Boar wrote

Sanctorum wrote

Boar wrote

Sanctorum wrote
dual channel > single channel

There is only a difference in bandwidth and even though its only like 5-10 more single channel RAM performs nearly identical to dual channel.

Dual channel gives around a 10% boost in most benchmarks. It's also much safer. If you have 2x4GB and one stick fails, you still have 4GB and can run your PC. Although, 1x8GB and one stick fails, your PC is dead and you need to wait on new RAM.

Dual Channel gives around 10% in Benchmarks but not real world tests. Unless the computer is doing heavy simulation or rendering there is virtually no difference between single channel and dual channel RAM.

Also, if you get 1 8GB RAM stick now in the future you can another 8GB RAM stick of the same type and have 16GB Dual Channel for half the price whereas if you get Dual Channel now which is pointless you have to buy a whole new kit.

Even though it gives a slight performance boost in benchmarks, for what most people use their PC for it is not worth it, especially if you are gaming.

lol. Dual channel performs slightly better in most tasks. Explain why dual channel is pointless? If you get 1 8GB stick now and buy another additional kit, you're still buying a whole new kit. Same with 2x4GB. Buy one kit now and add another in the future, you still have to buy another kit. Granted, you're more limited in terms of upgradeability but really, 8GB RAM is more than enough for now. If OP wants to upgrade to 16GB, he'll get another 2x4GB kit and add it. If he ever wants more RAM, it'll probably be time for an upgrade by then anyway which means new mobo and CPU, and he can go with 2x8GB instead of 2x4GB. For most people, dual channel is entirely worth it.

Also, buying 1x8GB now and another 1x8GB in the future is definitely not half the price of 4x4GB.. lol

Sanctorum wrote lol. Dual channel performs slightly better in most tasks. Explain why dual channel is pointless? If you get 1 8GB stick now and buy another additional kit, you're still buying a whole new kit. Same with 2x4GB. Buy one kit now and add another in the future, you still have to buy another kit. Granted, you're more limited in terms of upgradeability but really, 8GB RAM is more than enough for now. If OP wants to upgrade to 16GB, he'll get another 2x4GB kit and add it. If he ever wants more RAM, it'll probably be time for an upgrade by then anyway which means new mobo and CPU, and he can go with 2x8GB instead of 2x4GB. For most people, dual channel is entirely worth it.

Also, buying 1x8GB now and another 1x8GB in the future is definitely not half the price of 4x4GB.. lol

For one, 4x4GB would be a way worse option than unless you have a quad channel motherboard.
Buying one 8GB now and one later would also be cheaper than buying two 2x4GB kits. And dual channel isn't pointless if you are USING it, I am assuming OP wants this PC for gaming and not 3D Rendering or something like that. As I stated, unless you are running heavy simulation or rendering you won't notice the difference in dual channel and single channel RAM, and if you do it will be so insignificant that you will negate it.

Unless OP is using this PC for heavy rendering and simulation, Dual Channel is just a luxury which is going to not be needed but nice to have. In this build a Single Channel 1600MHz 8GB kit will run exactly the same as a Dual Channel 2400MHz 2x4GB kit.

Boar wrote

Sanctorum wrote lol. Dual channel performs slightly better in most tasks. Explain why dual channel is pointless? If you get 1 8GB stick now and buy another additional kit, you're still buying a whole new kit. Same with 2x4GB. Buy one kit now and add another in the future, you still have to buy another kit. Granted, you're more limited in terms of upgradeability but really, 8GB RAM is more than enough for now. If OP wants to upgrade to 16GB, he'll get another 2x4GB kit and add it. If he ever wants more RAM, it'll probably be time for an upgrade by then anyway which means new mobo and CPU, and he can go with 2x8GB instead of 2x4GB. For most people, dual channel is entirely worth it.

Also, buying 1x8GB now and another 1x8GB in the future is definitely not half the price of 4x4GB.. lol

For one, 4x4GB would be a way worse option than unless you have a quad channel motherboard.
Buying one 8GB now and one later would also be cheaper than buying two 2x4GB kits. And dual channel isn't pointless if you are USING it, I am assuming OP wants this PC for gaming and not 3D Rendering or something like that. As I stated, unless you are running heavy simulation or rendering you won't notice the difference in dual channel and single channel RAM, and if you do it will be so insignificant that you will negate it.

