Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than consoles, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, consoles offer better graphics for the price.

Anyone that says $400 is lying. You can do it with $550. But in the long run you save more money by going with PC because of games. My steam account is worth $1622.13 and only 4 games on there I bought at full price. Half of those I got in humble bundles so the actual amount I have payed is less than $500.
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Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than consoles, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, consoles offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Xbox budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Consoles already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Xbox/PS4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a PS4/Xbox One), no.

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than consoles, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, consoles offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Xbox budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Consoles already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Xbox/PS4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a PS4/Xbox One), no.

omg this just summed everything up

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than consoles, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, consoles offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Xbox budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Consoles already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Xbox/PS4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those consoles." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a PS4/Xbox One), no.

No one said that quote in this thread.

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than potatoes, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, potatoes offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Potato budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Potatoes already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Potato/Potato 4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a Potato 4/Potato One), no.

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With all shipping and taxes included, You can use a TV and a controller so no need for peripherals, that's like saying you need to include the cost of a TV with a Potato 4.

Please don't argue over $20, you would be so stupid to not spend $20 extra to get a PC with better performance than an XB1/Potato 4 and you als0 get all the added benefits of PC Gaming. Bearing in mind this is a Potato 4 Price match, you could do better with an Potato One Price match and also the fact that you have to pay for subscriptions and expensive games.

I'm 15 and I switched to PC when I was 13, I built mine at an early age and since then I've built for my friends and such.

It was an amazing choice to do so, games are flexible on PC in the way you can play any game mode you want. Games never get outdated and such. I was a full on console gamer from 6-13 and I've probably had a better experience on my PC for 2 years than my console for 7..

Yes they cost more but it will be worth it, so if you have been thinking about switching I'd go for it.

Homeland wrote

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than potatoes, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, potatoes offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Potato budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Potatoes already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Potato/Potato 4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a Potato 4/Potato One), no.

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Plus a copy of windows for $9 thetechgame.com

With all shipping and taxes included, You can use a TV and a controller so no need for peripherals, that's like saying you need to include the cost of a TV with a Potato 4.

Please don't argue over $20, you would be so stupid to not spend $20 extra to get a PC with better performance than an XB1/Potato 4 and you als0 get all the added benefits of PC Gaming. Bearing in mind this is a Potato 4 Price match, you could do better with an Potato One Price match and also the fact that you have to pay for subscriptions and expensive games.

Establish I wanna see a receipt of you purchasing all these products, thank you.

Homeland wrote

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than potatoes, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, potatoes offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Potato budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Potatoes already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Potato/Potato 4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a Potato 4/Potato One), no.

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Plus a copy of windows for $9 thetechgame.com

With all shipping and taxes included, You can use a TV and a controller so no need for peripherals, that's like saying you need to include the cost of a TV with a Potato 4.

Please don't argue over $20, you would be so stupid to not spend $20 extra to get a PC with better performance than an XB1/Potato 4 and you als0 get all the added benefits of PC Gaming. Bearing in mind this is a Potato 4 Price match, you could do better with an Potato One Price match and also the fact that you have to pay for subscriptions and expensive games.

1) Legit copy of Windows adds an extra $100 to the cost, so really it's about $500. I'm not pirating a copy of Windows, nor should I have to, plus the link doesn't work anyways.
2) Peripherals have to be added into the cost, which is an extra $10-20. It's more like if the PS4 didn't come with a controller to play on and you had to pay extra just to receive one. How am I going to even use a PC without a mouse and keyboard?
3) Games aren't that expensive on consoles, there's a simple thing called buying/selling used games, which you can't do with PC (Steam/Origin is much more popular on PC)
4)It's not as if my claims are outrageously unreasonable, I simply want a PC (with everything that I need to actually use it, which is what a console already comes with) that is more powerful than a console for the price.

Look, PC's are great, but there's a reason why people buy consoles; ease of use and price. I can buy a console for simply $400, hook it up to my TV, and everything's ready to go. With a PC, I have to spend a larger amount to get that usability factor, as there's still the copy of Windows (and mouse+keyboard) which factors into the price. Plus, I can game on a console for years and it's still able to run the latest games. Even today, the 360 can still run GTA V (low graphics, sure, but it can still run it), but a gaming PC for $500 eight years ago can't. More people tend to have consoles as well.

