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The decision by Mr. Obama rescued Ms. Manning, who twice tried to commit suicide last year, from an uncertain future as a transgender woman incarcerated at the male military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. She has been jailed for nearly seven years, and her 35-year sentence was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction.

Now, under the terms of Mr. Obamas commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed in five months, on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.


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Thank you, President Obama.
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It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
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Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...
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Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...


Haha, of all the people you could accuse of post boosting you chose me? Please.

It's your opinion that they intended to cause harm, not proven.
It's my opinion that the truth matters and it should be the opinion of all soldiers that people know the truth about what they are doing.

Apparently Obama holds this opinion too and there isn't many facts to debate here unless you can point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.
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Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...


Haha, of all the people you could accuse of post boosting you chose me? Please.

It's your opinion that they intended to cause harm, not proven.
It's my opinion that the truth matters and it should be the opinion of all soldiers that people know the truth about what they are doing.

Apparently Obama holds this opinion too and there isn't many facts to debate here unless you can point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.
It's my opinion?

Those are facts. But what you are saying that it's worth the lives of men and women? Some of the documents he leaked gave information about classified files regarding different operations set to take place over seas to capture or kill HVT's and it put our Special Operation Forces at risk. They were forced to declassify some of the files to use in his court case. Why do you think he got 35 years to life in prison?

What Snowden did was totally different and i could understand if your comment was about him, but it was not.

Point in the matter is, now i see what a piece of crap you are and have officially lost all respect for you.


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Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...


Haha, of all the people you could accuse of post boosting you chose me? Please.

It's your opinion that they intended to cause harm, not proven.
It's my opinion that the truth matters and it should be the opinion of all soldiers that people know the truth about what they are doing.

Apparently Obama holds this opinion too and there isn't many facts to debate here unless you can point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.
It's my opinion?

Those are facts. But what you are saying that it's worth the lives of men and women? Some of the documents he leaked gave information about classified files regarding different operations set to take place over seas to capture or kill HVT's and it put our Special Operation Forces at risk. They were forced to declassify some of the files to use in his court case. Why do you think he got 35 years to life in prison?

What Snowden did was totally different and i could understand if your comment was about him, but it was not.

Point in the matter is, now i see what a piece of crap you are and have officially lost all respect for you.




My poor heart.

Please point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information. I have no qualms about putting some soldiers lives in danger to expose a dumb war for what it really is and the soldiers who signed up to risk their lives to fight in that war should have no problems with that either.
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Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...


Haha, of all the people you could accuse of post boosting you chose me? Please.

It's your opinion that they intended to cause harm, not proven.
It's my opinion that the truth matters and it should be the opinion of all soldiers that people know the truth about what they are doing.

Apparently Obama holds this opinion too and there isn't many facts to debate here unless you can point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.
It's my opinion?

Those are facts. But what you are saying that it's worth the lives of men and women? Some of the documents he leaked gave information about classified files regarding different operations set to take place over seas to capture or kill HVT's and it put our Special Operation Forces at risk. They were forced to declassify some of the files to use in his court case. Why do you think he got 35 years to life in prison?

What Snowden did was totally different and i could understand if your comment was about him, but it was not.

Point in the matter is, now i see what a piece of crap you are and have officially lost all respect for you.




My poor heart.

Please point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information. I have no qualms about putting some soldiers lives in danger to expose a dumb war for what it really is and the soldiers who signed up to risk their lives to fight in that war should have no problems with that either.
Oh jesus, i think you are missing your tin foil hat brother. Goodluck, and you probably think 9/11 was an inside job to right?

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I have one question, if we pull out of afghanistan tomorrow, where do you think insurgents will spread into next? Please explain as i am curious to know from someone who has never served or seen combat.

I am itching to know.

The war in Iraq was a mess, no doubt about that. The war in Afghanistan is about stopping insurgents from spreading armaments to known criminal/terrorist organizations. When i was deployed, we took a small village after about 2 or 3 hours of fighting. The insurgents pulled out after we had an a-10 light up the field next to the village where they were taking pot shots at us with AK's and a few RPG's, there were high crops so we were unable to see them and couldn't move up. We went into the village and searched building by building. We entered a warehouse. They had maybe 50 RPG's AK's, Russian TM-46's, hand grenades, couple M4's stolen from Iraq, few home made IED's. EOD came in and gave us the all clear to search the rest of the building after disabling the IED's. We got all of the serial numbers that we could find, Intel came in and took pictures of everything..

It was literally an entire stock pile and we cleared the whole village to make sure there were no civilians present and the Airforce dropped 3 JDAM's on it while we watched from about 4 clicks.

Point here is, if we are not there to curb the enemy. They will have no one stopping them from reaching Europe and eventually here to America. It's about security..
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Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote
Glock- wrote
Cioran wrote It took him long enough, but this is some great news.
Please explain to me how this is good news.

Or are you just trying to raise your post count...

This piece of crap leaked documents that were highly classified and put men and women overseas in danger, he should have gotten the needle.

Now I see what Snowden did it, he wanted people to know that they were being spied on and i guess i can understand that. But this failed science project leaked them with the intent of causing harm to our assets and our country...


Haha, of all the people you could accuse of post boosting you chose me? Please.

It's your opinion that they intended to cause harm, not proven.
It's my opinion that the truth matters and it should be the opinion of all soldiers that people know the truth about what they are doing.

Apparently Obama holds this opinion too and there isn't many facts to debate here unless you can point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.
It's my opinion?

