Trans_Am wrote They can remove it from the capital building, but they can never remove my freedom of speech as I fly this beautiful flag proudly.
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Mostly being removed so they don't have riots like in Missouri, and Baltimore when things don't go peoples way...

It's an ugly flag and they're not trying to remove your freedom to fly it.
It's mostly being removed because it represents racism. Just like the Swastika represents social Darwinism and Eugenics.
If someone flew a Swastika and said 'I'm not a racist, it represents my heritage' you would laugh in their face.

So many ignorant people believe it represents racism. I woke up this morning to find out my wonderful state was getting rid of something it never should.

Jzsper wrote So many ignorant people believe it represents racism. I woke up this morning to find out my wonderful state was getting rid of something it never should.

How is it not racist?
None of you guys seem to be able to explain that, you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you.

Rhetoric wrote

Jzsper wrote So many ignorant people believe it represents racism. I woke up this morning to find out my wonderful state was getting rid of something it never should.

How is it not racist?
None of you guys seem to be able to explain that, you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you.

Just gonna throw a few things out there.

1. Abraham Lincoln, was extremely racist. He had loads of slaves, and he didn't want to let them live in the US. He wanted them to go back to Africa and never see them again. But of course, to you he isn't racist.

2. The confederacy was not fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the right to secede, which they very well had. The US as a whole seceded from Britain. Why couldn't the southern states have the right to do the same? Literally the war had very little to do with slavery, people just over-hype that idea and make themselves look very dumb.

3. That flag does represent history, many people died fighting on both sides. It still is a memory that shouldn't be forgotten.

4. And to your point about "you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you" when we say it isn't racist. How is it racist? Both sides had slaves. The leader of the Union had more slaves than just about anyone else. The flag does not represent slavery. Yes, it can be a painful reminder of the sins of our past, but the flag itself represents the rights of the states.

I could go on forever, but I have things to do.

Jzsper wrote

Rhetoric wrote

Jzsper wrote So many ignorant people believe it represents racism. I woke up this morning to find out my wonderful state was getting rid of something it never should.

How is it not racist?
None of you guys seem to be able to explain that, you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you.

Just gonna throw a few things out there.

1. Abraham Lincoln, was extremely racist. He had loads of slaves, and he didn't want to let them live in the US. He wanted them to go back to Africa and never see them again. But of course, to you he isn't racist.

2. The confederacy was not fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the right to secede, which they very well had. The US as a whole seceded from Britain. Why couldn't the southern states have the right to do the same? Literally the war had very little to do with slavery, people just over-hype that idea and make themselves look very dumb.

3. That flag does represent history, many people died fighting on both sides. It still is a memory that shouldn't be forgotten.

4. And to your point about "you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you" when we say it isn't racist. How is it racist? Both sides had slaves. The leader of the Union had more slaves than just about anyone else. The flag does not represent slavery. Yes, it can be a painful reminder of the sins of our past, but the flag itself represents the rights of the states.

I could go on forever, but I have things to do.

1. Where did you find that information? All articles I search for say that he didn't own slaves.
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Even if he did it would be a moot point. The US has since abolished slavery, the confederacy never had that chance, at the end of its life the confederacy supported slavery. And if Lincoln did have slaves of course I would consider him a racist, but as far as I can see he didn't.

2. They were fighting for the right to secede because they wanted to keep slaves, among other reasons.
You guys like to make it seem like a small thing like that even matters, whether it's a small thing or a big thing doesn't make a difference, the flag still supported slavery.

3. The Swastika represents German history, that's not an excuse for it to be flown on German public buildings though.

4. See #1

Rhetoric wrote

Jzsper wrote

Rhetoric wrote

Jzsper wrote So many ignorant people believe it represents racism. I woke up this morning to find out my wonderful state was getting rid of something it never should.

How is it not racist?
None of you guys seem to be able to explain that, you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you.

Just gonna throw a few things out there.

1. Abraham Lincoln, was extremely racist. He had loads of slaves, and he didn't want to let them live in the US. He wanted them to go back to Africa and never see them again. But of course, to you he isn't racist.

2. The confederacy was not fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the right to secede, which they very well had. The US as a whole seceded from Britain. Why couldn't the southern states have the right to do the same? Literally the war had very little to do with slavery, people just over-hype that idea and make themselves look very dumb.

3. That flag does represent history, many people died fighting on both sides. It still is a memory that shouldn't be forgotten.

4. And to your point about "you just say it isn't and hope nobody questions you" when we say it isn't racist. How is it racist? Both sides had slaves. The leader of the Union had more slaves than just about anyone else. The flag does not represent slavery. Yes, it can be a painful reminder of the sins of our past, but the flag itself represents the rights of the states.

I could go on forever, but I have things to do.

1. Where did you find that information? All articles I search for say that he didn't own slaves.
Even if he did it would be a moot point. The US has since abolished slavery, the confederacy never had that chance, at the end of its life the confederacy supported slavery. And if Lincoln did have slaves of course I would consider him a racist, but as far as I can see he didn't.

