R3vo wrote

Nyan wrote

fknvlink wrote Its the most probable thing. With all the data behind it and no real contradicting evidence it is much easier to believe than an all knowing being in the sky who hates gays and anyone who uses their free will.
However that being said no point in arguing with some one who doesn't want a debate. Everyone should be tolerant of everybody's beliefs.

You're very uneducated about religion huh? You must only think the Westboro "Baptist Church" is the face of Christianity, when really they're a cult who thinks they're Christian. The old testament may talk about gay marriage being wrong, but after Jesus's crucifixion and The New Testament, it's about all free will and sins being forgiving with faith. Even the pope came out a said that who was he to judge someone if they're homosexual and seek faith.

OT: Coming from someone raised Catholic but not really "religious" anymore per say, just believing in the Christian God but I don't go to church that often. I say who really knows. The bible is a complex diary of events that has been translated through many different languages.

If people believe in a theory that the universe started from absolutely nothing, then is it really that far fetched to believe maybe a God started it? After all it is the big bang theory. And the evolutionary theory. And the religious theory.

Is it really that wrong for someone to have a little faith in a God and where they may go in the afterlife with this messed up world we live in?

No there is absolutely no problem with believing in a God, unless churches are built instead of schools and hospitals, laws are past that are biased, people are hurt, wars started ect. People have the right to believe or not to believe in whatever they want but when that belief is doing more harm than good then in my eyes it is bad. Also you seem to misunderstand scientific theories. There is no "religious theory", a theory is something that a lot of time and effort goes into, there are facts to back it up.
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Again, you're also misinformed of Christians from the media based on these photos.

Christianity's main thing is about loving everyone no matter what. What you see to be Christians in the media are cults that try to misinform people by using old testament laws when Christianity is based on the new testament laws now. By your pictures you're assuming that I think everyone not believing is wrong and that I try to shove stuff down peoples throats and bash people. When it's the opposite and I'm open to tons of opinions and not one Christian I know hates gays. I and many other Christians could care less what people believe. I have atheist friends, agnostic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Gay, friends and I could care less of their beliefs. That was what my whole first post was about. Never once did I say I was right or someone else was wrong, nor did I say I cared what anyone believed.

I also respect others rights to have beliefs.
I also respect others rights to express them.

I also respect others as long as they respect me.(Double edged sword when it comes to topics like this because atheists can be quick to bashing religion.)

I have never told someone they were evil.
I have never told someone they were going to hell.
I have never pushed my beliefs on someone.

I do not respect ignorance, brainwashing, cults, hatred, bigotry, misogyny, sexism, or tyranny either.

Stop assuming things.

Nyan wrote

R3vo wrote

Nyan wrote

fknvlink wrote Its the most probable thing. With all the data behind it and no real contradicting evidence it is much easier to believe than an all knowing being in the sky who hates gays and anyone who uses their free will.
However that being said no point in arguing with some one who doesn't want a debate. Everyone should be tolerant of everybody's beliefs.

You're very uneducated about religion huh? You must only think the Westboro "Baptist Church" is the face of Christianity, when really they're a cult who thinks they're Christian. The old testament may talk about gay marriage being wrong, but after Jesus's crucifixion and The New Testament, it's about all free will and sins being forgiving with faith. Even the pope came out a said that who was he to judge someone if they're homosexual and seek faith.

OT: Coming from someone raised Catholic but not really "religious" anymore per say, just believing in the Christian God but I don't go to church that often. I say who really knows. The bible is a complex diary of events that has been translated through many different languages.

If people believe in a theory that the universe started from absolutely nothing, then is it really that far fetched to believe maybe a God started it? After all it is the big bang theory. And the evolutionary theory. And the religious theory.

Is it really that wrong for someone to have a little faith in a God and where they may go in the afterlife with this messed up world we live in?

No there is absolutely no problem with believing in a God, unless churches are built instead of schools and hospitals, laws are past that are biased, people are hurt, wars started ect. People have the right to believe or not to believe in whatever they want but when that belief is doing more harm than good then in my eyes it is bad. Also you seem to misunderstand scientific theories. There is no "religious theory", a theory is something that a lot of time and effort goes into, there are facts to back it up.
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Again, you're also misinformed of Christians from the media based on these photos.

Christianity's main thing is about loving everyone no matter what. What you see to be Christians in the media are cults that try to misinform people by using old testament laws when Christianity is based on the new testament laws now. By your pictures you're assuming that I think everyone not believing is wrong and that I try to shove stuff down peoples throats and bash people. When it's the opposite and I'm open to tons of opinions and not one Christian I know hates gays. I and many other Christians could care less what people believe. I have atheist friends, agnostic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Gay, friends and I could care less of their beliefs. That was what my whole first post was about. Never once did I say I was right or someone else was wrong, nor did I say I cared what anyone believed.

