My take on the bible is that it was made as a guide not a rule book the entire thing just gets taken out of context from simple minded people who assume since we can't explain the beginning some mystical being must of created it all.

The idea of a "God" is a nice one if you don't want to work to find the answer, How was the universe made "God" How do cell replicate "God" Why are there so many Child predators "God" I think everyone sees were I am going with this. If you were to create a list of Stuff Religion has proved versus stuff Science has proved its a 1 sided competition.

I have no problem with people believing in something its when you use it as a defence that people will prove you wrong.

TSNYC wrote The universe was created ~13.8 billion years ago. There is a plethora of evidence to back this up. Go ask any physicist. So do you people who believe in everything that the bible says dispute this number?

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The bible doesn't tell us how old the universe is. Also there is a lot of unanswered questions in the bible. Some would say it's because God wants to keep us guessing and continue to put faith into him. A good example would be aliens. The bible does not talk about any life outside of Earth. That does not mean that the bible says aliens don't exist, it could mean that God does not want us to know yet. Only thing to do is have faith. A lot of you, I'm assuming, don't want faith and want absolute proof of God. I can tell you this, God will not show proof of his existence to the whole human race until Jesus comes back. I could care less in what you guys believe in as long as you do not discriminate against me hahaha. :biggrin:

This debate has been polite so far ,Please lets keep it that way.

I can understand why religion is a touchy subject ,People tend to defend there beliefs to the bitter end ,But then the same can be said for how people feel about different gaming styles!. ,Try going into the COD section and start talking about camping lol.

Thoughts and ideas form questions which leads to a debate which in turn can create understanding and acceptance.

Africant wrote

TSNYC wrote The universe was created ~13.8 billion years ago. There is a plethora of evidence to back this up. Go ask any physicist. So do you people who believe in everything that the bible says dispute this number?

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The bible doesn't tell us how old the universe is. Also there is a lot of unanswered questions in the bible. Some would say it's because God wants to keep us guessing and continue to put faith into him. A good example would be aliens. The bible does not talk about any life outside of Earth. That does not mean that the bible says aliens don't exist, it could mean that God does not want us to know yet. Only thing to do is have faith. A lot of you, I'm assuming, don't want faith and want absolute proof of God. I can tell you this, God will not show proof of his existence to the whole human race until Jesus comes back. I could care less in what you guys believe in as long as you do not discriminate against me hahaha. :biggrin:

Calculations from the chronology of the bible place the earth at ~6000 years old.

Science shows it is ~4.54 billion years.

Care to explain?

I like how people want proof of God and Jesus when it's right in front of you.. (Just my point of view)

In the Book of Revelation it says
Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.

Well what's happening to the Euphrates? It's drying up.

Also Sodom and Gommorrah which is the Cities that got destroyed by God because of Adultry, Murder and all the Bad stuff. God destroyed these cities by Fire and Brimstone well.. Do some research and you will find that they have found both Cities and also Brimstone (A lot) and man made foundations.

Now Noah's Ark has been found also where Moses crossed the Red Sea (Google "Where Moses crossed the Red Sea")

And God is not "Evil" if you read Adam and Eve had a choice he gave them one command to follow (DO NOT EAT THE APPLES OF THAT TREE) but Eve was tempted by Satan (Lucifer) to eat the Apple (He was a Snake).

Also the 3RD Temple (Google The Third Temple) won't go into detail.

This is my POV so don't get angry I respect everyone's beliefs I've also read into Evolution but it seems that everyone says (There's Mountains of Evidence yet it's still a theory)

- Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he is fake God is based on Faith and when you come to think about so is Evolution.

From my theology teacher:
"The bible is not 100% accurate and should not be taken literally." Honestly, the only stories in the bible that I do not fully believe in are in the Old Testament. To me, everything in the New Testament is nearly true. The Gospels are accounts of Jesus' life and the events that happened and personally I believe in all of them. Stuff from Genesis I don't really believe. Like God creating the world in seven days. I believe in him creating the world and stuff like that, but not in seven days.
Something I like to look at is the odds of us being here. The odds are 10 to the tenth to the 123rd to one. (Far beyond the number of impossible) That's where God comes into play.
Another thing. I believe in God it's faith though, I don't have to "see to believe".
Just my view on things.

The Bible DOES NOT tell us how old the Earth is! Some people say they have "calculated" the age of the Earth through clues from the Bible. BUT that is bull, those are just calculations that are inaccurate. So I do not know why you are trying to tell me information that is not in the Bible. Care to explain why?

Also you shouldn't take all of the Bible literally. There are a lot of things in the Bible that have deeper meanings. That is why it is so hard to believe in it all.

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Africant wrote

TSNYC wrote The universe was created ~13.8 billion years ago. There is a plethora of evidence to back this up. Go ask any physicist. So do you people who believe in everything that the bible says dispute this number?