2. They were fighting for the right to secede because they wanted to keep slaves, among other reasons.
You guys like to make it seem like a small thing like that even matters, whether it's a small thing or a big thing doesn't make a difference, the flag still supported slavery.

3. The Swastika represents German history, that's not an excuse for it to be flown on German public buildings though.

4. See #1

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Did you even look that hard? Literally like the first thing that came up.

This is nothing like the Swastika. Even the Union had slaves at one point. And your wrong about the reason to secede. They seceded for states' rights and taxation issues. The flag didn't support slavery. It supported the confederacy. The confederacy withheld the idea that a state has its own rights. Don't make everything about slavery. That was of course part of it, but not in the slightest was it the motivating factor for seceding. Slavery is a horrible thing, for any race. I don't care what race you are I'm going to treat you the same. However, all these attacks on the confederate flag are unjust, uninformed, and quite honestly immature. People are looking for a superficial reason to criticize it, without doing any research.

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Did you even look that hard? Literally like the first thing that came up.

Fair enough, it's still a moot point though.

This is nothing like the Swastika. Even the Union had slaves at one point.

I already addressed that in my above post, the US changed, the confederacy didn't.

And your wrong about the reason to secede. They seceded for states' rights and taxation issues. The flag didn't support slavery. It supported the confederacy. The confederacy withheld the idea that a state has its own rights. Don't make everything about slavery. That was of course part of it, but not in the slightest was it the motivating factor for seceding.

You:
Don't make everything about slavery. That was of course part of it
Me:
Whether it's a small thing or a big thing doesn't make a difference, the flag still supported slavery.
This is where you say: The flag didn't support slavery it supported the confederacy, to which I say the confederacy supported slavery so the flag supported slavery by proxy.

ad hominem and explaining how you're not racist

Cool.

It isn't a moot point if the leader of the Union was racist. You act like the Union was fighting to only abolish slavery. If the government had it there way, there would be no African Americans in the US at all! Moot point? Really?

You say that it's like the swastika still? You said "the US changed, but the confederacy didn't?" Well with that logic, Germany changed too. So basically that's like the US with slavery if we use your comparison. It doesn't really work out well does it? They are nothing alike.

Your right about the flag supporting slavery. That's why I said it can be a reminder to the sins of our past. But, we have pictures of Abe Lincoln everywhere. He supported slavery too. Should we ban him? Come on. In your own words, it doesn't matter how big or small it is. People choose to look at it for slavery. Look at it as a symbol of rights for your state.

The reason I said I'm not racist, is because I have to. If I support this flag everyone assumes I'm automatically racist. Face it. Everyone says supporters of the flag is racist. I'm not racist. If I didn't have to say it I wouldn't have to. It isn't some justification of my opinion. I just don't want to be attacked over the internet for being racist when I'm not. This is turning into Youtube comments.

Jzsper wrote It isn't a moot point if the leader of the Union was racist. You act like the Union was fighting to only abolish slavery. If the government had it there way, there would be no African Americans in the US at all! Moot point? Really?

You say that it's like the swastika still? You said "the US changed, but the confederacy didn't?" Well with that logic, Germany changed too. So basically that's like the US with slavery if we use your comparison. It doesn't really work out well does it? They are nothing alike.

You are proving my point.
The reason Germany don't allow the Swastika on public buildings is because it is outdated and the country has changed.
Union - Changed
Confederacy - Didn't change
Germany - Changed
Nazis - Didn't change
Sensing a pattern here?

The German flag doesn't stand for social Darwinism any more so why would they ban it? Just like the stars and stripes don't stand for slavery any more, so why would they ban it?
The Swastika and the Confederate flag, on the other hand, both stood for racism, so of course they should be banned from public buildings.

Also, the US flag doesn't only represent the Government, it represents all of the people in that country.

Your right about the flag supporting slavery. That's why I said it can be a reminder to the sins of our past. But, we have pictures of Abe Lincoln everywhere. He supported slavery too. Should we ban him? Come on. In your own words, it doesn't matter how big or small it is. People choose to look at it for slavery. Look at it as a symbol of rights for your state.

Abraham Lincoln was only a man, and even if he did support slavery he still reached the good outcome, just like the entire US did with the abolishment of slavery.
The stars and stripes are now the symbol of rights for your states.

The reason I said I'm not racist, is because I have to. If I support this flag everyone assumes I'm automatically racist. Face it. Everyone says supporters of the flag is racist. I'm not racist. If I didn't have to say it I wouldn't have to. It isn't some justification of my opinion. I just don't want to be attacked over the internet for being racist when I'm not. This is turning into Youtube comments.

Those people are silly and you should ignore them.

You're missing the point, but that's ok. I have things to do lol. We all have our opinions and I completely respect yours (sorry if I came across bad). However, I still believe in what I said above, and I don't think some of your claims support you as well as you think they do. A lot of what your saying doesn't criticize the flag, so basically there is no super strong reason for taking it down. But it's whatever, good day sir.