I also respect others rights to have beliefs.
I also respect others rights to express them.

I also respect others as long as they respect me.(Double edged sword when it comes to topics like this because atheists can be quick to bashing religion.)

I have never told someone they were evil.
I have never told someone they were going to hell.
I have never pushed my beliefs on someone.

I do not respect ignorance, brainwashing, cults, hatred, bigotry, misogyny, sexism, or tyranny either.

Stop assuming things.

Sorry for assuming things, looking back I should have stuck to my main point, you hinted that "theories" aren't really set in stone, and that there is a religious theory. Scientific theories are based off tons of peered review work and scrutiny. Also just because we don't know exactly what happened yet doesn't mean it is supernatural. And again sorry for throwing a label on you but if you saw the names I have been called on twitter by theist you wouldn't wonder why I threw a standard Christian label on you, in my experience you are a minority.

Thank you, I respect you for that.

[quote="Nyan"]

fknvlink wrote

If people believe in a theory that the universe started from absolutely nothing, then is it really that far fetched to believe maybe a God started it? After all it is the big bang theory. And the evolutionary theory. And the religious theory.

Agreed with mostly everything else... because the start of the universe is kind of ridiculous to even debate, when I am clueless.

But this paragraph is total bs. There is no religious theory. The theory of evolution is in the same category as the theory of gravity and the theory of relativity. A theory is not a guess. It's not a book claimed to be holy. It is a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that are supported by testing over and over and over again. They are as close to true as true can get. They are de facto facts, if you will.

[quote="Cen"]

Nyan wrote

fknvlink wrote

If people believe in a theory that the universe started from absolutely nothing, then is it really that far fetched to believe maybe a God started it? After all it is the big bang theory. And the evolutionary theory. And the religious theory.

Agreed with mostly everything else... because the start of the universe is kind of ridiculous to even debate, when I am clueless.

But this paragraph is total bs. There is no religious theory. The theory of evolution is in the same category as the theory of gravity and the theory of relativity. A theory is not a guess. It's not a book claimed to be holy. It is a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that are supported by testing over and over and over again. They are as close to true as true can get. They are de facto facts, if you will.

Of course there's not a "scientific theory", but the definition says...
theory
THr,THi()r
noun
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Religion is a supposition and system of ideas and in this case intended to explain something.

I'm not going to reply anymore because I hate talking about religion because people seem to think I'm shoving it down your throat when I really could careless what people believe.

I don't believe in anything. I can't quite understand how one magical being in the sky could create everything, but then again, I don't understand how everything could start from nothing. In all honesty, I haven't done very much research on these theories. Mainly, because I don't care. Everyone is the same and having different beliefs causes hostility between people a lot, so I choose to not believe at all. I'm open-minded. There could be a god, there might not be but there are literally 1000's of religions so that doesn't necessarily mean that you're god is the right one. I do think that if their was never such thing as religion, then we would be years ahead(technologically speaking). However, that's not a fact, simply my opinion.

The one thing I can't stand is when people try to ram their religion/opinion/belief down my throat. That is completely irritating and pathetic.

I Come from a religious Family and in no way do i believe some dude created the earth , animals humans
ect
also with 0 evidence of this.
Its like believing Youtubers when they make fake release dates for GTA

[quote="Nyan"]

Cen wrote

Nyan wrote

fknvlink wrote

If people believe in a theory that the universe started from absolutely nothing, then is it really that far fetched to believe maybe a God started it? After all it is the big bang theory. And the evolutionary theory. And the religious theory.

Agreed with mostly everything else... because the start of the universe is kind of ridiculous to even debate, when I am clueless.

But this paragraph is total bs. There is no religious theory. The theory of evolution is in the same category as the theory of gravity and the theory of relativity. A theory is not a guess. It's not a book claimed to be holy. It is a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that are supported by testing over and over and over again. They are as close to true as true can get. They are de facto facts, if you will.

Of course there's not a "scientific theory"



I'm not going to reply anymore because I hate talking about religion because people seem to think I'm shoving it down your throat when I really could careless what people believe.

Precisely. There is not. That's all I care about.

Religion is a summary of how God created, influences, and guides our lives and the universe. Science is our understanding of the step by step process God uses to do his work. One who has faith in both will truly understand not only how life began, but where it is going.

I can get behind evolution since it does have evidence to back it up. I think it is kind of foolish if someone dismissed the evidence. I mean, if they want to take the evidence and try to place other theories for the evidence, that is fine. Totally ignoring evidence is not an ok thing to do. Not going to go on the topic of religion though. Those topics tend to be frowned upon, and I don't feel like getting a warning over something as minor as a religious discussion.