A lot of 16/17/18 year old's are actually only voting for independence because of the film Braveheart, a lot of people in the school that I used to go to, are using the film as their reasoning to vote yes. Tax could go either way if we wre independent, it could either go up as their are less people paying taxes for our country, or it could go down as we wouldn't need to pay as much tax since we wouldn't have to pay for the rest of the UK as well. Scotland will not have to create their own currency, at all. We would possibly keep GBP, if not, Scotland will most likely use the Euro instead. Although, I do think that it will be difficult at first if Scotland was independent, how long for is another question. Employment wouldn't really be a problem, I don't think many more jobs would be created but we wouldn't lose employers. Scotland would have to re-apply to the EU as well. People argue that Scotland has all this oil but the majority of the oil is foreign owned. The oil that does belong to Scotland is shared within the UK, so if we became independent, we wouldn't get it. England would most likely claim th oil and there's not much we could do cnsidering we have around 10% of the population that England has, we would be completely defenseless as well. We would have to create a Scottish army etc. Obviously, Enlgnad will also be affected by Scotland becoming independent so II'm tired of all these moronic English, who are un-educated and saying "Let them do what they want, doesn't bother me". It should bother you, it could negatively affect England if Scotland were to become independent.

NER0- You are utterly clueless. What "Scottish attitude"? The entire country doesn't have the same attitude, you moron. Only the young, uneducated, morons would want a war. In fact, it's mre likely that England will want war with Scotland for OUR oil. No one would want to trade? Any evidence to support this? No, didn't think so.

The fact is, no one REALLY knows how Scottish independence could turn out, it could be great or it could be terrible. Personally, I am 16 years old and I will not be voting. I don't want that kind of responsibility.

There's no "I don't think a lot of big businesses will leave Scotland", over a third of big companies have already threatened to leave if Scotland gets independence so it will happen and David Cameron doesn't run everything there's a thing called parliament where everything has to pass first.

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NER0 wrote It's funny because Scotland will fail and here's why:
No one will want to trade with such a small country with little to no real trade.

And if you did get independence if you started to be little sh*ts and try to start a civil war (which is likely with the Scottish attitude) England will destroy you.

I want Scotland to be independent just so I can watch it fail.

Lol, it's funny to see smug little pr*cks like you "attempt" to slander Scotland, when in actual fact; you know little to NOTHING about Scotland. Your just a racist litte delinquent, there is absolutely NO difference between Scottish and English people except from the fact we have very different accents; thats it. I treat English people the same as I treat Scottish people, or anyone else for that matter.

Now... Allow me to rip your ridiculous comments apart.

1. In 2008 Scottish Oil that was worth 22,831 a minute, 32 million a day, 12 billion a year. It is the 1.2 Trillion to come out of the known oil and gas fields of the North Sea that are stopping the UK debt being junked, just like the Greek debt.

2. Scotland could build 2 High Schools or 16 wind turbines or 300 stream turbines or 256 two bedroom houses with a single day's Scottish Oil revenue, if the Scot's did not give it ALL TO LONDON.

3. An Independent Scotland could be free of its 62.5 billion share of Westminster debt in less than 5 years.

4. The Union lost every Scottish resident 48,000 over the last 30 years.

5. Scotland could provide enough Green Energy to supply a quarter of Europe. This would attract companies to relocate to Scotland in exchange for low cost energy.

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I could go on and on....

The real question is not ....can Scotland afford Independence ... but can England afford Scotland to be Independent?

Yeah... I'm sure we will fail. GG

Racist? Really? Do you even know the meaning you stupid c*nt? Google it, or better yet look it up in a dictionary.

You talk green energy but Europe couldn't really care about GE as that's just a front picture to look good, if you knew the political system which you don't as all you do is listen to the news. The politicians like to lie to make a better case for themselves.

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GTO wrote If the Scots break free life for them will be difficult for the first 20 years or so.
Alot of big business will leave Scotland which in turn will effect alot of peoples jobs
and Scotland will also struggle to get into the E.U which again will effect Scotlands ability to trade with it's neighbours.

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Scotland is going to have to create it's own currency which won't be worth alot on the world stage.

I think in the long run ( atleast 20 years + ) it could be a really good thing for Scotland and it's people but all those who are old enough to vote for independence need to understand that the impact it has (for this generation) may not be what they are being told it's going to be like by the likes of salmond.

Being half English and half Scottish myself i can understand the views of both sides.

Load of shite. Scotland don't have to get a currency of their own as it goes down to a parliamentary vote. No, one, individual can make that decision.

Scotland will struggle to get into the EU? Do you not care to expand on the statement? What will make it difficult? I see no reason for Scotland to get into the EU. David Cameron wants to leave the EU so for a Scottish citizen it would make little difference as the union could easily leave the EU anyway.

Also I don't believe that alot of businesses would leave Scotland. The fact that alot of businesses do locate in Scotland is because of the fact that Scotland is more affordable than the likes of English locations and because the Scottish Government would give grants to these businesses to set up factories etc in Scotland.

Here's a wee fact for you; did you know that Scotland's creates a higher GDP per capita than Wales, England and Northern Ireland? Did you know that Scotland has seen an increase in GDP growth and it's GDP per capita? Did you also know that Scotland's unemployment rate has decreased? Scotland has many things to keep the economy healthy. There is the obvious one which is oil. There is Scotland's banking industry which is fairly large and accounts for a large amount of our GDP. We then have a very strong investment industry. It is in fact one of the world's leading for fund management. Finally you have Scotland's huge tourist industry. We are attract people from all round. Tourism has given around. 200,000 jobs to people in Scotland and it accounts for 3% of Scotland's economic output.

Fear is the real enemy to independence. Some people will sit and complain about the fact that they are unsure about this and that. To these people I say 'get off your arse and seek out answers'. Read the white paper first of all and then start looking into any further questions.

There's no "I don't think a lot of big businesses will leave Scotland", over a third of big companies have already threatened to leave if Scotland gets independence so it will happen and David Cameron doesn't run everything there's a thing called parliament where everything has to pass first.

His party holds the largest number of seats in parliament. He and his party members are likely to agree on things. They have the power and since he is the head of the Conservative party, he therefore is the one to refer to when talking about who runs the country. The clue in your argument is the word "threatened". If I say that I'm going to come to your house and stab you to death, are you going to believe that I would actually do it?

I understand this is a very sensitive topic, but if you can't post in a constructive manner, then don't post at all.

I'm going to close this because it has gotten out of hand with the insults and useless back and forth.

If anyone can give me a good reason to reopen this topic, my PM box is always open.

I have no problem with another topic being opened about this, TTG is a place for open discussion, but be warned, if it gets out of hand the same actions will take place.

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