MW3 Didn't Copy BF3, What Brings Fans Back to CoD, and more

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For those of you who think that only Infinity Ward and Treyarch work on the Call of Duty franchise, you should know that Sledgehammer Games are developing Modern Warfare 3 side by side with Infinity Ward. Today, we have found some interesting things that Glen Scholfield and Michael Condrey, the co-founders of Sledgehammer Games, said about Modern Warfare 3.

When a fan claimed that Modern Warfare 3 is copying Battlefield 3, Scholfield answered “We (the people behind MW3) haven’t copied BF3 at all. No need to and never seen much of it. We’re making the sequal to MW2, that’s what we look at.” Of course, MP1st’s loyal readers might recall that Infinity Ward’s Robert Bowling has only played about an hour of Battlefield 3 and loved it.

On another note, in a recent interview with NowGamer, when ask about the competition with the Battlefield 3, Condrey explained that he shares Eric Hirshberg’s thoughts, which you can find here. He went on to shed some light on what brings gamers back to Call of Duty by stating“It (Call of Duty) is fun, it’s fast, it’s 60 frames per second.” He explained “what 60 fps mean is it feels smooth, you’re in the action right away.” He ended his point with “I think that’s what’s been bringing fans back time and time again to Call of Duty.”

When asked, on twitter, on whether the premium Elite service has anything to do with Dedicated servers on PC. Condrey reassured that “(dedicated servers are) free to all PC. Independent of Elite.”

http://mp1st.com/2011/08/27/mw3-didnt-copy-bf3-what-brings-fans-back-to-cod-and-more-sledgehammer-games-on-mw3/

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KiiLERPosted:

ExpectTheWorst
TauntzE
ExpectTheWorst
sF-Jordz
krwskater25
jayjay92895
krwskater25 Oooo.... 60 FPS.... That don't mean crap if you have a junk host
theres a big diff betweeen 60 fps and 30 fps just saying not ttrying to start a big flame war
Ok tell me what the diff is.


30 frames per second is the difference you ****, seriously how old are you 10?










You told tht **** whos boss. BF3 ftw

YOU'RE clearly the one who is "10" here. Now read this very carefully because you're about to be proven 100% wrong and everyone here who says "DURR MW3 GONNA BE BETTER CUZ WE HAVE 30 MORE FPS~~" will also be in the same boat as you.

To give an idea of what 30 FPS as opposed to 60 FPS means, consider this: Movies you see at the theater are 24 FPS, which is the most common industry standard for film. Humans generally cannot easily detecte differences in excess of 30 FPS. 30 FPS will do just fine for Battlefield 3, as it would for MW3 if it was also running at 30 FPS.

WANT MORE? What it comes down to, and this is what many console players (Including you, derp) and even members of the press (The absolute GENIUSES at IW) fail to understand, is that the decision to make the game run at 30 FPS and 720p is because to do otherwise would come at extreme expense to the quality of the graphics and even gameplay. Console hardware, both PS3 and 360 alike, is very outdated by now. Battlefield 3 is a truly next-generation first-person shooter, and its unparalleled graphical and technological capabilities require PC hardware to be fully realized, which is half a decade more advanced and powerful than console hardware. Even at 30 FPS and 720p, BF3 pushes console graphics and technology to the absolute visual limit of the console hardwares ability WITHOUT risking damage to the gameplay. It is impressive that the only gameplay compromise that DICE was forced to make for the console versions of BF3 is dropping the player limit from 64 to 24 players.

MW3, on the other hand, is running the same engine they've been running since CoD4 (Just revamped) trolololololol


Well said, but you just proved yourself as fanboy #1

Most people on here are going to be playing on console anyways so bringing up PC is going to be superior is pointless because it has and always will be. Graphics doesn't mean much either, it may look pretty but the gameplay is what matters, which we won't find out until BOTH the games come out. So cool your gym shorts and have some patience.


