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I like how people want proof of God and Jesus when it's right in front of you...


There is no proof of God's existence, if there was, faith wouldn't be needed and we would be pointless in God's eyes because everyone would believe.


In the Book of Revelation it says
Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.

Well what's happening to the Euphrates? It's drying up.


Can you provide evidence that the Euphrates isn't drying up for non-religious reasons?
It's a staunch claim to say that because something is happening, it has to relate to a text which has a pretty loose connection.
It's drying up due to a drought in 2007 which means it will eventually 'fill up' again.
Also, the Biblical reason for it drying up is to allow troops to march across, looks like they couldn't predict motor boats, or airplanes...

Also Sodom and Gommorrah which is the Cities that got destroyed by God because of Adultry, Murder and all the Bad stuff. God destroyed these cities by Fire and Brimstone well.. Do some research and you will find that they have found both Cities and also Brimstone (A lot) and man made foundations.


Sorry but that's an outright lie.
I've Googled all over the place and the only sites which actually support those claims are Christian apologetic ones.
The reason why you can't find any on proper archaeology sites is because they haven't been found yet.
The story was also invented by Ron Wyatt, a known Christian archaeology fraud.
As for the 'Brimstone' it can be found easily and in large quantities in ancient lake beds, like the Dead Sea, and if Sodom and Gomorrah did exist along the Jordan Rift valley, it isn't hard to see how they could have been destroyed by a massive earthquake.

Now Noah's Ark has been found also where Moses crossed the Red Sea (Google "Where Moses crossed the Red Sea")


Noah's Ark? I'm guessing you're talking about the one in Turkey, I don't blame you for not mentioning that part.
What an obvious fraud, "They're keeping the location a secret." and it was found by Christian Evangelicals, of course they're going to find it, every single expedition to find Noah's Ark, ever, has been successful apparently.

And God is not "Evil" if you read Adam and Eve had a choice he gave them one command to follow (DO NOT EAT THE APPLES OF THAT TREE) but Eve was tempted by Satan (Lucifer) to eat the Apple (He was a Snake).


God put them in paradise, he then, obviously knowing that they would eat from it, put the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil into the Garden.
This is like me leaving two children alone in a room with a Haribo and telling them not to eat it, you've seen those adverts, what do they always end up doing?
Eating the Haribo.
They didn't even need Satan to tempt them, God knew what they were going to do, he programmed them that way.

Also the 3RD Temple (Google The Third Temple) won't go into detail.


So, the religious saw a temple described in the Bible and decided to build it.
Proof of... Inspiration...? :/

This is my POV so don't get angry I respect everyone's beliefs I've also read into Evolution but it seems that everyone says (There's Mountains of Evidence yet it's still a theory)

- Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he is fake God is based on Faith and when you come to think about so is Evolution.


I really wish people would nail this differentiation between a theory and a hypothesis.
A theory in science 'REQUIRES' mountains of evidence for it to even be considered a theory.
A hypothesis is what Christians have, God made the world, not much evidence.

Evolution doesn't require faith, it requires logic, you look at the evidence and you admit that maybe there is more to it, but for now, that's what you have.
Faith is believing something to be true with a lack of evidence.
Logic is believing something to be true because it has the most evidence supporting it.


Also, relating back to your first statement, none of what you have posted, even if it was all completely true archaeologically, would prove God's existence, none of it would even amount to evidence of God's existence.
It's events that may or may not have taken place and men who didn't understand what was happening explained it by saying God did it.

Look at the story of Beowulf, rooted in factual events, does that mean that Grendel was a demon and his mother was the last demon?
Gave birth to a dragon?

Absolutely not, it's nonsense, you can't prove that God exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't.

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Well I guess it's a good thing that they don't date Carbon 14 to measure the age of the Earth then, isn't it?
They measure Uranium 238 to Lead 206 on meteorites, all of which, no matter where they come from are 4.5 Billion years old., proving that everything in the solar system, including Earth, is around 4.5 Billion years old.


