Xbox One's online DRM "could have been fine", says Xbox co-creator

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The man who led development on the very first Xbox console has chimed in on the Xbox One's past and present fortunes, observing that the console's original online policies might have been workable, had Microsoft "fixed" them rather than dropping the whole scheme.

"I think the digital distribution/DRM thing could have been fine if they had just used Steam as their model," former vice president of game publishing Ed Fries commented in an AMA last week. "But they proposed something that wasn't like Steam and wasn't good for their customers.

"Then when people complained they completely got rid of it instead of fixing it to be what people want. Hopefully now that they have more time they will fix that mess."

Many players and industry figures welcomed the policy change, but others were critical. "This sensible decision will help to lance the boil of criticism that Microsoft has received," observed TIGA's Richard Wilson as part of a roundtable conversation with OXM.

BAFTA games chair Harvey Elliott was less pleased, commenting that "I'm disappointed that the digital download features like game sharing and lending to your friends are being dropped - it's not completely clear why this couldn't co-exist with the removal of online DRM for physical media, and [the features] would help Microsoft lead how gamers manage their digital content."

According to Epic Games man Cliff Bleszinski, the policy might have survived had Microsoft "handled" the backlash better. "Microsoft tried to and ultimately couldn't have it both ways," he wrote. "You can't still have discs and then expect everyone to embrace digital. And, fundamentally, if you take something away that a consumer has been used to without some seriously smooth handling they're naturally going to get upset."

Where do you stand on the matter, now that the dust has settled? A number of Xbox One fans have started a petition to restore certain digital licensing features. At the time of writing it has 29,005 signatories.

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DanimalsPosted:

Thespian
VIT
Warzoh Steam is 10x better then microsoft steam has amazing sales


i kinda agree in a scene, but DRM is not everything.


Well steam always has good sales thats why there doing so good


yeah i have to admit steam has way better sales than xbox. i noticed that yesterday

SayPosted:

TitanFall
Say
-CP
Say People are missing the point Microsoft is not like Valve/Steam, they have awful sales if any when Steam has tons that are great.


That has absolutely nothing to do with this at all. You are just another person who doesn't understand what this means. Please stop trying to spread your ignorance.


What? Lol this is why people didn't want DRM through microsoft. They do not offer the deals that Justifies digital only and one time use of disc. You sir are ignorant. If Microsoft didnt want to charge near full price for old games id be fine with it but they don't. DRM with xbox one would be paying $60 for a game thats not worth 4 months after its out.


Oh okay well i bought tombraider and thief last week digital for 50% off isn't that a good deal or do you want 95% off??


Yea and they have been 75% off Steam lol

AftermarketPosted:

Potion I wish it had DRM because i'm sure it would've been exactly like the steam platform.


Yeah apart from there wouldn't be any sales, second hand game shops etc.

itomniPosted:

Wish they never changed it. At least They fallow the number one rule for a business customers always right. No one else does that's why this company is in the top 20 richest.

LatiasPosted:

ODST
nellis2010
Pashtun
ODST
-CP The problem is that the public is uneducated. Anyone who has Steam knows this would have been for the best, but the uneducated masses still somehow get what they want (even when they are completely wrong).


The online DRM would have caused games to only be purchasable by disk or in the marketplace. The disk would've been a one time use and then became a key card to be able to play that single game every time you wanted to play that single game. You would have to physically change disks to play content that was fully downloaded to your console. The only other option would have been to buy from the marketplace which has almost no sales or has terrible ones. The original policy was similar to steam except that the key to the game was a physical key (the disks) and only one person could own it at a time causing you not to be able to sell or buy a used game. If Microsoft would have gone full digital and been modeled similar to steam, rather than half-a** the migration to eventual digital only like they planned, everything would've been good.
Those of you who say that if the Xbox One had DRM, it would have steam sales are completely wrong. The only place you can buy games digitally would be the Microsoft games store. Microsoft can charge any price they want since they have a monopoly one you. There is no competition. Steam on the other hand has huge sales because PC users can choose if they want Steam or Origin or whatever. They both compete and have competition that is why Steam has huge sales. Getting rid of the DRM was the best for the Xbox One but I would like to see it otherwise because I the Xbox One is the cancer of gaming.


And then you are completely wrong the devs set the prices on the console you idiot microsoft set prices on there own games. Microsoft where doing this so that the devs would be getting more money as no pre owned games which would allow devs to do what they wanted with the prices this basically allowing a steam type system, they were also exploring possibilities of selling your digital games back for money.


While yes the money would bring more profit to devs, Microsoft marketplace has final say on the price of games on their store. Last time I checked, most old games that you see come from Games with Gold are already priced around $20-$15, largest splurge I've seen from them though is the still $30 on the marketplace Halo 3. $30 for a super old game, regardless of it becoming Free for a limited time, is unreasonable. Also, don't know where you heard the rumor from but you will never be able to sell digital content back for a reduction of the price paid.

-CP you love to mention how DRM would be great. But you always forget to mention they Steam has an offline mode. The XB1 DRM would have effectively made the console a brick, steam doesn't do that to any machines.

TravitorPosted:

Warzoh Steam is 10x better then microsoft steam has amazing sales


i kinda agree in a scene, but DRM is not everything.

DJMarkyMarkPosted:

What really hurt them was they did a horrible job at introducing the DRM. They were very unclear as to what would be allowed and what wouldn't.

I think the gaming community would of accepted it a lot better if they had done better at revealing it. I personally wouldn't of minded it.

ODSTPosted:

nellis2010
Pashtun
ODST
-CP The problem is that the public is uneducated. Anyone who has Steam knows this would have been for the best, but the uneducated masses still somehow get what they want (even when they are completely wrong).


The online DRM would have caused games to only be purchasable by disk or in the marketplace. The disk would've been a one time use and then became a key card to be able to play that single game every time you wanted to play that single game. You would have to physically change disks to play content that was fully downloaded to your console. The only other option would have been to buy from the marketplace which has almost no sales or has terrible ones. The original policy was similar to steam except that the key to the game was a physical key (the disks) and only one person could own it at a time causing you not to be able to sell or buy a used game. If Microsoft would have gone full digital and been modeled similar to steam, rather than half-a** the migration to eventual digital only like they planned, everything would've been good.
Those of you who say that if the Xbox One had DRM, it would have steam sales are completely wrong. The only place you can buy games digitally would be the Microsoft games store. Microsoft can charge any price they want since they have a monopoly one you. There is no competition. Steam on the other hand has huge sales because PC users can choose if they want Steam or Origin or whatever. They both compete and have competition that is why Steam has huge sales. Getting rid of the DRM was the best for the Xbox One but I would like to see it otherwise because I the Xbox One is the cancer of gaming.


And then you are completely wrong the devs set the prices on the console you idiot microsoft set prices on there own games. Microsoft where doing this so that the devs would be getting more money as no pre owned games which would allow devs to do what they wanted with the prices this basically allowing a steam type system, they were also exploring possibilities of selling your digital games back for money.


While yes the money would bring more profit to devs, Microsoft marketplace has final say on the price of games on their store. Last time I checked, most old games that you see come from Games with Gold are already priced around $20-$15, largest splurge I've seen from them though is the still $30 on the marketplace Halo 3. $30 for a super old game, regardless of it becoming Free for a limited time, is unreasonable. Also, don't know where you heard the rumor from but you will never be able to sell digital content back for a reduction of the price paid.

GaryPosted:

I wish it had DRM because i'm sure it would've been exactly like the steam platform.

MaggardoPosted:

I didn't really like the idea of DRM on the Xbox One. They just messed it up, somethings were great. Others.. Well, not so much.