Fanboy? Hardly. I was max prestige on CoD4/WaW/MW2 (On top of almost 25 days of gameplay)/and Black Ops. I actually just started play BC2 a few weeks ago. I'm just stating facts. DICE has a new engine, IW does not. One of the first things Robert Bowling said was that there was no new engine and that they were just improving on the old one, which there is nothing wrong with that. It still looks DECENT. I'm getting Battlefield 3 before MW3 because of DEDICATED SERVERS and a server browser. Host migration? Nope. Lag? Extremely minimal

I'm tired of CoD. They pump one out every year when it's basically a carbon-copy of the last. It's the main online shooter I have played in the past 5 years. I consider myself very good at CoD, and frankly I'm tired of the repetitiveness and how easy it's become for me. I crave something new, thus why I'm getting BF3 and GOW3. Why? Because these games are on a completely different level competitively.

Will I be purchasing MW3? Not before Gears, Battlefield, Skyrim, Minecraft, Batman, Saints Row, Dead Island, and Madden. Hell, I might not EVER get it.

Oh, and regarding the PC argument: Duh. PC will always be better than console. I never stated otherwise. Sure, the FPS drop on PC might feel different with mouse sensitivity, but that's it. And console is where all the sales will be, because I'm sure MW3 will be the most-pirated game on PC (a title that Black Ops ironically holds)

Duck90Posted:

ExpectTheWorst
sF-Jordz
krwskater25
jayjay92895
krwskater25 Oooo.... 60 FPS.... That don't mean crap if you have a junk host
theres a big diff betweeen 60 fps and 30 fps just saying not ttrying to start a big flame war
Ok tell me what the diff is.


30 frames per second is the difference you ****, seriously how old are you 10?


YOU'RE clearly the one who is "10" here. Now read this very carefully because you're about to be proven 100% wrong and everyone here who says "DURR MW3 GONNA BE BETTER CUZ WE HAVE 30 MORE FPS~~" will also be in the same boat as you.

To give an idea of what 30 FPS as opposed to 60 FPS means, consider this: Movies you see at the theater are 24 FPS, which is the most common industry standard for film. Humans generally cannot easily detecte differences in excess of 30 FPS. 30 FPS will do just fine for Battlefield 3, as it would for MW3 if it was also running at 30 FPS.

WANT MORE? What it comes down to, and this is what many console players (Including you, derp) and even members of the press (The absolute GENIUSES at IW) fail to understand, is that the decision to make the game run at 30 FPS and 720p is because to do otherwise would come at extreme expense to the quality of the graphics and even gameplay. Console hardware, both PS3 and 360 alike, is very outdated by now. Battlefield 3 is a truly next-generation first-person shooter, and its unparalleled graphical and technological capabilities require PC hardware to be fully realized, which is half a decade more advanced and powerful than console hardware. Even at 30 FPS and 720p, BF3 pushes console graphics and technology to the absolute visual limit of the console hardwares ability WITHOUT risking damage to the gameplay. It is impressive that the only gameplay compromise that DICE was forced to make for the console versions of BF3 is dropping the player limit from 64 to 24 players.

MW3, on the other hand, is running the same engine they've been running since CoD4 (Just revamped) trolololololol

so how cool to you feel at the fact that youve spent the last few months looking up ways to show that bf3 is gonna be better then mw3? congrats you know how to use google. and saying things like derp and trolololol are a lil old dont you think kid? grow up. there games. and who cares about the pc, only reason people use them is to hack. so now before you go calling anyone a troll look at what you posted... good job, again i give you congrats that you know how to use google... now honestly, for your sake and everyone elses... stfu

ExpectTheWorstPosted:

TauntzE
ExpectTheWorst
sF-Jordz
krwskater25
jayjay92895
krwskater25 Oooo.... 60 FPS.... That don't mean crap if you have a junk host
theres a big diff betweeen 60 fps and 30 fps just saying not ttrying to start a big flame war
Ok tell me what the diff is.


30 frames per second is the difference you ****, seriously how old are you 10?


YOU'RE clearly the one who is "10" here. Now read this very carefully because you're about to be proven 100% wrong and everyone here who says "DURR MW3 GONNA BE BETTER CUZ WE HAVE 30 MORE FPS~~" will also be in the same boat as you.

