CoD Developer Seeks Balance Between “Quickscopers” and “Hardscopers”

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David Vonderhaar, Gameplay Designer at Treyarch, sits down with Call of Duty fans in an attempt to find peace in the war between “quickscopers” and “hardscopers”.

First, a quick definition of terms: A “quickscoper” can be considered someone who fires a high-powered rifle (usually a bolt-action sniper rifle in this case) immediately after acquiring a target using the game’s built-in crosshairs, taking little to almost no time to aim down the the sights of the rifle scope; a risky but efficient maneuver. “Hardscopers” seek targets in the more traditional sense of scanning the battlefield while aimed down the sights of a rifle scope and firing from this scoped state, usually from an advantageous position.

Along with the rise of quickscoping — a technique that caught some attention possibly during the CoD 2 era, but gained commercial popularity during Modern Warfare 2 — came the controversial debate of whether it can be considered a legitimate technique, or does it exploit the mechanics of a first-person shooter, giving an unfair advantage to the user? Call of Duty developers, Treyarch, made conscious effort to keep 2010′s Black Ops free of such “exploitations”, while Infinity Ward’s recent Modern Warfare 3 embraced it with open arms.

In a conversation with Call of Duty fans, Vonderhaar stated, “I’d like to sit down with the worlds best drag & quickscopers and those who despise it and find something directly in the middle.” He continued, “ADS [Aim Down Sight] sway as well as the ADS and hipfire aim assist (ranges) are tunable on a per gun level. Let’s do this.” To get down to specifics, he then proposed, “.4 ADS raise time. No ‘random bullet.’ Limited hip fire aim assist (MW1 was 1000 inches of hip fire aim assist). Thoughts?” He then clarified that “0.4 is the average on a MW1 style sniper.”

Some fans have expressed concern over receiving only a hit marker when achieving a clear shot to the chest in Black Ops. Vonderhaar explained that this is common “when you are used to ‘chest’ being all the same thing.” However, he admits, ”we wanted it to be a precision shot. Upper torso or head but it was probably too confusing in the end.” It “also had to do with penetration settings,” he added. “You can’t hit a guy in the chest without hitting his arms and hands and sometimes gun first,” which may have added to players’ frustrations.

Vonderhaar was also asked if the possibility of removing aim assist was optional, something that many quickscope nay-sayers would argue is the source of their frustration. He replied, “Yes. It’s now possible to remove aim (hip and ads) from a gun. He also admitted, “the gun not shooting straight till 100% scoped in caused a lot of confusion and frustration for snipers.”

To close, Vonderhaar stated these words: “Balance. That place in the middle where everyone is equally pissed off. Thanks for sharing your passion with me. Reading every reply.”

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Source: http://mp1st.com/2012/02/18/call-of-duty-developer-seeks-balance-between-quickscopers-and-hardscopers/

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alexander85Posted:

Gluten Quickscoping is good. I quickscope my self and trick shot.

But when 8 year old try hards try there pants off at the highest level in the game is just dumb. You will not have a good game with Hitmarkers and Shielt Of Hand Pro doesnt work on a sniper. If that happens to Black Ops 2, I will complain to Treyarch That "this game sukks hard core". So please make good snipers and Make Trickshotting happen in Future Cods.
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TTg_cntbanusallPosted:

waaaaaat OMFG.

See this **** game and the community that runs it is complete garbage now. I dont even know what to say.

Sniping is sniping. CoD2 was TOO **** EASY. CoD4 had it down pretty good. BUT then mw2 JUST RUINED IT. SoH comes out, and every 15yr old scrub on the face of this earth thinks they can snipe. They complain when they get hardscoped, as if they had the slightest bit of skill to hit a shot in the first place. And now? omg I honestly didnt think sniping could be any easier! ffs, in MW3 theres no sway at all within the perfect moment to quickscope. No dragging required or adjusting. Its **** pathetic. Ive been a competitive sniper for 3 years now. And it just disgusts me to see what cod has turned into. And being a comp sniper for 3 years. I can tell you right now that the aim assist has little to do with how quickscoping works. Ive played pc for 6 years now since cod1 all the way up. And quickscoping or strategically sniping is what it truly is, is just as easy. Aim assist does hardly anything, only in those cqb situations does it help. And frankly if you cant hit a shot at that range you shouldn't complain about anything because you're too awful.

