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Recently, (and not so recently) I have seen loads of topics, where people want to know, if JTAGs/RGH Consoles are "worth" buying.

So I have decided to make a post, about JTAGs/RGH pros and cons, and alternatives to them.

Modding

So, a lot of people get JTAGs/RGHs for modding purposes. These range from adding mod menu's to CoD all the way to making guns talk on Halo, and sometimes, even further than that.

In my opinion, when it comes to modding, a JTAG/RGH console, is the way to go. Although you can get some mods that require nothing more than a USB, to get the really intresting mods, you need the ability to run unsigned code.

Some of the more popular mods can be achieved with ISO modding, however, this requires a flashed Xbox, or an XK3Y, I will go into more details of those 2 later.

So, to sum up that section, if you are intrested in modifying games, then yes, a JTAG is worth it.

Emulators

In most of the topics that ask the question of "is it worth it?" someone will come back with "Well if you are going to buy it for modding CoD NO! They are for Emulators N00B!"

This is an answer that has always bothered me, as I have never seen an Emulator on Xbox, that can not be found with better support for PC.
On my PC, I have the following Emulators - Master System, MegaDrive, SNES, N64, PSX, and, PS2.

As long as you have a semi decent PC, you will be able to run all of those, except for PS2, which requires a slightly higher spec PC, however, it is also the only emulator not supported on JTAG.

The other thing about running these emulators on PC, is the online support that can be found for many games, that never even supported online gaming when they were released. I mentioned in an earlier topic, that one of my favourite games from childhood, was Crash Team Racing, however, the guys I used to play 4 player split screen with, have long since moved away. That being said, I was informed of a PSX Emulator, with online support, and after trying it out, was pleasently surprised.

So to sum up, if you are buying one for Emulators, then no, I do not think they are worth it.

Games without Disc's!

This is one of the main reasons for most I think, the idea of being able to play a game without the disk, is one that appeals to many people, for many reasons.
For some, it is the idea of playing your games, without the risk of damaging them, and therefore, lowering the chance of selling them on in the future, where as for others, it is the ability to play a game, without having to pay for it(dirty pirates!). The other, and more common reason, is playing leaked games, before anyone else!

Now, although this is one of the major factors in peoples decision to buy JTAGged or RGH'd consoles, it is also the factor with the most options.
Flashed Consoles
Flashing DVD drives, has been around for a long time, and is far simpler than JTAGging, or RGHing.
The only time things get slightly more complicated than plugging in some cables and dumping, modifying, and writing new firmware, is when you are in possesion of a Lite-On Drive. However, this problem has been overcome by Team Xecuter, with the use of a 'Probe' that when held on the correct point of the board, removed the read/write protection, allowing the drive to be flashed normally.
The only downside to flashing, is the time it takes to burn the games, as most range from 7gb all the way to 24gb. Once you get upto the bigger games, it can take massive amounts of time to get games ready to play, as well the problem of DVD errors, that can render the disc unusable, and needing to be re-burnt. As well as this, MS has released(on average) a patch a year, that will detect the modified FW, and then ban the xbox, or, as with the more recent updates, prevent the game from booting at all.

DVD Drive Emulators
This is a method, that has not been out for too long, and I think sadly, has been overlooked by many.
The X360K3Y, and others such as wasabi, and XDock, are small devices, that allow the xbox to be 'tricked' into thinking a disc has been inserted, and therefore, allows you to boot games directly from an external HDD, or in some cases, your PC itself.
One of the major benifits of DVD Drive Emulators, is they emulate stock firmware, and therefore, as long as the user keeps up to date with updates, they are much harder for MS to detect, meaning that (for the moment at least) They are Live safe.
Another benifit of these Emulators over Flashing, is when performing ISO mods, you do not have to waste countless hours and discs testing mods, you can simply use public tools, to decompile the ISO image, and change the files, before re compliling, and adding to your HDD.

