Is Call of Duty Better Without KDR? CoD Gameplay Designer Answers

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Treyarch Developer, David Vonderhaar, speaks with Call of Duty fans about what role statistics play in a first-person shooter.

“I don’t understand the argument [Call of Duty] is better without KDR,” Vonderhaar stated in response to a number of fans wishing for the abolishment of in-game stats, specifically the kill-to-death ratio. This can be a touchy subject for many FPS enthusiasts. Questions like, “does the k/d ratio truly measure ones skill?” are usually asked when it comes to this topic. Some arguments that you might see against the inclusion of a k/d ratio in any FPS is that it places too much importance on shooting down enemies when the objective of the game type might be something completely different like planting bombs or capturing flags. Of course, this topic is very subjective and can completely depend on how much importance you give to your stats. “If you freak out over your stats … that just makes you a freak. If you obsess over other peoples stats … that just makes you obsessive,” Vonderhaar jokingly yet truthfully stated. He also mentioned that “stats works both ways. You also need to measure if you are getting better.” Vonderhaar has recently been gathering a lot of feedback from the Call of Duty community, most likely in preparation for Treyarch’s title. Make sure to heck out Treyarch Dev: “Perks Are a Reason Why CoD Isn’t Natively Competitive”.

So far, Treyarch’s last title, Call of Duty: Black Ops, did an exceptional job of including objective-based stats on the in-game leaderboards on top of your k/d ratio, something that Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare 3 has yet to implement, though it was recently hinted at.

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Source: http://mp1st.com/2012/01/22/is-call-of-duty-better-without-kdr-cod-gameplay-designer-answers/

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ErectingPandaPosted:

KDR or not, I'll still poop on kids. I would probably rage alot less. lol, should go for MLG but going positive 20+ every game in ground war is more fun. I like throwing it in kids faces that they are terrible.

iSpotPosted:

Personally It would not bother me at all if they got rid of kill death ratio. It does give people an idea of how "competitive" or "try hard" you are, which can come handy when putting together a team. I do find k/d ratio stressful sometimes, and I find myself dashboarding, rage quitting, and camping at times just so my k/d ratio wont drop (and I know that im not the only one). It would be nice, just to run around and not worry about stats sometimes.

coolbunny1234Posted:

quotes below me are nuts...but on topic, i think k/d does matter, gives the game a more competitive edge

stephen219Posted:

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o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
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I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

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ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

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16th that shiz!!!!! :)


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DerkzPosted:

I hate KDR because people will say that your bad, but everyone plays different. You got good games, and very bad games. I think they should stop with KDR

ImWretchedPosted:

In my own opinion Black Ops had the right way to do the leader boards with score per minute and not just accumulative score to where people are basically encouraged to boost. You still had a K/D Ratio but it was not what got you on the top of the leader boards it was a bonus to your player card if it was good. It broke down all your stats in a specific game type the are "ACTUALLY" important, and not just tell you how many kills you have had in the particular game type. It made the system actually enjoyable and when you ran into people that where high you knew you needed to do some work this game.

With this said and have been playing since CoD 2 I felt that Treyarch are taking the reins of the franchise. They are actually trying to make a strive to better the game. Me and everyone here who is a CoD fan has to agree with me on this that we hope Infinity Ward will pull their heads out of their ass and actually make a better game next time around. If they don't well i probably will stop buying the game every midnight release.

HumanPosted:

if there was no k/d i'd rage a lot less :P

NicPosted:

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o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Ill 13th it

ill 14th it
Ill 15th that !!!

16th that shiz!!!!! :)


I 17th that!

C_Ccombo breaker!
Just kidding. :) I 18th that

hmm, i agree with you all, ill 19th that!!


I also agree ill 20th that.


I Will 21st That

I'll 10th that.
Wait, what...?

DolphZigglerPosted:

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o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Ill 13th it

ill 14th it
Ill 15th that !!!

16th that shiz!!!!! :)


I 17th that!

C_Ccombo breaker!
Just kidding. :) I 18th that

hmm, i agree with you all, ill 19th that!!


I also agree ill 20th that.


I Will 21st That

YorkshirePosted:

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o____O I think if KD wasn't a factor in CoD people woulnd't try so hard and rage so much.
I second that
I third that o:


I fourth that. I hate when people think K/D is all that. When you basically need gun skill, good callouts and map knowledge to win thats pretty much all.

ill join the club and fifth that. im one of the people who worry about k/d too much if they made it more like halo where k/d really isnt a huge factor then it would be better. On halo the only thing that shows your skill is your win loss ratio
Can we get a sixth? I don't like how W/L is set up though, because of how leaving counts as a loss. Look at the MW3 leader boards at the top for wins. He just dashboards every time he is about to lose. He has over 5K win streak.

SEVENTH ALL THE WAY

ill 8th that

9th that


ill tenth that


ill 11th that
Where is the 12th??? LOL


12th right here, I try too hard myself ( don't camp though :o ) and the game would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so competetive :p

Ill 13th it

ill 14th it
Ill 15th that !!!

16th that shiz!!!!! :)


I 17th that!

C_Ccombo breaker!
Just kidding. :) I 18th that

hmm, i agree with you all, ill 19th that!!


I also agree ill 20th that.


I don't agree, i actually enjoy seeing how well I've done in my past games kill wise.
Just kidding, fuc* KD... it means nothing. who cares if you have a 2.0 KD and mines .9 , that doesn't mean im terrible, it just means in the past i died a'lot. it all maters about present skill. MLG players don't become MLG because they went positive a bunch of times in the past do they?
SO I GUESS IM 21ing THAT SHIIIIIIIIIT



ILL **** 22nd tht