Ok see you're one of the people that want evidence I gave you evidence and you come back with stupid things such as a drought to dry up Euphrates? It's obvious you haven't looked into it as you stated 2007 guess what? It's water levels are still dropping. And have you ever thought to yourself There are Christain archaeologist and most non-Christians rather go look for bones and other stuff to try prove Evolution? Yet "there's mountains of evidence" and carbon dating is inaccurate and I mean very inaccurate scientist say oh (This bone is One Billion years of age) guess what that bone would only be like 5000 to 7000 years old so I'd hate to think how inaccurate they are at supposedly dating the Earth . And the way I see it why can "Scientist" tell us what the Earth was like way back then in an Evolutionist POV yet they can't tell the future so I'm going to leave this here because I think Kve argued with you before and I asked for a Proof of Evolution from you since you know so much you gave me drawings of two apes/man so I'm not going to bother argue with you again when I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine I don't care what you believe in I'm just spreading the Gospel.
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The only one who can say there is no God is God himself, one must look under every rock, hole and world in the universe, one must know all that there is and the ones who know all, see all can claim that there is no God but then they would be omnipotent and could by themselves claim to be God(s). Knowledge is power. but I myself believe that using the bible for evidence for a God is the same as using the deathly hallows harry potter books to prove that Harry Potter exists in this reality.
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Sixsmith wrote
I like how people want proof of God and Jesus when it's right in front of you...


There is no proof of God's existence, if there was, faith wouldn't be needed and we would be pointless in God's eyes because everyone would believe.


In the Book of Revelation it says
Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.

Well what's happening to the Euphrates? It's drying up.


Can you provide evidence that the Euphrates isn't drying up for non-religious reasons?
It's a staunch claim to say that because something is happening, it has to relate to a text which has a pretty loose connection.
It's drying up due to a drought in 2007 which means it will eventually 'fill up' again.
Also, the Biblical reason for it drying up is to allow troops to march across, looks like they couldn't predict motor boats, or airplanes...

Also Sodom and Gommorrah which is the Cities that got destroyed by God because of Adultry, Murder and all the Bad stuff. God destroyed these cities by Fire and Brimstone well.. Do some research and you will find that they have found both Cities and also Brimstone (A lot) and man made foundations.


Sorry but that's an outright lie.
I've Googled all over the place and the only sites which actually support those claims are Christian apologetic ones.
The reason why you can't find any on proper archaeology sites is because they haven't been found yet.
The story was also invented by Ron Wyatt, a known Christian archaeology fraud.
As for the 'Brimstone' it can be found easily and in large quantities in ancient lake beds, like the Dead Sea, and if Sodom and Gomorrah did exist along the Jordan Rift valley, it isn't hard to see how they could have been destroyed by a massive earthquake.

Now Noah's Ark has been found also where Moses crossed the Red Sea (Google "Where Moses crossed the Red Sea")


Noah's Ark? I'm guessing you're talking about the one in Turkey, I don't blame you for not mentioning that part.
What an obvious fraud, "They're keeping the location a secret." and it was found by Christian Evangelicals, of course they're going to find it, every single expedition to find Noah's Ark, ever, has been successful apparently.

And God is not "Evil" if you read Adam and Eve had a choice he gave them one command to follow (DO NOT EAT THE APPLES OF THAT TREE) but Eve was tempted by Satan (Lucifer) to eat the Apple (He was a Snake).


God put them in paradise, he then, obviously knowing that they would eat from it, put the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil into the Garden.
This is like me leaving two children alone in a room with a Haribo and telling them not to eat it, you've seen those adverts, what do they always end up doing?
Eating the Haribo.
They didn't even need Satan to tempt them, God knew what they were going to do, he programmed them that way.

Also the 3RD Temple (Google The Third Temple) won't go into detail.


So, the religious saw a temple described in the Bible and decided to build it.
Proof of... Inspiration...? :/

This is my POV so don't get angry I respect everyone's beliefs I've also read into Evolution but it seems that everyone says (There's Mountains of Evidence yet it's still a theory)

- Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he is fake God is based on Faith and when you come to think about so is Evolution.


I really wish people would nail this differentiation between a theory and a hypothesis.
A theory in science 'REQUIRES' mountains of evidence for it to even be considered a theory.
A hypothesis is what Christians have, God made the world, not much evidence.

Evolution doesn't require faith, it requires logic, you look at the evidence and you admit that maybe there is more to it, but for now, that's what you have.
Faith is believing something to be true with a lack of evidence.
Logic is believing something to be true because it has the most evidence supporting it.