Unless OP is using this PC for heavy rendering and simulation, Dual Channel is just a luxury which is going to not be needed but nice to have. In this build a Single Channel 1600MHz 8GB kit will run exactly the same as a Dual Channel 2400MHz 2x4GB kit.

Want to know the price difference? 1x8GB is around £55.50. 2x4GB is around £58. 2x4GB is safer because if one stick fails, you still have one running. I already mentioned that but I'm going to again, since it's fairly important. "4x4GB would be a way worse option" how so? Most motherboard will support 4x4GB. You stated that buying 2x8GB would be half the price of 4x4GB which is entirely incorrect, the actual price difference would be about £5. It's also a fact that 2x4GB will be faster than 1x8GB.

Sanctorum wrote

Boar wrote

Sanctorum wrote lol. Dual channel performs slightly better in most tasks. Explain why dual channel is pointless? If you get 1 8GB stick now and buy another additional kit, you're still buying a whole new kit. Same with 2x4GB. Buy one kit now and add another in the future, you still have to buy another kit. Granted, you're more limited in terms of upgradeability but really, 8GB RAM is more than enough for now. If OP wants to upgrade to 16GB, he'll get another 2x4GB kit and add it. If he ever wants more RAM, it'll probably be time for an upgrade by then anyway which means new mobo and CPU, and he can go with 2x8GB instead of 2x4GB. For most people, dual channel is entirely worth it.

Also, buying 1x8GB now and another 1x8GB in the future is definitely not half the price of 4x4GB.. lol

For one, 4x4GB would be a way worse option than unless you have a quad channel motherboard.
Buying one 8GB now and one later would also be cheaper than buying two 2x4GB kits. And dual channel isn't pointless if you are USING it, I am assuming OP wants this PC for gaming and not 3D Rendering or something like that. As I stated, unless you are running heavy simulation or rendering you won't notice the difference in dual channel and single channel RAM, and if you do it will be so insignificant that you will negate it.

Unless OP is using this PC for heavy rendering and simulation, Dual Channel is just a luxury which is going to not be needed but nice to have. In this build a Single Channel 1600MHz 8GB kit will run exactly the same as a Dual Channel 2400MHz 2x4GB kit.

Want to know the price difference? 1x8GB is around 55.50. 2x4GB is around 58. 2x4GB is safer because if one stick fails, you still have one running. I already mentioned that but I'm going to again, since it's fairly important. "4x4GB would be a way worse option" how so? Most motherboard will support 4x4GB. You stated that buying 2x8GB would be half the price of 4x4GB which is entirely incorrect, the actual price difference would be about 5. It's also a fact that 2x4GB will be faster than 1x8GB.

So am I good or am I not in regards to the error message because I do not know what f*** most of those numbers mean. I actually will be doing a quite bit of rendering so the 2x4GB, I think, will fit my needs. Can you just put your answer in laymen terms, I am still learning here.

ThatSniperGuy wrote So am I good or am I not in regards to the error message because I do not know what f*** most of those numbers mean. I actually will be doing a quite bit of rendering so the 2x4GB, I think, will fit my needs. Can you just put your answer in laymen terms, I am still learning here.

It will run at a reduced voltage. That's all it means. If you want to stay safe, get this instead;
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Sanctorum wrote 2x4GB is safer because if one stick fails, you still have one running.

This doesn't make sense. You would still have to replace the broken RAM, which I assume it would lead to replace them both. Since the warranty covers the product, serial number and what not. If anything replacing a single stick would be even easier. If OP will be rendering like he said, that gives him a better reason to go with one for now and buy another one later. (16GB, more efficient dual channel, room for more memory and cheaper). [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] ($4.70 less now, if the promo is still up, $9.40 difference later.) Small savings, but still. 2greedy4jew

Volk wrote

Sanctorum wrote 2x4GB is safer because if one stick fails, you still have one running.