TLDR = basically cod4 wins, and anyone who uses SoH and quickdraw or the MSR is a **** scrub and should drop scope for good and just stick to mw3 because they're just a mainstream **** who conforms to the console take over which is ruining the entire gaming community. Just like how all the **** you hear on the radio now. Lil Wayne? Kesha? you have to be **** joking me.

Want to fix the community?
1. Grow balls.
2. Put away the "cheap" **** to get kills or easy quickscopes.
3. **** off.


You can't compare lil Wayne to MW3 that is just stupid. And did you have a point to your long boring post? Also, I couldn't understand anything past all the **** and the *****, so?

Quit living in the past and comparing all the new coda to MW1

ImaginePosted:

I think cod4 was prefect.
I myself am a Quick scoper. I would love for it to be like MW2 OR MW3 all the time.


SO maybe they should just make it like cod4.
I though that was a perfect balance.

ZombieJuicerPosted:

waaaaaat
waaaaaat OMFG.

See this **** game and the community that runs it is complete garbage now. I dont even know what to say.

Sniping is sniping. CoD2 was TOO **** EASY. CoD4 had it down pretty good. BUT then mw2 JUST RUINED IT. SoH comes out, and every 15yr old scrub on the face of this earth thinks they can snipe. They complain when they get hardscoped, as if they had the slightest bit of skill to hit a shot in the first place. And now? omg I honestly didnt think sniping could be any easier! ffs, in MW3 theres no sway at all within the perfect moment to quickscope. No dragging required or adjusting. Its **** pathetic. Ive been a competitive sniper for 3 years now. And it just disgusts me to see what cod has turned into. And being a comp sniper for 3 years. I can tell you right now that the aim assist has little to do with how quickscoping works. Ive played pc for 6 years now since cod1 all the way up. And quickscoping or strategically sniping is what it truly is, is just as easy. Aim assist does hardly anything, only in those cqb situations does it help. And frankly if you cant hit a shot at that range you shouldn't complain about anything because you're too awful.

TLDR = basically cod4 wins, and anyone who uses SoH and quickdraw or the MSR is a **** scrub and should drop scope for good and just stick to mw3 because they're just a mainstream **** who conforms to the console take over which is ruining the entire gaming community. Just like how all the **** you hear on the radio now. Lil Wayne? Kesha? you have to be **** joking me.

Want to fix the community?
1. Grow balls.
2. Put away the "cheap" **** to get kills or easy quickscopes.
3. **** off.


Btw. PM me if you think you're that little 15 year old **** that complains so I can put you in your place.


its a game... no-life much??

AussieguyPosted:

Honestly , why do people quick scope, is it to show off and post videos to brag how good they are ? I think if there was no Theater mode or couldn't upload their videos they wouldn't even bother doing it.

I get so many people in games doing 360 no scopes jumping off edges trying to hit me. You can't say that's not to brag.

waaaaaatPosted:

waaaaaat OMFG.

See this **** game and the community that runs it is complete garbage now. I dont even know what to say.