Also, relating back to your first statement, none of what you have posted, even if it was all completely true archaeologically, would prove God's existence, none of it would even amount to evidence of God's existence.
It's events that may or may not have taken place and men who didn't understand what was happening explained it by saying God did it.

Look at the story of Beowulf, rooted in factual events, does that mean that Grendel was a demon and his mother was the last demon?
Gave birth to a dragon?

Absolutely not, it's nonsense, you can't prove that God exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't.

@xDARKxN1NJA
Well I guess it's a good thing that they don't date Carbon 14 to measure the age of the Earth then, isn't it?
They measure Uranium 238 to Lead 206 on meteorites, all of which, no matter where they come from are 4.5 Billion years old., proving that everything in the solar system, including Earth, is around 4.5 Billion years old.


Ok see you're one of the people that want evidence I gave you evidence and you come back with stupid things such as a drought to dry up Euphrates? It's obvious you haven't looked into it as you stated 2007 guess what? It's water levels are still dropping. And have you ever thought to yourself There are Christain archaeologist and most non-Christians rather go look for bones and other stuff to try prove Evolution? Yet "there's mountains of evidence" and carbon dating is inaccurate and I mean very inaccurate scientist say oh (This bone is One Billion years of age) guess what that bone would only be like 5000 to 7000 years old so I'd hate to think how inaccurate they are at supposedly dating the Earth . And the way I see it why can "Scientist" tell us what the Earth was like way back then in an Evolutionist POV yet they can't tell the future so I'm going to leave this here because I think Kve argued with you before and I asked for a Proof of Evolution from you since you know so much you gave me drawings of two apes/man so I'm not going to bother argue with you again when I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine I don't care what you believe in I'm just spreading the Gospel.


Ohhh I remember you.
Yeah... I think i'm done here.

Anyone who's interested can go back through my posts to see the 'debate' we had.

Just for clarity though;
1. They date rocks and meteorites to measure the Earth's age, not related to bone dating at all.
2. Droughts don't just end straight away, their effects last for a long time, you don't just have a huge drought, then one small drop of rain and bam everything's back to normal.
3. The Christian archaeologists all seem to be finding the things that Non-christian archaeologists aren't and they just so happen to be supporting the Bible, what a massive coincidence.
4. Evolution changes with the Earth, scientists can't predict what is going to happen in the future evolution of a species because they don't know what's going to end up affecting the environment that species lives in.
5. I gave you two pictures of some of the transitions of apes to men with bone structures and dates to confirm it.
I thought pictures might help you understand it a little better.

What an absolute waste of time replying to your post, you just overlooked it all in one fell swoop, nice.
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I_Briar_I wrote Here are a few of my opinions on this fact, first i was baptized and went to church when i was younger and it really didnt make any sense, also if you want your child to be a person to follow god you gotta start young. On to the statment all i gotta say is you look up into that wide open space and read all the fact about the bible saying that the earth is 3000 years old. we have bones that we have found of man that are 400,000years old. ( [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] ) also the space have billions of galaxys and moons and sons and life and it unreal. I had just taken in the more science part. Thats what made the most sense to me and its peoples right to think and believe what they want. I do not believe that god is real through the facts of the bible and the facts that have been put in front of me.


It actually doesn't say anywhere in the bible that Earth is 3000 years old. It doesn't say how old Earth is at all.

Also I would like to point out something that a lot of people debate about. When it says that God created Earth and the universe in 6 days it does not necessarily mean actual 24 hour days like we know. Since God didn't create the sun until the 4th day it wouldn't makes since to say that all of the days were 24 hours long. Also I'd like to point out that in 2 Peter 3:8 it says "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." This tells us that time is obviously irrelevant with God. So really each of those 6 days could have been millions of years old. That could all make since with how long it would take to form Earth and could explain why dinosaurs and other animals were much older than humans.

I am a Christian by the way and to other Christians (who this would apply to) I say science is not wrong. I think that most of it is somewhat right with how old everything is. Those 6 days God took to create Earth and the universe could actually be millions of years old. Just a thought.