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The bible doesn't tell us how old the universe is. Also there is a lot of unanswered questions in the bible. Some would say it's because God wants to keep us guessing and continue to put faith into him. A good example would be aliens. The bible does not talk about any life outside of Earth. That does not mean that the bible says aliens don't exist, it could mean that God does not want us to know yet. Only thing to do is have faith. A lot of you, I'm assuming, don't want faith and want absolute proof of God. I can tell you this, God will not show proof of his existence to the whole human race until Jesus comes back. I could care less in what you guys believe in as long as you do not discriminate against me hahaha. :biggrin:

Calculations from the chronology of the bible place the earth at ~6000 years old.

Science shows it is ~4.54 billion years.

Care to explain?

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Radiometric dating has been proven inaccurate.

Nothing HAS been proven to be true nor has not been proven to be false.

I like how people want proof of God and Jesus when it's right in front of you...

There is no proof of God's existence, if there was, faith wouldn't be needed and we would be pointless in God's eyes because everyone would believe.

In the Book of Revelation it says
Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.

Well what's happening to the Euphrates? It's drying up.

Can you provide evidence that the Euphrates isn't drying up for non-religious reasons?
It's a staunch claim to say that because something is happening, it has to relate to a text which has a pretty loose connection.
It's drying up due to a drought in 2007 which means it will eventually 'fill up' again.
Also, the Biblical reason for it drying up is to allow troops to march across, looks like they couldn't predict motor boats, or airplanes...

Also Sodom and Gommorrah which is the Cities that got destroyed by God because of Adultry, Murder and all the Bad stuff. God destroyed these cities by Fire and Brimstone well.. Do some research and you will find that they have found both Cities and also Brimstone (A lot) and man made foundations.

Sorry but that's an outright lie.
I've Googled all over the place and the only sites which actually support those claims are Christian apologetic ones.
The reason why you can't find any on proper archaeology sites is because they haven't been found yet.
The story was also invented by Ron Wyatt, a known Christian archaeology fraud.
As for the 'Brimstone' it can be found easily and in large quantities in ancient lake beds, like the Dead Sea, and if Sodom and Gomorrah did exist along the Jordan Rift valley, it isn't hard to see how they could have been destroyed by a massive earthquake.

Now Noah's Ark has been found also where Moses crossed the Red Sea (Google "Where Moses crossed the Red Sea")

Noah's Ark? I'm guessing you're talking about the one in Turkey, I don't blame you for not mentioning that part.
What an obvious fraud, "They're keeping the location a secret." and it was found by Christian Evangelicals, of course they're going to find it, every single expedition to find Noah's Ark, ever, has been successful apparently.

And God is not "Evil" if you read Adam and Eve had a choice he gave them one command to follow (DO NOT EAT THE APPLES OF THAT TREE) but Eve was tempted by Satan (Lucifer) to eat the Apple (He was a Snake).

God put them in paradise, he then, obviously knowing that they would eat from it, put the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil into the Garden.
This is like me leaving two children alone in a room with a Haribo and telling them not to eat it, you've seen those adverts, what do they always end up doing?
Eating the Haribo.
They didn't even need Satan to tempt them, God knew what they were going to do, he programmed them that way.

Also the 3RD Temple (Google The Third Temple) won't go into detail.

So, the religious saw a temple described in the Bible and decided to build it.
Proof of... Inspiration...? :/

This is my POV so don't get angry I respect everyone's beliefs I've also read into Evolution but it seems that everyone says (There's Mountains of Evidence yet it's still a theory)

- Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he is fake God is based on Faith and when you come to think about so is Evolution.

I really wish people would nail this differentiation between a theory and a hypothesis.
A theory in science 'REQUIRES' mountains of evidence for it to even be considered a theory.
A hypothesis is what Christians have, God made the world, not much evidence.

Evolution doesn't require faith, it requires logic, you look at the evidence and you admit that maybe there is more to it, but for now, that's what you have.
Faith is believing something to be true with a lack of evidence.
Logic is believing something to be true because it has the most evidence supporting it.


Also, relating back to your first statement, none of what you have posted, even if it was all completely true archaeologically, would prove God's existence, none of it would even amount to evidence of God's existence.
It's events that may or may not have taken place and men who didn't understand what was happening explained it by saying God did it.

Look at the story of Beowulf, rooted in factual events, does that mean that Grendel was a demon and his mother was the last demon?
Gave birth to a dragon?

Absolutely not, it's nonsense, you can't prove that God exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't.

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Well I guess it's a good thing that they don't date Carbon 14 to measure the age of the Earth then, isn't it?
They measure Uranium 238 to Lead 206 on meteorites, all of which, no matter where they come from are 4.5 Billion years old., proving that everything in the solar system, including Earth, is around 4.5 Billion years old.