Rickyisms wrote

002 wrote

Rickyisms wrote

002 wrote

Rickyisms wrote

002 wrote

Rickyisms wrote Americans are so stricken with fear that they feel they need killing machines in their home.

Not at all. I own multiple guns and I am not afraid of a damn thing. Come knockin down my door, you'll be greeted by two German Shepherds wandering who the hell you are while I am trying to decide which gun I want to shoot you with. Sorry, it's not fear, if anything guns provide security. Sorry British people don't get to feel it!

your willingness to shoot someone is one reason why people can't have guns lol. You're obviously scared that someone will one day come into your house.

So I have someone breaking into my house, putting my family in danger. What in the hell do you propose I do? Invite them in for some tea and help them load up my TVs? No, you protect your family by any means necessary. By using a firearm, you eliminate the potential of yourself getting hurt, and more often than not you don't have to shoot. Once they see a gun, they're gone.

Trust me, shooting someone is the LAST thing anyone wants to do. So much paperwork and investigations go with that, your guns go in lockup while the investigation goes on, it's just no good.

Let's dance in your world for a bit. Guns are too damn dangerous, so let's take them away. Just like in video games, all guns are gone, every last one of them, no one has a gun. Next best thing is knives. We take knives away, yet we need knives to prepare food, so how does that work? Anyway, we can still make bows and arrows to hurt people, we can still hurt them with cars, shovels, forks, hammers, etc. You need to stop focusing on the weapon being used, because bottom line is when you have groups of people, animals, what ever together, there will be fights, and there will be deaths. It's just nature. instead of focusing on taking away everything and padding everyone in bubble wrap, start by correcting the people in the first place, or realize that doing that is impossible and nature will take course and people need to deal with it like people.

I feel very safe in my home. At the end of the day, I have a HUGE tactical advantage over you in that based on your position on guns, I assume you don't own any. This means hat when SHTF, I can raid your house and you can't do anything about it because you're at gunpoint. Robberys are fairly common and go bad a lot. If someone brakes into my house, I know I have guns, I point it at them and if they don't run, I shoot and I am fine. You on the other hand, what do you do? Hide in the closet hoping they don't find you? After all, you don't have guns or knives. It's all about self preservation my friend. There are bad apples in this world, make sure you can defend yourself against one.

instead of giving guns to people how about trying to eliminate what causes crime and increase security of ones house? But I concede because I feel sick that you actually used the knives argument lol

Trying to eliminate what causes crime? Mind elaborating on that? What causes crime is people, are you giving me the green light to eliminate people?

Bottom line is you can't eliminate what causes crime, that is just a plain stupid thought.

look man they won't ever take guns away but it's just gotten out of control. Can you not see that? Schools and innocents getting killed by loads. These people aren't getting guns from Russian gun dealers, they're getting them from stores and people that bought them originally from stores. How many innocent men women and children will it take for you to realize that we the American people can't own such powerful killing machines

Like I told you, 0.003% of the population die by being shot that shouldn't. This is NOT an issue no matter how you look at it.

Guns! Don't take away my guns er I shoot yer!

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002 wrote Let's dance in your world for a bit. Guns are too damn dangerous, so let's take them away. Just like in video games, all guns are gone, every last one of them, no one has a gun.

Next best thing is knives. We take knives away, yet we need knives to prepare food, so how does that work? Anyway, we can still make bows and arrows to hurt people, we can still hurt them with cars, shovels, forks, hammers, etc. You need to stop focusing on the weapon being used, because bottom line is when you have groups of people, animals, what ever together, there will be fights, and there will be deaths.

Knives are completely different from guns and there's no need to ban them.

Firstly, to attack someone with a knife you need to get up close and physical. The majority of people who do school shootings or any gun crime, are insecure and not going to get up close where the other person can hurt them. That's why they use a gun, everyone runs when they see a gun. Nobody runs when they see a knife.

Japan has taken guns away and just holding a gun can land you a life sentence, yet they still allow knives. They also have a far lower crime rate, murder rate and no gun crime compared to America. There's also never been a school shooting in Japan either.