This is exactly what my science teacher said in 8th grade!!
and I honestly don't see why atheists believe in what they believe. They don't believe in any possible way of salvation through a more powerful being. I'd rather take my chance with Christianity and say there is a God rather than be an atheist and if and when God does come to take us into heaven, I won't be one of the ones taken to hell with Satan. with christianity at least you have hope that you will be saved. but with atheists, theyre doomed whether or not God is real. Either way they get the bad side but if youre a christian, if God is real (which i believe he is) then you will be taken into heaven. I'm not trying to offend anyone in any way, shape, or form. just stating my opinion as others have.
Here's how I see it when people make that point. Before reading any further, remember that I'm not talking strictly about you, and this may not even apply to you, it's more of a generalization. The christians who say that they would rather take their chances with believing in a god rather than just denying it don't technically meet the standard for salvation. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't salvation achieved by whole-hearted belief in the god and the want to worship and spread his name indefinetely? If that's the case, then statements like that shouldn't even be existent. It's kind of like hopping onto the christian bandwagon for the chance it turns out being real that you would be safe. Some christian friends of mine claim that when you are truly saved, it changes your life forever and you won't feel the need to question his existence. That being said, are the ones who say that they would rather just take the chance of it being real and being safe TRULY saved?

Sorry if this didn't make sense, wasn't exactly sure how to word it.
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Sixsmith wrote
I like how people want proof of God and Jesus when it's right in front of you...


There is no proof of God's existence, if there was, faith wouldn't be needed and we would be pointless in God's eyes because everyone would believe.


In the Book of Revelation it says
Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.

Well what's happening to the Euphrates? It's drying up.


Can you provide evidence that the Euphrates isn't drying up for non-religious reasons?
It's a staunch claim to say that because something is happening, it has to relate to a text which has a pretty loose connection.
It's drying up due to a drought in 2007 which means it will eventually 'fill up' again.
Also, the Biblical reason for it drying up is to allow troops to march across, looks like they couldn't predict motor boats, or airplanes...

Also Sodom and Gommorrah which is the Cities that got destroyed by God because of Adultry, Murder and all the Bad stuff. God destroyed these cities by Fire and Brimstone well.. Do some research and you will find that they have found both Cities and also Brimstone (A lot) and man made foundations.


Sorry but that's an outright lie.
I've Googled all over the place and the only sites which actually support those claims are Christian apologetic ones.
The reason why you can't find any on proper archaeology sites is because they haven't been found yet.
The story was also invented by Ron Wyatt, a known Christian archaeology fraud.
As for the 'Brimstone' it can be found easily and in large quantities in ancient lake beds, like the Dead Sea, and if Sodom and Gomorrah did exist along the Jordan Rift valley, it isn't hard to see how they could have been destroyed by a massive earthquake.

Now Noah's Ark has been found also where Moses crossed the Red Sea (Google "Where Moses crossed the Red Sea")


Noah's Ark? I'm guessing you're talking about the one in Turkey, I don't blame you for not mentioning that part.
What an obvious fraud, "They're keeping the location a secret." and it was found by Christian Evangelicals, of course they're going to find it, every single expedition to find Noah's Ark, ever, has been successful apparently.

And God is not "Evil" if you read Adam and Eve had a choice he gave them one command to follow (DO NOT EAT THE APPLES OF THAT TREE) but Eve was tempted by Satan (Lucifer) to eat the Apple (He was a Snake).


God put them in paradise, he then, obviously knowing that they would eat from it, put the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil into the Garden.
This is like me leaving two children alone in a room with a Haribo and telling them not to eat it, you've seen those adverts, what do they always end up doing?
Eating the Haribo.
They didn't even need Satan to tempt them, God knew what they were going to do, he programmed them that way.

Also the 3RD Temple (Google The Third Temple) won't go into detail.


So, the religious saw a temple described in the Bible and decided to build it.
Proof of... Inspiration...? :/

This is my POV so don't get angry I respect everyone's beliefs I've also read into Evolution but it seems that everyone says (There's Mountains of Evidence yet it's still a theory)

- Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he is fake God is based on Faith and when you come to think about so is Evolution.


I really wish people would nail this differentiation between a theory and a hypothesis.
A theory in science 'REQUIRES' mountains of evidence for it to even be considered a theory.
A hypothesis is what Christians have, God made the world, not much evidence.

Evolution doesn't require faith, it requires logic, you look at the evidence and you admit that maybe there is more to it, but for now, that's what you have.
Faith is believing something to be true with a lack of evidence.
Logic is believing something to be true because it has the most evidence supporting it.


