finest, in that the people that always follow the crowd will probably suck in the future, but still. I don't like that Monster is getting all this money and influencing the market in such a way. They may lead some people to getting better headphones, but for the rest of their customers, they will expect a colored sound in everything, which may ruin the music industry even more than it is today.

Y'see, the thing I don't like is that the popularity of Beats is that it shows a precedence that companies can make a sub-par headphone with crappy build and sell it for insane profit as long as it looks good, making a mockery of consumers. That's not really what we want. I mean, if the Beats sounded good and were made like a pair of headphones should be, most people wouldn't give a damn. Well, we'd still be annoyed by some of the owners, but that's easier to deal with. The main thing though is that it's going to start a trend of headphones that are minimalistic to the wrong degree.

(Why you should still care about spending money on good headphones) Because in an ideal circumstance, the $300 headphone will sound exponentially better. The thing I really don't like about our generation is that music just isn't something that's really important in our lives. Sure, we may listen to it, but we don't really appreciate it. A couple decades ago, a really nice stereo system was drooled after, kind of like a huge TV nowadays. If someone had a pair of ESL63's, they were probably the best family ever. Now, if someone had a pair of ESL63's, your average Joe would complain about how ugly they look and how they have no bass.

Here's what I think of the Solos: The Solos successfully give you neither deep bass nor clear sound. They're probably the worst value anywhere Even for $30 they'd be a sketchy buy since they sound so hilariously bad. I didn't really like my Klipsch Image Ones stock-it was so muddy that I've seen cleaner pigs, and they still handily beat the Solos. I don't mind the Studios or Pros, but the Solos are a crime to aural cavities everywhere. I preferred the JVC Marshmallows to them. They're a $5 earphone. The Solos are that tragically horrible. I could go on for hours about how much of an embarrassment to the hobby the Solos are, being outclassed by even Monster's cheapest products, but I'll save my time. But seriously, don't ever consider them.

The Studios are a bit of an embarrassment too. They're touted as being "what the artist intended." That's cool, if the only thing you listen to is rap for the rest of your life. What does Dre know about Miles Davis? Do you really think Miles wanted the string bass to be louder than his trumpet? The Studios sound nothing like real life. Frankly,I've never head a headphone that sounds like real life. The closest I've ever gotten was the $700 Hifiman HE500, and they still didn't sound like real life. If they were marketed as a bassy headphone, I'd be fine with that, but the last thing we need is a bunch of teenie boppers who think bass is the only thing important with the sound mastering the music of the future. That's what Beats are essentially doing, and they're killing the music industry with that. In addition, they're advertised as having deep bass. No they don't. They don't even reach past 30hz, which I barely consider deep. They have midbass, which absolutely any headphone can provide. Don't even get me started on their midrange and treble. I don't mind how they sound, it's just that they sound like $50 headphones with a $300 price tag.

The Pros are really only worth about $150 when it comes to sound. They sound fun, but they sound completely unnatural in a way that most people would find pleasing. And I can't really fault them on that. However, I find that they're the weirdest sounding headphones ever. They don't sound bad per say, but they sound like every single frequency was EQ'ed upwards. The sound is completely hyped in a way that's almost indescribable. The bass is boomy, yet doesn't collapse onto the mids, the mids sound sharp (as in tuning; an A sounds like an A#, a B-B#, and so on) and the treble is bordering on strident. Again, they aren't terrible headphones, but as with everything else in the Beats range, they're more form than function.

And others:

It's funny when people buy the studio edition and think they are cool. When true studio head phones should never be bass heavy at all. They should always be neutral. Basically it is a headset for people who have a lot of money and no real musical talent or even taste.
-RDCA

didn't really need proof..
i've known that beats "suck" ever since i got into sound engineering.
It's a shame so many kids are so **** stupid and think they're the best.
-Fan

Sony mdr xb500's destroy beats with the specs and the price they where 50
the sonys - 4-24,000 Hz lower the first number the lower the bass..
Sony mdr xb500's 104 Db, the reason why there only 104 db is because the sound is even and good quality unlike the beats.
Dr dre studio pros.
20-20,000 115 Db
oh and the tours well you can get similar headphones for 17
Doesn't that prove to anybody how **** dr beats are, i agree they look alright
but there not worth the price tags

Overall The sony's and Jvc's are better simply because of the price tag and the amount of power you get for it..
Jvc explosive in ear headphones are the same as tours for 17
and the bass is better and them headphones..
Also the sony mdr xb500's are on the low end of the Xb range
-dava96





My Final Thoughts.


In other words, Beats are not even close to how much they are worth. $300 for Studios that have NO studio-type output. They run on batteries, for christ's sake. The bass nearly muffles the whole song you are listening to.

If you say Beats have good quality, PLEASE look at other headphones or jump off a bridge.

If you want more bang for your buck, use these topics to help you find a reliable and long-term use pair of headphones.

r00t_b33r's Headphone Advice Topic.
Forums/t=2070772/buying-headphone...-here.html

Ishcabible's Full Headphone Guide.
Forums/t=2894376/headphone-buying...gress.html


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WOW if you broke both of these then you dont take care of them!!
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I can do the same fricken this but how did that happen?
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Quit wrote WOW if you broke both of these then you dont take care of them!!

Not my photo, plus Beats are made with cheap plastic and are easy to break.
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Beats are good,but they are overpriced. They should be around 100$.
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I agree with you.Beats are not that good.And this is coming from someone who has beats.They are over-hyped,I thought they were going to be better but not by much compared to other headphones.I like the audio but they are cheaply made.
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ColorfulKicks wrote I agree with you.Beats are not that good.And this is coming from someone who has beats.They are over-hyped,I thought they were going to be better but not by much compared to other headphones.I like the audio but they are cheaply made.


If they were made better and sold at a lower price, I'd be okay.
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If they break you get a new pair, it's called a warranty.
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they don't suck, if you ever listened to a song with base, its like an orgasm for your ears
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Now that Justin has them no one wants them
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