Those are facts. But what you are saying that it's worth the lives of men and women? Some of the documents he leaked gave information about classified files regarding different operations set to take place over seas to capture or kill HVT's and it put our Special Operation Forces at risk. They were forced to declassify some of the files to use in his court case. Why do you think he got 35 years to life in prison?

What Snowden did was totally different and i could understand if your comment was about him, but it was not.

Point in the matter is, now i see what a piece of crap you are and have officially lost all respect for you.




My poor heart.

Please point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information. I have no qualms about putting some soldiers lives in danger to expose a dumb war for what it really is and the soldiers who signed up to risk their lives to fight in that war should have no problems with that either.
Oh jesus, i think you are missing your tin foil hat brother. Goodluck, and you probably think 9/11 was an inside job to right?

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I have one question, if we pull out of afghanistan tomorrow, where do you think insurgents will spread into next? Please explain as i am curious to know from someone who has never served or seen combat.

I am itching to know.

The war in Iraq was a mess, no doubt about that. The war in Afghanistan is about stopping insurgents from spreading armaments to known criminal/terrorist organizations. When i was deployed, we took a small village after about 2 or 3 hours of fighting. The insurgents pulled out after we had an a-10 light up the field next to the village where they were taking pot shots at us with AK's and a few RPG's, there were high crops so we were unable to see them and couldn't move up. We went into the village and searched building by building. We entered a warehouse. They had maybe 50 RPG's AK's, Russian TM-46's, hand grenades, couple M4's stolen from Iraq, few home made IED's. EOD came in and gave us the all clear to search the rest of the building after disabling the IED's. We got all of the serial numbers that we could find, Intel came in and took pictures of everything..

It was literally an entire stock pile and we cleared the whole village to make sure there were no civilians present and the Airforce dropped 3 JDAM's on it while we watched from about 4 clicks.

Point here is, if we are not there to curb the enemy. They will have no one stopping them from reaching Europe and eventually here to America. It's about security..


okay i would normally not get into this, but what Cioran said just now..

Cioran wrote Please point to soldiers directly harmed by the leaking of this information.


You're talking to one right now, matter of fact let me add one. Half of the company I work with alongside, two other members of my family.

While yes i strongly disagree and heavily agree with some of what snowden did, people do have the right to know that they were being spied on.

But I'll be straight forward with you right now, anyone going for major jobs in the military cyber and in general likely all have their lines tapped by the NSA.

I'll admit it i am, and all of my lines are. But the thing is what he leaked caused some of the biggest outrages in the cyber security world, and well still does to this day. People always wonder why wikileaks cannot be taken down. It is swedish owned and with the way their privacy laws are, it could never be considered to be taken down.

Now back to topic, a clear example of who this affected and how was when i was first deployed to Qatar, now while Qatar was not nearly as dangerous, or war drawn as anywhere else in the ME, it still holds the potential. When i was in Afghanistan, and this much points towards what Glock- said.

what if we were to pull out of afghanistan fully? What do you think would happen? That opens the clear essential barricade like that the UN/US has managed to keep out there.

Take this for example when the U.S. pulled out for no more than a month a complete city was taken back over. Now imagine if we backed fully out of the country. Where would that lead? straight to the UK, and this is common sense, from the UK who is next?

I was one of the maybe 10-12 people on base who was a systems engineer at the time, for keeping the communications up. Sure it wasn't that "bad" or "dangerous" but it was beneficial and another big part of what i was doing there is training people who have the certifications but not the full on requirements for the job.

Now if i wasn't there surely some of them would've gotten the full training, but what if us, "us" being the people who were sent over to train them weren't there?

See this whole argument that i am post is full of "what ifs" for good reason. If you can't understand my most basic explanation you shouldn't even be responding.
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Who was saying we should have pulled out of Afghanistan? I certainly didn't. It was a dumb war because of how it was being fought, which is what Chelsea Manning exposed, not because it was being fought.

Neither of you have managed to point to a single soldier directly HARMED by the release of this information and you are both applying views to me which I don't hold. It's called straw manning, don't do it.

I'm sorry if the release of this information made the militarys job harder but considering over half of the US budget goes to the military every year I'm sure you could deal with it.

And no Glock, I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, I've actually argued against that notion on this website.
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Cioran wrote Who was saying we should have pulled out of Afghanistan? I certainly didn't. It was a dumb war because of how it was being fought, which is what Chelsea Manning exposed, not because it was being fought.

Neither of you have managed to point to a single soldier directly HARMED by the release of this information and you are both applying views to me which I don't hold. It's called straw manning, don't do it.

I'm sorry if the release of this information made the militarys job harder but considering over half of the US budget goes to the military every year I'm sure you could deal with it.

And no Glock, I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, I've actually argued against that notion on this website.
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I have no qualms about putting some soldiers lives in danger to expose a dumb war


A dumb war, which would lead one to assume you are insinuating that we should not be there in the first place.

Listen, i am trying to be polite. I stated that it put members at risk not that they were HARMED.

considering over half of the US budget goes to the military every year I'm sure you could deal with it.


So you'll rather me die, right? Yeah, it did make the military's job a lot harder as they were forced to either draw out from an operation or continue with the risk. But it's not like you'd actually know what risk or danger is because you are probably someone who sits behind a desk and does nothing. You can sit there all you want and say how we are doing the war in Afghanistan wrong but what have you done about it? How about you go enlist and make a difference instead of talking about something you know nothing about other then what you see on CNN.

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