Sniping is sniping. CoD2 was TOO **** EASY. CoD4 had it down pretty good. BUT then mw2 JUST RUINED IT. SoH comes out, and every 15yr old scrub on the face of this earth thinks they can snipe. They complain when they get hardscoped, as if they had the slightest bit of skill to hit a shot in the first place. And now? omg I honestly didnt think sniping could be any easier! ffs, in MW3 theres no sway at all within the perfect moment to quickscope. No dragging required or adjusting. Its **** pathetic. Ive been a competitive sniper for 3 years now. And it just disgusts me to see what cod has turned into. And being a comp sniper for 3 years. I can tell you right now that the aim assist has little to do with how quickscoping works. Ive played pc for 6 years now since cod1 all the way up. And quickscoping or strategically sniping is what it truly is, is just as easy. Aim assist does hardly anything, only in those cqb situations does it help. And frankly if you cant hit a shot at that range you shouldn't complain about anything because you're too awful.

TLDR = basically cod4 wins, and anyone who uses SoH and quickdraw or the MSR is a **** scrub and should drop scope for good and just stick to mw3 because they're just a mainstream **** who conforms to the console take over which is ruining the entire gaming community. Just like how all the **** you hear on the radio now. Lil Wayne? Kesha? you have to be **** joking me.

Want to fix the community?
1. Grow balls.
2. Put away the "cheap" **** to get kills or easy quickscopes.
3. **** off.


Btw. PM me if you think you're that little 15 year old **** that complains so I can put you in your place.

bayyjorPosted:

-Disaster I say, Make a Sniper Only Game Type.
Leave the quickscopers and hardscopers battle in there not having to worry about SubMachineGuns and ARs.
But also, allow snipers in normal game types, so they can if they want.
This is a great idea, i hope treyarch can find a way to implement this into black ops 2, or whatever it will be called

waaaaaatPosted:

OMFG.

See this **** game and the community that runs it is complete garbage now. I dont even know what to say.

Sniping is sniping. CoD2 was TOO **** EASY. CoD4 had it down pretty good. BUT then mw2 JUST RUINED IT. SoH comes out, and every 15yr old scrub on the face of this earth thinks they can snipe. They complain when they get hardscoped, as if they had the slightest bit of skill to hit a shot in the first place. And now? omg I honestly didnt think sniping could be any easier! ffs, in MW3 theres no sway at all within the perfect moment to quickscope. No dragging required or adjusting. Its **** pathetic. Ive been a competitive sniper for 3 years now. And it just disgusts me to see what cod has turned into. And being a comp sniper for 3 years. I can tell you right now that the aim assist has little to do with how quickscoping works. Ive played pc for 6 years now since cod1 all the way up. And quickscoping or strategically sniping is what it truly is, is just as easy. Aim assist does hardly anything, only in those cqb situations does it help. And frankly if you cant hit a shot at that range you shouldn't complain about anything because you're too awful.

TLDR = basically cod4 wins, and anyone who uses SoH and quickdraw or the MSR is a **** scrub and should drop scope for good and just stick to mw3 because they're just a mainstream **** who conforms to the console take over which is ruining the entire gaming community. Just like how all the shit you hear on the radio now. Lil Wayne? Kesha? you have to be **** joking me.

Want to fix the community?
1. Grow balls.
2. Put away the "cheap" shit to get kills or easy quickscopes.
3. **** off.

TTg_cntbanusallPosted:

1. I don't quick scope. It does take skill to be good at it, anyone who says it doesn't is just ignorent.

2. Quickscopers that bag on hardscopers are just stupid, using the sniper to it's fullest potential and getting kills either way is fine.

3. I hope treyarcs next COD is similar to black ops. Just because it took more skill and all the 12 year old quickscopers suck at sniping. It actually took skill in black ops to quick scope and get the kill.

4. To the people saying it's luck, thats stupid, there is a specific way to quickscope and it does take skill. 360 no scoping most of the time is mostly skill with a little bit of luck.

GlutenPosted:

Quickscoping is good. I quickscope my self and trick shot.

But when 8 year old try hards try there pants off at the highest level in the game is just dumb. You will not have a good game with Hitmarkers and Shielt Of Hand Pro doesnt work on a sniper. If that happens to Black Ops 2, I will complain to Treyarch That "this game sukks hard core". So please make good snipers and Make Trickshotting happen in Future Cods.