As it seems like this whole thread is full of people like you who worship and praise the power of a PC, I see this argument getting nowhere as I will not change my mind, and you will not change yours.

Establish wrote

Homeland wrote

Establish wrote

Jaxs wrote

Establish wrote But there's one factor that you fail to miss; price.

Show me a PC that you can build for $400 that has a legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping costs included in the price, and has better graphics than potatoes, and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

Most of the price claims mentioned by PC gamers are false, potatoes offer better graphics for the price.

Why peripherals and shipping cost? You don't buy a TV and plan it to be on your Potato budget. A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes.

Peripherals because I need something to play on. If I get a PC, I'll need a mouse and keyboard to use it. Potatoes already come with peripherals, PC's don't. I didn't say that a monitor needed to be included in the cost (although it should, everyone has a TV, but who really has a spare monitor lying around? I'll need to buy one anyways, adding to the cost).

Shipping costs because they're costs which add on to the original price. Unless you can find me a place that offers free shipping, it needs to be included in the price. It's similar to how if you buy an Potato/Potato 4 (or anything) from a place which has shipping costs, you factor in the cost of the shipping.

"A computer that is $400 custom built will probably be better than all of those potatoes." - No, no it won't. Legit copy of Windows + peripherals + shipping cost (all of which are factored into the price of a Potato 4/Potato One), no.

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Plus a copy of windows for $9 thetechgame.com

With all shipping and taxes included, You can use a TV and a controller so no need for peripherals, that's like saying you need to include the cost of a TV with a Potato 4.

Please don't argue over $20, you would be so stupid to not spend $20 extra to get a PC with better performance than an XB1/Potato 4 and you als0 get all the added benefits of PC Gaming. Bearing in mind this is a Potato 4 Price match, you could do better with an Potato One Price match and also the fact that you have to pay for subscriptions and expensive games.

1) Legit copy of Windows adds an extra $100 to the cost, so really it's about $500. I'm not pirating a copy of Windows, nor should I have to, plus the link doesn't work anyways.
2) Peripherals have to be added into the cost, which is an extra $10-20. It's more like if the Potato 4 didn't come with a controller to play on and you had to pay extra just to receive one. How am I going to even use a PC without a mouse and keyboard?
3) Games aren't that expensive on potatoes, there's a simple thing called buying/selling used games, which you can't do with PC (Steam/Origin is much more popular on PC)
4)It's not as if my claims are outrageously unreasonable, I simply want a PC (with everything that I need to actually use it, which is what a potato already comes with) that is more powerful than a potato for the price.

Look, PC's are great, but there's a reason why people buy potatoes; ease of use and price. I can buy a potato for simply $400, hook it up to my TV, and everything's ready to go. With a PC, I have to spend a larger amount to get that usability factor, as there's still the copy of Windows (and mouse+keyboard) which factors into the price. Plus, I can game on a potato for years and it's still able to run the latest games. Even today, the 360 can still run GTA V (low graphics, sure, but it can still run it), but a gaming PC for $500 eight years ago can't. More people tend to have potatoes as well.

As it seems like this whole thread is full of people like you who worship and praise the power of a PC, I see this argument getting nowhere as I will not change my mind, and you will not change yours.

Seriously, You are over thinking way too much.
Maybe a copy of windows 8.1 is $100 when it comes out but there are things called sales which bring the prices down, you could also get a copy of Windows 7 or Vista and run any game fine which will be really cheap.

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Its a Legit copy of windows of Windows 8.

Also if someone is wanting to buy a next gen console they most likely have a previous controller (Xbox 360 or PS3 Controller) which will work fine with any game, so no, you do not need to spend money on a keyboard and mouse and monitor.

Any any Modern PC today will last just as long as a PS4/XB1 as they use the x86 architecture which has been out for a very long time so all the optimisation tricks are already known unlike the PS3, Xbox 360.

So $420 will have you set for the next generation providing you with better performance and all the added benefits of PC gaming. It's pretty much a fact that you would be incredibly stupid to buy an Xbox One / PS4 when you can get superior hardware for the same price with lots more.

they're both good in their own right,

In my opinion a console is for the casual gamer

The PC for the more hardcore gamers who are willing to spend in somecases thousands to get a monster of a PC to run any game on highest settings.

where as a console for arround 400 is for people who like to play casually and still get good graphics and gameplay