To give an idea of what 30 FPS as opposed to 60 FPS means, consider this: Movies you see at the theater are 24 FPS, which is the most common industry standard for film. Humans generally cannot easily detecte differences in excess of 30 FPS. 30 FPS will do just fine for Battlefield 3, as it would for MW3 if it was also running at 30 FPS.

WANT MORE? What it comes down to, and this is what many console players (Including you, derp) and even members of the press (The absolute GENIUSES at IW) fail to understand, is that the decision to make the game run at 30 FPS and 720p is because to do otherwise would come at extreme expense to the quality of the graphics and even gameplay. Console hardware, both PS3 and 360 alike, is very outdated by now. Battlefield 3 is a truly next-generation first-person shooter, and its unparalleled graphical and technological capabilities require PC hardware to be fully realized, which is half a decade more advanced and powerful than console hardware. Even at 30 FPS and 720p, BF3 pushes console graphics and technology to the absolute visual limit of the console hardwares ability WITHOUT risking damage to the gameplay. It is impressive that the only gameplay compromise that DICE was forced to make for the console versions of BF3 is dropping the player limit from 64 to 24 players.

MW3, on the other hand, is running the same engine they've been running since CoD4 (Just revamped) trolololololol


Well said, but you just proved yourself as fanboy #1

Most people on here are going to be playing on console anyways so bringing up PC is going to be superior is pointless because it has and always will be. Graphics doesn't mean much either, it may look pretty but the gameplay is what matters, which we won't find out until BOTH the games come out. So cool your gym shorts and have some patience.


Fanboy? Hardly. I was max prestige on CoD4/WaW/MW2 (On top of almost 25 days of gameplay)/and Black Ops. I actually just started play BC2 a few weeks ago. I'm just stating facts. DICE has a new engine, IW does not. One of the first things Robert Bowling said was that there was no new engine and that they were just improving on the old one, which there is nothing wrong with that. It still looks DECENT. I'm getting Battlefield 3 before MW3 because of DEDICATED SERVERS and a server browser. Host migration? Nope. Lag? Extremely minimal

I'm tired of CoD. They pump one out every year when it's basically a carbon-copy of the last. It's the main online shooter I have played in the past 5 years. I consider myself very good at CoD, and frankly I'm tired of the repetitiveness and how easy it's become for me. I crave something new, thus why I'm getting BF3 and GOW3. Why? Because these games are on a completely different level competitively.

Will I be purchasing MW3? Not before Gears, Battlefield, Skyrim, Minecraft, Batman, Saints Row, Dead Island, and Madden. Hell, I might not EVER get it.

Oh, and regarding the PC argument: Duh. PC will always be better than console. I never stated otherwise. Sure, the FPS drop on PC might feel different with mouse sensitivity, but that's it. And console is where all the sales will be, because I'm sure MW3 will be the most-pirated game on PC (a title that Black Ops ironically holds)

aimiami12Posted:

MatthewSteier I'm definitely not getting either games because of FPS, it is the game play the defines the fun. And there really is no better game, its exactly that, a game. Its the individuals job to determine their preference. And just because they have an opinion doesnt mean their wrong. The flame wars between MW3 and BF3 are like two people fighting because one is left handed and one is right. Just play both and respect them for what they are.
i agree

Flawn77Posted:

triksta2k11 I think 24 fps is the limit for the human eye to pick up on.
So anything over that just looks the same really to the human eye.


I believe its over 100 FPS actually.

luvdathuglyfePosted:

krwskater25
ExpectTheWorst
sF-Jordz
krwskater25
jayjay92895
krwskater25 Oooo.... 60 FPS.... That don't mean crap if you have a junk host
theres a big diff betweeen 60 fps and 30 fps just saying not ttrying to start a big flame war
Ok tell me what the diff is.


30 frames per second is the difference you ****, seriously how old are you 10?


YOU'RE clearly the one who is "10" here. Now read this very carefully because you're about to be proven 100% wrong and everyone here who says "DURR MW3 GONNA BE BETTER CUZ WE HAVE 30 MORE FPS~~" will also be in the same boat as you.