I will update this post when I return from work, but for now, I hope you enjoyed the post, and perhaps even learned something


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English: Yes, its worth it

My say in it: I recently got a RGH (2 days ago) and I have a lot of fun modding cod 6 and playing zombies on it. BUT..NO MOD MENU OR 10th lobby is online guys......meaning you cannot system link your friends to 10th on cod 6.....yet....somebody may be able to release a tut like teh_1337 once he leaks his info (like in 2 years time....he is making too much money)

So dont buy one to get ur mates 10th on cod 6.....tried it....dont work
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Hyper_Ki11er wrote English: Yes, its worth it

My say in it: I recently got a RGH (2 days ago) and I have a lot of fun modding cod 6 and playing zombies on it. BUT..NO MOD MENU OR 10th lobby is online guys......meaning you cannot system link your friends to 10th on cod 6.....yet....somebody may be able to release a tut like teh_1337 once he leaks his info (like in 2 years time....he is making too much money)

So dont buy one to get ur mates 10th on cod 6.....tried it....dont work


Actually... English : It depends on your needs!
Modding Purposes - Yes
Emulators - No
Games without Disks - No
Homebrew Apps - Yes

As I say, it comes down to preference, but, if people have a read, and spot the reason they want it, then it may help them decide
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great post man, really gets deep and explains it so its easy to understand
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Very good post, as always.

I do have a few issues with it, mainly your use of apostrophes. Forever a grammar nazi.

"JTAG's", "Disk's" an apostrophe indicates ownership or a contraction, making a word plural is incorrect.

Onto the topic at hand, I believe the feature of playing a game without a disk is a very valuable feature, at least it is to me.

Emulators are over-rated, they used to be more of a draw in but since you can now play GBA, N64 and PSX etc on your retail Android smartphone or jailbroken iPhone, it isn't very appealing, and while having those emus on my JTAG, I rarely use them.

On Flashed consoles, I've never ventured into one, felt they were far too much hassle, I don't think I've ever had the desire to have my JTAG online, even for online gaming, and that is basically the only pro for a flashed console.

On DVD drive emulators, I've heard rumours that there are plans of people who use these devices to have their consoles blocked from the Live service indefinitely. Not sure whether or not they are true, but also would say they are just too much hassle.

On modding, my opinion is and forever will be, if you're going to buy a JTAG or RGH (they are the same thing after-all) JUST for modding, you're best to not buy one at all, this is coming from owning one and seeing how boring it got after 2 days. (just the modded CoD, rest is still brilliant.)

Just a few of my opinions and a bit of grammar abuse thrown in, also, being able to run Linux is a nice bonus to them.
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well all i can say is i haven't used mine since mw2 lobbys were patched :/
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iPatobo wrote Very good post, as always.

I do have a few issues with it, mainly your use of apostrophes. Forever a grammar nazi.

"JTAG's", "Disk's" an apostrophe indicates ownership or a contraction, making a word plural is incorrect.

Onto the topic at hand, I believe the feature of playing a game without a disk is a very valuable feature, at least it is to me.

Emulators are over-rated, they used to be more of a draw in but since you can now play GBA, N64 and PSX etc on your retail Android smartphone or jailbroken iPhone, it isn't very appealing, and while having those emus on my JTAG, I rarely use them.

On Flashed consoles, I've never ventured into one, felt they were far too much hassle, I don't think I've ever had the desire to have my JTAG online, even for online gaming, and that is basically the only pro for a flashed console.

On DVD drive emulators, I've heard rumours that there are plans of people who use these devices to have their consoles blocked from the Live service indefinitely. Not sure whether or not they are true, but also would say they are just too much hassle.

On modding, my opinion is and forever will be, if you're going to buy a JTAG or RGH (they are the same thing after-all) JUST for modding, you're best to not buy one at all, this is coming from owning one and seeing how boring it got after 2 days. (just the modded CoD, rest is still brilliant.)

Just a few of my opinions and a bit of grammar abuse thrown in, also, being able to run Linux is a nice bonus to them.


Well a big middle finger for the grammar, I have always pluralised things with apostrophe's so you can go fudge yaself before I change that!