This doesn't make sense. You would still have to replace the broken RAM, which I assume it would lead to replace them both. Since the warranty covers the product, serial number and what not. If anything replacing a single stick would be even easier. If OP will be rendering like he said, that gives him a better reason to go with one for now and buy another one later. (16GB, more efficient dual channel, room for more memory and cheaper). [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] ($4.70 less now, if the promo is still up, $9.40 difference later.) Small savings, but still. 2greedy4jew

lol'd. Although, if one stick fails, you'll still have one stick running. Replacing both would be easier, but not necessary. While waiting on new RAM, you can still use the PC. I just feel that's safer and easier. Plus, dual channel performs slightly better which is definitely a pro IMO. If he wants 16GB later, he can just buy another 2x4GB or get rid of his original 2x4GB and replace it with 2x8GB, granted it would cost more but that's what I'd do personally.

Sanctorum wrote

ThatSniperGuy wrote So am I good or am I not in regards to the error message because I do not know what f*** most of those numbers mean. I actually will be doing a quite bit of rendering so the 2x4GB, I think, will fit my needs. Can you just put your answer in laymen terms, I am still learning here.

It will run at a reduced voltage. That's all it means. If you want to stay safe, get this instead;
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Thanks. And I have one more question. How to I connect the computer to my internet through Ethernet...

ThatSniperGuy wrote

Boar wrote I think he means the actual case, not inside parts guys.

As far as cases go, the most important factors are form, interior space and fans.

The form can come in various sizes and needs to match your motherboard, there are ATX, Micro ATX (mATX) and more smaller sizes than that. There are also bigger boards than ATX but typically you keep your builds ATX or mATX.

Interior space is quite important to fit in your GPU and CPU cooler, if you have good room you have better airflow and better performance, it's simple as that.

Fans are important as well, typically you want to see how many fans your case includes with it and how many slots it has for fans, if you can fill all those slots, well thats a result.

You also have drive bays, which are not as important but a case with good drive bays will save a lot of hassle. Most cases now have around 2-5 and a CD drive bay which is quite good and sufficient.

Apart from that, USB 3.0 headers on the outside of the case is nice, same with legs and the fan output on the bottom for your PSU and the rest is really just aesthetics like windows and such. As a rule of thumb a case shouldn't really cost you less than $20 and more than $60 in my books.

Yea I mean the actual case. Thanks this helped me out quite a bit. My only new question is what are the drive bays used for besides a CD player.

In response to Xigma here is my build list. I was about to post a thread about it but if you guys could review it here that would be great. Any advice will be great.

Motherboard - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Hard Drive - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Other Hard Drive - 32 GB SD Card for OS and other main programs

Graphics Cards - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Processor - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Monitor - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Power Supply - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Desktop Memory (what is this) - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Tower - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Mouse - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Keyboard - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

32GB SD card for your OS? Uh, I think you're mixing that up with an SSD, and I don't even think 32GBs is enough for your OS after updates.

-Nightmare wrote

ThatSniperGuy wrote

Boar wrote I think he means the actual case, not inside parts guys.

As far as cases go, the most important factors are form, interior space and fans.

The form can come in various sizes and needs to match your motherboard, there are ATX, Micro ATX (mATX) and more smaller sizes than that. There are also bigger boards than ATX but typically you keep your builds ATX or mATX.

Interior space is quite important to fit in your GPU and CPU cooler, if you have good room you have better airflow and better performance, it's simple as that.

Fans are important as well, typically you want to see how many fans your case includes with it and how many slots it has for fans, if you can fill all those slots, well thats a result.

You also have drive bays, which are not as important but a case with good drive bays will save a lot of hassle. Most cases now have around 2-5 and a CD drive bay which is quite good and sufficient.

Apart from that, USB 3.0 headers on the outside of the case is nice, same with legs and the fan output on the bottom for your PSU and the rest is really just aesthetics like windows and such. As a rule of thumb a case shouldn't really cost you less than $20 and more than $60 in my books.

Yea I mean the actual case. Thanks this helped me out quite a bit. My only new question is what are the drive bays used for besides a CD player.

In response to Xigma here is my build list. I was about to post a thread about it but if you guys could review it here that would be great. Any advice will be great.

Motherboard - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Hard Drive - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Other Hard Drive - 32 GB SD Card for OS and other main programs

Graphics Cards - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Processor - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Monitor - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Power Supply - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Desktop Memory (what is this) - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Tower - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Mouse - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

Keyboard - [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

32GB SD card for your OS? Uh, I think you're mixing that up with an SSD, and I don't even think 32GBs is enough for your OS after updates.

That is a old list, I didn't know what I was doing. Just scroll up a bit to see the new list. I would link it here but it is to difficult on a phone.