Cavalry wrote

Motivational wrote Killing a pregnant woman is double homicide. So yes, even by law a fetus is a living human.

A fetus is considered a living human in the case of a homicide because the law presumes that the woman wanted to have the child.
It isn't the same as the mother aborting the fetus because it's the mother making the choice, not having the choice made for her.

The law takes personal autonomy into consideration with things like this.

Personally I don't think it should be double homicide, it should be homicide and manslaughter, [if the woman isn't obviously pregnant] but that's besides the point.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

This is an obvious straw man of Yin's point.
Women carry the fetus and have the final decision on whether to abort or not, and they will be the ones being punished physically if abortion is made illegal, so obviously they are the main focus of this conversation.
Trying to turn his point around and make him look like a misandrist only makes you look more desperate.

Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

They do, they just weigh the severity of that damage against the damage of having a child and find the latter to be worse.
There aren't only physically motivated objections to having children. There are financial, religious, moral, and ethical ones too.

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Cavalry wrote

Motivational wrote Killing a pregnant woman is double homicide. So yes, even by law a fetus is a living human.

A fetus is considered a living human in the case of a homicide because the law presumes that the woman wanted to have the child.
It isn't the same as the mother aborting the fetus because it's the mother making the choice, not having the choice made for her.

The law takes personal autonomy into consideration with things like this.

Personally I don't think it should be double homicide, it should be homicide and manslaughter, [if the woman isn't obviously pregnant] but that's besides the point.

Firstly, why is it woman being punished for a mistake during sex? Surely the man's role matters and he has a say on the future of his unborn child?

This is an obvious straw man of Yin's point.
Women carry the fetus and have the final decision on whether to abort or not, and they will be the ones being punished physically if abortion is made illegal, so obviously they are the main focus of this conversation.
Trying to turn his point around and make him look like a misandrist only makes you look more desperate.

Not to mention, most woman taking the contraceptive pill don't even understand what it is and the ridiculous amount of damage that it does to their body.

They do, they just weigh the severity of that damage against the damage of having a child and find the latter to be worse.
There aren't only physically motivated objections to having children. There are financial, religious, moral, and ethical ones too.

This is an obvious straw man of Yin's point.
Women carry the fetus and have the final decision on whether to abort or not, and they will be the ones being punished physically if abortion is made illegal, so obviously they are the main focus of this conversation.
Trying to turn his point around and make him look like a misandrist only makes you look more desperate.

I had no intention of making him look like a misandrist or attacking a strawman. I was merely stating my opinion on abortion and seeing what others think. I'm also trying to expand my knowledge on the subject and see it from different viewpoints.

However I do think that Yin should realise that an abortion has just as big of an effect on men as it does woman. I agree totally that having the child is harder for a woman obviously because they have to carry it but the actual aftermath of an abortion equally effects both parties, espically if the man is religious and disagrees with the whole process.

They do, they just weigh the severity of that damage against the damage of having a child and find the latter to be worse.
There aren't only physically motivated objections to having children. There are financial, religious, moral, and ethical ones too.

Most girls who use the contraceptive pill are teengers. They have no idea whatsoever on how extra estrogen will effect their body or any of the risks that could be involved, such as not having any future children, severe depression and guilt from the abortion and plenty more.

Personallly, I think the contraceptive pill should only be prescribed by GPs in serious cases when both male and female are present and agree that it's right. The fact that you can buy them over the counter is a complete joke.

Just wondering, why would you object to having a child on religious, moral or ethical views? Most religions say that abortion is one of the worst crimes and most individuals would consider it morally wrong. I understand objecting it on financial and physical reasons though.