Also, relating back to your first statement, none of what you have posted, even if it was all completely true archaeologically, would prove God's existence, none of it would even amount to evidence of God's existence.
It's events that may or may not have taken place and men who didn't understand what was happening explained it by saying God did it.

Look at the story of Beowulf, rooted in factual events, does that mean that Grendel was a demon and his mother was the last demon?
Gave birth to a dragon?

Absolutely not, it's nonsense, you can't prove that God exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't.

@xDARKxN1NJA
Well I guess it's a good thing that they don't date Carbon 14 to measure the age of the Earth then, isn't it?
They measure Uranium 238 to Lead 206 on meteorites, all of which, no matter where they come from are 4.5 Billion years old., proving that everything in the solar system, including Earth, is around 4.5 Billion years old.


Knowledge is fun. You are one damn smart person
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Gods real, things don't just happen there are no coincidences. The fact that we are here and amazing beings is incredible enough. I don't trust scientist time has told that they are all liars so i don't trust anything they say. God is real.
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God is not real.

He is just like Santa.

Was a guy many, many years ago who did in fact go round delivering presents to people in a small town, he wore green and made tiny little presents himself. Then over the years as the story got spread/told over and over again, people added a little bit of to the original story and now we have a man wearing red flying around the whole world with magical reindeers and magical elfs working for him.

When a story gets repeatedly told/spread and little bits get added then the story evolves into something more ''incredible'' or ''fascinating''.
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OfficialLeon wrote Gods real, things don't just happen there are no coincidences. The fact that we are here and amazing beings is incredible enough. I don't trust scientist time has told that they are all liars so i don't trust anything they say. God is real.


Lets go ahead and break this down:

Gods real, things don't just happen there are no coincidences.


Wrong, put simply. There are coincidences, that is a completely unfounded statement.

The fact that we are here and amazing beings is incredible enough.


So merely because of the complexity and intelligence of life on Earth, a god must exist? You seem to think that you are not allowed to be amazed at these things unless you believe in a god or deity (one of the 3000 or so big ones over history, take your pick). I find the sheer diversity, and like I mentioned before complexity and intelligence of life on Earth, to be absolutely astounding. To know that you are nothing more than a smart ape, and see what the human race has achieved, is incredible. To know that billions of years ago, from an insignificant point in space, everything that every has been and will be originated. To see how Earth has formed, and out of millions and billions of planets, is one of the few or perhaps the only one, with sentient life on it is incredible. It amazes me to look at nature and think how it has evolved from single celled organisms in the primordial soup to become animals so advanced as human beings.

And knowing that this happened not because of a god, an all mighty creator that got bored and simply plopped down fully formed animals as he saw fit, but instead as a result of an infinitesimally small chance, and the wonders of evolution? Surely that is more amazing?

I don't trust scientist time has told that they are all liars so i don't trust anything they say.


Not even worthy of a response frankly.

God is real.


Where is your proof? Don't spurt out the typical "proof of god is all around you, you just can't see it". No. If you have proof of god's existence, please collect your Nobel Prize and be lauded as achieving man's most significant breakthrough. But wait. You can't.

And also, please don't say "you can't disprove it." No. This is your idea that you are supporting, that you have come up with. The burden of proof is on you, the believer. You started all this.

Please respond.
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OfficialLeon wrote Gods real, things don't just happen there are no coincidences. The fact that we are here and amazing beings is incredible enough. I don't trust scientist time has told that they are all liars so i don't trust anything they say. God is real.


The idea of coincidence is debatable, so stating that there are no coincidences is like stating 'there is no God' unprovable, so pointless.

The fact that we are here is amazing, undoubtedly, the chances that out of all the chaos of the early Universe, that the Earth would form just at the right distance from the Sun, that the atmosphere would be right to support life, that we would be bombarded by enough comets to give us our oceans, that the history of evolution has led to our ancestors travelling out of Africa, and that through centuries of breeding, you happened, if there ever was a 'miracle' that was it.
Or... not.
Given the size of the Universe [What we know and what we don't] It's pretty safe to say that life existing was inevitable, but because it's happened to you, it seems unbelievable.

Scientists, for the most part, don't 'lie', sometimes they propose a theory that is eventually proven wrong or a theory with more evidence will eventually take it's place.
There is a difference between that and lying.
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