To give an idea of what 30 FPS as opposed to 60 FPS means, consider this: Movies you see at the theater are 24 FPS, which is the most common industry standard for film. Humans generally cannot easily detecte differences in excess of 30 FPS. 30 FPS will do just fine for Battlefield 3, as it would for MW3 if it was also running at 30 FPS.

WANT MORE? What it comes down to, and this is what many console players (Including you, derp) and even members of the press (The absolute GENIUSES at IW) fail to understand, is that the decision to make the game run at 30 FPS and 720p is because to do otherwise would come at extreme expense to the quality of the graphics and even gameplay. Console hardware, both PS3 and 360 alike, is very outdated by now. Battlefield 3 is a truly next-generation first-person shooter, and its unparalleled graphical and technological capabilities require PC hardware to be fully realized, which is half a decade more advanced and powerful than console hardware. Even at 30 FPS and 720p, BF3 pushes console graphics and technology to the absolute visual limit of the console hardwares ability WITHOUT risking damage to the gameplay. It is impressive that the only gameplay compromise that DICE was forced to make for the console versions of BF3 is dropping the player limit from 64 to 24 players.

MW3, on the other hand, is running the same engine they've been running since CoD4 (Just revamped) trolololololol
Nuff said!

i 2nd that

MatthewSteierPosted:

I'm definitely not getting either games because of FPS, it is the game play the defines the fun. And there really is no better game, its exactly that, a game. Its the individuals job to determine their preference. And just because they have an opinion doesnt mean their wrong. The flame wars between MW3 and BF3 are like two people fighting because one is left handed and one is right. Just play both and respect them for what they are.

triksta2k11Posted:

I think 24 fps is the limit for the human eye to pick up on.
So anything over that just looks the same really to the human eye.

TauntzEPosted:

ExpectTheWorst
sF-Jordz
krwskater25
jayjay92895
krwskater25 Oooo.... 60 FPS.... That don't mean crap if you have a junk host
theres a big diff betweeen 60 fps and 30 fps just saying not ttrying to start a big flame war
Ok tell me what the diff is.


30 frames per second is the difference you ****, seriously how old are you 10?


YOU'RE clearly the one who is "10" here. Now read this very carefully because you're about to be proven 100% wrong and everyone here who says "DURR MW3 GONNA BE BETTER CUZ WE HAVE 30 MORE FPS~~" will also be in the same boat as you.

To give an idea of what 30 FPS as opposed to 60 FPS means, consider this: Movies you see at the theater are 24 FPS, which is the most common industry standard for film. Humans generally cannot easily detecte differences in excess of 30 FPS. 30 FPS will do just fine for Battlefield 3, as it would for MW3 if it was also running at 30 FPS.

WANT MORE? What it comes down to, and this is what many console players (Including you, derp) and even members of the press (The absolute GENIUSES at IW) fail to understand, is that the decision to make the game run at 30 FPS and 720p is because to do otherwise would come at extreme expense to the quality of the graphics and even gameplay. Console hardware, both PS3 and 360 alike, is very outdated by now. Battlefield 3 is a truly next-generation first-person shooter, and its unparalleled graphical and technological capabilities require PC hardware to be fully realized, which is half a decade more advanced and powerful than console hardware. Even at 30 FPS and 720p, BF3 pushes console graphics and technology to the absolute visual limit of the console hardwares ability WITHOUT risking damage to the gameplay. It is impressive that the only gameplay compromise that DICE was forced to make for the console versions of BF3 is dropping the player limit from 64 to 24 players.

MW3, on the other hand, is running the same engine they've been running since CoD4 (Just revamped) trolololololol


Well said, but you just proved yourself as fanboy #1

Most people on here are going to be playing on console anyways so bringing up PC is going to be superior is pointless because it has and always will be. Graphics doesn't mean much either, it may look pretty but the gameplay is what matters, which we won't find out until BOTH the games come out. So cool your gym shorts and have some patience.

CombPosted:

If you design the engine of your game well, 30fps can be very smooth. Anyone ever played the first Crysis? That game felt somewhat smooth at 25fps..