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One conspiracy theorist said "What about the Contras? Aren't they a large organization?" As if ALL the groups which made up the Contras had to know the whole plan. That's like including the troops in an investigation into the manipulation of intelligence before the war. It makes little sense and only hurts their argument. Because Iran/Contra was exposed making the point that large conspiracies are uncovered. It seems the irony from the truth movement continues unabated. This conspiracy investigator can't even investigate a well known conspiracy which happened decades ago.

This site has been attacked for not having any info on the administrations possible crimes, having too little info (Which I agreed with and corrected) and now for having any info. It seems one of the arguments for controlled demolition is that I created this page for credibility. Let me repeat, if you think the columns weren't pulled in over time because I have or don't have a page on Bush's possible manipulation of intel then you are no different than a Bush supporter who denies the evidence below.

Below is a short list of people who blew the whistle on the misuse of pre-war intelligence and pre-9/11 incompetence.

Thomas Packard, acting FBI director: Summer before 9/11, Ashcroft told him he didnt want to hear anything more about terrorist threats.

Yet, Pickard testified to the 9/11 commission that when he tried to brief Ashcroft just a week later, on July 12, about the terror threat inside the United States, he got the brush-off.

"Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not want to hear about this anymore," Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste asked on April 13. "Is that correct?"

"That is correct," Pickard replied.

Testifying under oath the same day, Ashcroft categorically denied the allegation, saying, "I did never speak to him saying that I didn't want to hear about terrorism."

However, another senior FBI official tells NBC News he vividly recalls Pickard returning from the meeting that day furious that Ashcroft had cut short the terrorism briefing. This official, now retired, has talked to the 9/11 commission.

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Ashcroft's actions corroborate the FBI version...

"In addition, FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson "told us that he almost fell out of his chair" when Ashcroft outlined his budget priorities in May 2001, because the list made no mention of counterterrorism, the commission reported earlier Tuesday,"

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The above has been used by conspiracy theorists to say "Why else would Ashcroft not want to to hear about terrorism. Because he's in on it!" But there is a more logical reason which there is evidence for. The administration may not have wanted to spend time or money on things like terrorism. We know they wanted to give tax cuts and big money to defense contractors for Star Wars technology. Remember that? The major point is that is negligence no matter what the reason. This is also lying to congress. Someone lied, be it Ashcroft or the 3 FBI agents. This is worthy of an investigation.

Larry Johnson, former counter terrorism agent with the CIA: Rumsfeld set up a special office to link Iraq and Al Qaeda cherry picking Intel; evidence is sent back saying, Thats garbage, thats misleading, that misrepresents, then they would take the same brief to the vice president or one even worse.

"LARRY JOHNSON: They would brief their findings to the community and the community would come back and say, wait a second, you don't know what you're talking about, that's garbage, that's misleading, that misrepresents."

"ENSOR: The spies call it cherry picking. Choosing scraps of intelligence to prove a worst-case scenario. July 23rd, a senior British intelligence official briefs Prime Minister Tony Blair on his recent discussions in Washington. According to notes of the Downing Street briefing, the mi6 chief reported that President Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action. The intelligence and facts, he said, were being fixed around the policy. The White House declined interview requests for this report. President Bush addressed the memo at a news conference with Blair."

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"Pillar's critique is one of the most severe indictments of White House actions by a former Bush official since Richard C. Clarke, a former National Security Council staff member, went public with his criticism of the administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and its failure to deal with the terrorist threat beforehand.

It is also the first time that such a senior intelligence officer has so directly and publicly condemned the administration's handling of intelligence.

Pillar, retired after 28 years at the CIA, was an influential behind-the-scenes player and was considered the agency's leading counterterrorism analyst. By the end of his career, he was responsible for coordinating assessments on Iraq from all 15 agencies in the intelligence community. He is now a professor in security studies at Georgetown University.

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Rand Baers, National Security Council: Resigns White House post and works against Bush. He said Cheney pushed CIA "Cheney said, Everybody knows Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, tell us what you know, whats your best stuff?..

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Downing Street Memo says Bush wanted to remove Saddam though military action. Evidence fixed around the policy

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Rice, Rove, Karen Hughes, Cheney have weekly closed door meetings on how to convince the American people.

The White House Iraq Group (aka, White House Information Group or WHIG) was the marketing arm of the White House whose purpose was to sell the 2003 invasion of Iraq to the public. The task force was set up in August 2002 by White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and chaired by Karl Rove to coordinate all the executive branch elements in the run-up to the war in Iraq. One example of the WHIG's functions and influence is the "escalation of rhetoric about the danger that Iraq posed to the U.S., including the introduction of the term 'mushroom cloud'"[1]
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John McLaughlin, CIA deputy director: We did not clear that particular [****] speech Tenets slam dunk does not mean what the media thinks it means.

Tenet: 'Slam Dunk' Misused

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George Tenet- At The Center Of The Storm, Former CIA Director

Michael Scheuer: Intel did not matter. We were going to war / Tenet researched 10 years worth of documents and found no connection to Al Qaeda. Tenet tells Bush / Administration yet administration continues to suggest connection.