And as a return on your points...

XK3Y's are cheaper than JTAG's, and there is no hassle, one dump and you are set, which is far LESS hassle than a JTAG, or RGH console!

Emulators, well, yeah you pretty much agreed, so I'm still with ya there!

Modding, well, I have never been intrested in modding CoD games, so never got bored with it, Halo has a very long list of moddable items, so it was one of the things that brought me into the world of modding. On top of that, I have modded so many games, in so many ways, that I think I could justify usng it just for modding.

And Linux... I have 2 laptops on Xubuntu, and another running a different Linux OS, so again, feel better with a computer than a console

Anyway, cheers for the feedback
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noneed4aname wrote
iPatobo wrote Very good post, as always.

I do have a few issues with it, mainly your use of apostrophes. Forever a grammar nazi.

"JTAG's", "Disk's" an apostrophe indicates ownership or a contraction, making a word plural is incorrect.

Onto the topic at hand, I believe the feature of playing a game without a disk is a very valuable feature, at least it is to me.

Emulators are over-rated, they used to be more of a draw in but since you can now play GBA, N64 and PSX etc on your retail Android smartphone or jailbroken iPhone, it isn't very appealing, and while having those emus on my JTAG, I rarely use them.

On Flashed consoles, I've never ventured into one, felt they were far too much hassle, I don't think I've ever had the desire to have my JTAG online, even for online gaming, and that is basically the only pro for a flashed console.

On DVD drive emulators, I've heard rumours that there are plans of people who use these devices to have their consoles blocked from the Live service indefinitely. Not sure whether or not they are true, but also would say they are just too much hassle.

On modding, my opinion is and forever will be, if you're going to buy a JTAG or RGH (they are the same thing after-all) JUST for modding, you're best to not buy one at all, this is coming from owning one and seeing how boring it got after 2 days. (just the modded CoD, rest is still brilliant.)

Just a few of my opinions and a bit of grammar abuse thrown in, also, being able to run Linux is a nice bonus to them.


Well a big middle finger for the grammar, I have always pluralised things with apostrophe's so you can go fudge yaself before I change that!

And as a return on your points...

XK3Y's are cheaper than JTAG's, and there is no hassle, one dump and you are set, which is far LESS hassle than a JTAG, or RGH console!

Emulators, well, yeah you pretty much agreed, so I'm still with ya there!

Modding, well, I have never been intrested in modding CoD games, so never got bored with it, Halo has a very long list of moddable items, so it was one of the things that brought me into the world of modding. On top of that, I have modded so many games, in so many ways, that I think I could justify usng it just for modding.

And Linux... I have 2 laptops on Xubuntu, and another running a different Linux OS, so again, feel better with a computer than a console

Anyway, cheers for the feedback


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Secondly,

I'll give you the XK3Y point purely because I cannot substantiate the possible console ban rumour..yet. :/

Modding, however, is a different point. With JTAGs blocked from the Live service, this factor has decreased significantly, and a general audience (a strong majority I'd imagine) are only interested in modding Call of Duty, and then get bored very fast. A few rare exceptions, but as a rule of thumb I'd argue all day modding is not much of a factor in buying a JTAG / RGH, but only a "perk" so to say.

And on Linux, the novelty is a nice perk though, also running various "applications",so-to-say, from Xell is also a side perk.
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Well, if I get banned, I will let you know ;)

And yeah, I do see where you are coming from, JTAGs(happy? ) Only really blew up when 10th lobbies were around, and have died down a hell of a lot since 12625(right?) and then TU7.

And as for Linux, yeah, I was really into debian and putty for a while, no Idea why, so many more advanced apps, but they were just 'mazing!

Also, I just read your rep comment(cheers btw) and I will change it to include RGH
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Good grammar -

Close, it was 12611, the one prior to 12625, 12611 was the very first Kinect dash release. TU7 was a further blow killing system link in MW2.

For the interest of other people's opinions, what do you guys think about JTAGs and RGH consoles and their various uses?
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