Guns allow you to kill a lot of people, very quickly and very easily. Interesting fact, medieval archers had to train for years before using a longbow because they required so much force to shoot (between 130-200lbs of force). Modern day bows neither require nor produce anywhere near as much force as a medieval longbow. I can guarantee that 90% of people wouldn't even be strong enough to pull the bow back.

002 wrote I feel very safe in my home. At the end of the day, I have a HUGE tactical advantage over you in that based on your position on guns, I assume you don't own any. This means hat when SHTF, I can raid your house and you can't do anything about it because you're at gunpoint.

This is completely irreverent. We live on the other side of the world and neither of us will be raiding each others houses anytime soon.

002 wrote Robberys are fairly common and go bad a lot. If someone brakes into my house, I know I have guns, I point it at them and if they don't run, I shoot and I am fine. You on the other hand, what do you do? Hide in the closet hoping they don't find you? After all, you don't have guns or knives. It's all about self preservation my friend. There are bad apples in this world, make sure you can defend yourself against one.

There's been one robbery in the last ten years that I can remember around my town and the reason that there's never any robberies is because nobody has any guns to rob people with. So to say that they're very common, is completely wrong in my situation.

In the very slim chance there's a robber and that they break through my double glazed windows then my burglar alarm will go off, thus revealing that they're trying to rob me to my whole street. They'll run away at that point. If they don't, I've a hurling stick upstairs, not to mention I'd call the police too.

I've had a few disagreements with you about this topic before so I don't want to start another big argument but I can't standby while you compare car deaths which are accidents to shootings which are murders.

As I've told you in several other threads, guns have nothing to do with crime. You have countries with high gun ownership and high crime, you have countries with low gun ownership and high crime, you have countries with high gun ownership and low crime, and you have countries with low gun ownership and low crime. Again, it comes down to people and cultures, not the weapon chosen to be used.

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Illustrated wrote

Veidt wrote This really shouldn't be this difficult. I'm just using pro-gun arguments against you.

I used to be a soldier so it's my job to protect people. I do that with my sarin gas.
I have the right to my sarin gas according to the constitution.

You and I could cross paths and never know that I have my sarin gas on me, but if some psycho was going to kill you I could pull out my sarin gas, threaten to release it and he would run away.
It's your choice to be a helpless victim, but that's your choice.

Why don't you explain to me why sarin gas is a bad comparison?

Except you're not using 'the pro-gun argument' against me.
It does not even compare. You honestly sound like a moron.

Yes I am. You say that very few people are killed in the US by guns. You say that most gun owners are sane people. You say that most gun owners are sensible with their weapons and lock them away in safes or keep the safety on. You say they are good for self defence.

So why don't you stop being so irrationally afraid of Sarin gas?

And using ad hominems against me isn't going to prove me wrong. That sounds like something a crying liberal would do.

Let's compare:

Guns kill 33,000 people every year in the US
Sarin gas kills 0

Most gun owners are sane people but a few crazy people get their hands on them and kill people.
Most sarin owners, if it were legal, would be scientists who would use it safely in experiments but a few crazy people would get their hands on it.
But the most people killed in a sarin terrorist attack has been 12. So it's not that big of a deal is it in comparison with the biggest gun terrorist attack death toll of 50.

If criminals want guns they will get guns anyway.
If criminals want sarin they will get sarin anyway.

Guns are good for self defense.
Sarin could be good for self defense.

Guns are regulated so that they can't kill huge numbers of people.
Sarin deployment devices could be regulated so that it couldn't kill huge numbers of people.

Most gun owners store their guns safely.
Sarin owners could store their sarin safely too.

See how great and much more safe America could be if Sarin were legal?

Oooo, I want to jump in on this one. Ok, you say guns kill 33k people anually. First off guns don't kill people, people kill people but at this point that's irrelevant. Over 20k of those deaths are SUICIDE, what you need to focus on is HOMOCIDE.