SCHEUER: Mr. Tenet to his credit had us go back through CIA files and we went back for almost ten years, reviewed nearly 20,000 documents, which came to 65,000 pages or more. It could find no connection in the terms of a state sponsor relationship with Iraq.

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Who is Joe T and why was he the point man for analyzing nuclear weapon intel?

Some of the CIA's briefings on Iraq begin to rely on one analyst, an engineer with limited nuclear weapons experience known only as Joe T. He believed he found the smoking gun. Saddam was buying high strength aluminum tubes that Joe T. insists are meant for centrifuges to enrich uranium.

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Gregory Thielmann, State Dept intelligence: More and more people said intel on tubes was that they were no good for a nuclear weapon. Official leak saying Mushroom Cloud misrepresents the intelligence community disagreement. Administration continues No doubt he has WMD. Tenet defends erroneous evidence while others in the CIA voice doubts. State department issues strong and lengthy dissent. **** uranium purchase Highly Dubious. "Intelligence agencies, get your talking points

CIA intel notes critical gaps in the evidence because of questionable reliability of many sources,

For the first time before a modern war, Bush did not ask for National Intelligence Estimate. Congress demands it. N.I.E. said Saddam not a threat.

White House Iraq group gives only evidence which supports policy while down playing dissent.

Last minute dispute over **** speech.

Tenet and Powell argue about intel.

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Carl Ford, Asst Sec of State, Intelligence: This is all we got? And were making these firm judgments?

Powell not told about Curveball. Curveball was never debriefed by the CIA.

Curveball was the designation for a claimed "Iraqi chemical engineer" who the United States claimed had served as an informant. Curveball would be the attributed source of pivotal information concerning weapons of mass destruction leading up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

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Col. Laurence Wilkerson: Evidence brought to the UN It was anything but an intelligence document. It was a Chinese menu where you can pick and choose what you want

A day before Powells UN speech, a CIA skeptic had warned Curveball is a lair. A superior sends an E-mail reply saying This wars going to happen regardless, the powers that be probably arent interested whether Curve ball knows what hes talking about.

Powells speech riddled with misleading allegations. Not outright lies but worded in such a way as to mislead.
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For those of you who think its fake:

Do you honestly think we would set it up to where thousands died and had to even jump to there deaths to avoid get burned or crushed. Why would you question something that serious and heart wrenching? Tell you "conspiracy" to someone who lost loved ones and to this day still cries and misses them and see if you don't get hit or slapped. I'm sorry but you have to be a pretty low, scummy person to even think that. Yeah we may have a messed up government but they wouldn't go that far and crash planes into the Twin Towers and kill all of those people. And after that they would rebuild it if it was a setup, which they are rebuilding and making a memorial now.
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To many words but yeah its real
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-DevilDog- wrote For those of you who think its fake:

Do you honestly think we would set it up to where thousands died and had to even jump to there deaths to avoid get burned or crushed. Why would you question something that serious and heart wrenching? Tell you "conspiracy" to someone who lost loved ones and to this day still cries and misses them and see if you don't get hit or slapped. I'm sorry but you have to be a pretty low, scummy person to even think that. Yeah we may have a messed up government but they wouldn't go that far and crash planes into the Twin Towers and kill all of those people. And after that they would rebuild it if it was a setup, which they are rebuilding and making a memorial now.
exactly i dont get why people think that it is fake its really annoying...
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You actually believe this crap.. 9/11 was definitely a terrorist attack that was not an inside job
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-DevilDog- wrote For those of you who think its fake:

Do you honestly think we would set it up to where thousands died and had to even jump to there deaths to avoid get burned or crushed. Why would you question something that serious and heart wrenching? Tell you "conspiracy" to someone who lost loved ones and to this day still cries and misses them and see if you don't get hit or slapped. I'm sorry but you have to be a pretty low, scummy person to even think that. Yeah we may have a messed up government but they wouldn't go that far and crash planes into the Twin Towers and kill all of those people. And after that they would rebuild it if it was a setup, which they are rebuilding and making a memorial now.

9/11 was fake. The government needed an excuse to go to war with Iraq. I was watching something and it showed how the building started going to flames before about 0.3 seconds before the plane hit. That is how I know that it was setup by the government.
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_Jack_ wrote 9/11 was fake. The government needed an excuse to go to war with Iraq. I was watching something and it showed how the building started going to flames before about 0.3 seconds before the plane hit. That is how I know that it was setup by the government.


I'm sorry but if you actually believe that then that's sad... you cant believe everything on TV. They if such thing as editing and effects
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-DevilDog- wrote
_Jack_ wrote 9/11 was fake. The government needed an excuse to go to war with Iraq. I was watching something and it showed how the building started going to flames before about 0.3 seconds before the plane hit. That is how I know that it was setup by the government.


I'm sorry but if you actually believe that then that's sad... you cant believe everything on TV. They if such thing as editing and effects

It was the history channel. It doesn't lie.
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People like you Piss me off.
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