The difference between guns and sarin gas, is guns have multiple purposes and can't hurt a mass amount of people. Sarin gas can destroy entire cities, states, even countries. What is a good reason to own sarin gas that something doesn't take the place of?

I think they are important to have now just to protect yourself they are also fun to take to the shooting range. I have a few friends with a big arsenal of weapons.

002 wrote

Veidt wrote

Illustrated wrote

Veidt wrote This really shouldn't be this difficult. I'm just using pro-gun arguments against you.

I used to be a soldier so it's my job to protect people. I do that with my sarin gas.
I have the right to my sarin gas according to the constitution.

You and I could cross paths and never know that I have my sarin gas on me, but if some psycho was going to kill you I could pull out my sarin gas, threaten to release it and he would run away.
It's your choice to be a helpless victim, but that's your choice.

Why don't you explain to me why sarin gas is a bad comparison?

Except you're not using 'the pro-gun argument' against me.
It does not even compare. You honestly sound like a moron.

Yes I am. You say that very few people are killed in the US by guns. You say that most gun owners are sane people. You say that most gun owners are sensible with their weapons and lock them away in safes or keep the safety on. You say they are good for self defence.

So why don't you stop being so irrationally afraid of Sarin gas?

And using ad hominems against me isn't going to prove me wrong. That sounds like something a crying liberal would do.

Let's compare:

Guns kill 33,000 people every year in the US
Sarin gas kills 0

Most gun owners are sane people but a few crazy people get their hands on them and kill people.
Most sarin owners, if it were legal, would be scientists who would use it safely in experiments but a few crazy people would get their hands on it.
But the most people killed in a sarin terrorist attack has been 12. So it's not that big of a deal is it in comparison with the biggest gun terrorist attack death toll of 50.

If criminals want guns they will get guns anyway.
If criminals want sarin they will get sarin anyway.

Guns are good for self defense.
Sarin could be good for self defense.

Guns are regulated so that they can't kill huge numbers of people.
Sarin deployment devices could be regulated so that it couldn't kill huge numbers of people.

Most gun owners store their guns safely.
Sarin owners could store their sarin safely too.

See how great and much more safe America could be if Sarin were legal?

Oooo, I want to jump in on this one. Ok, you say guns kill 33k people anually. First off guns don't kill people, people kill people but at this point that's irrelevant. Over 20k of those deaths are SUICIDE, what you need to focus on is HOMOCIDE.

The difference between guns and sarin gas, is guns have multiple purposes and can't hurt a mass amount of people. Sarin gas can destroy entire cities, states, even countries. What is a good reason to own sarin gas that something doesn't take the place of?

OK. Obviously this isn't making sense to you. There is no pro-gun argument that you can bring up which I can't twist to being pro-sarin, except one.
If you want to test that then give it your best shot, but I'd rather focus on the point behind the Sarin analogy.

Pro-gun people always talk about how great guns are in response to people talking about how terrible guns are.
That isn't solving anything. You are talking past each other. What you pro-gun people should be doing is recognizing that the concerns that these people have are well founded and that there are better ways to solve them than regulating guns more or banning guns altogether.

The majority of gun homicides in the US are gang related and most gangs get their revenue through the drug trade. So if you sort out the drug problem in the US the gang problem largely goes away and the gun homicide rate goes down.

The mass shooting problem in the US isn't going to be solved by gun regulation. The mass shooting problem could be solved or at least severely lessened if the mental healthcare system in the US was improved. If schools and workplaces were trained to spot behaviors and trends which pop up before someone commits a mass shooting they could be prevented before the perpetrator even gets their hands on a gun.

You can feel free to carry on arguing with people about how guns are a right and so many people use them without issue, but you aren't even attempting to convince these people that the problem can be solved.

If you really think you are going to get people onboard with gun ownership by saying, "Yes people die, but not a huge amount, stop crying liberal!" when there are solutions to the problems they are raising to you then don't be surprised when more and more gun regulations are pushed through.

Ehh not to shabby

Ehh not to shabby

Dont really matter if you have them you have them and if you dont you dont.