I can afford Beats myself, but why would I pay $250 + for headphones that sound horrible? I could buy headphones for $50 that sound WAY better than Beats do. Beats to me are a pile of junk and you will never catch me wearing those. Also, you bought them for noise canceling? A ton of headphones can do that.

r00t Said it all.

I think it's time to PM a Moderator to take this down.

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Cynic wrote I use them to listen to music
Payed 75% off of retail
I don't wear them everywhere without the cord even in like a tool.
I couldn't care less what the site "expert" has to say
Your false sense of authority means nothing to me.
I think it is funny how bad of a rap beats get. (punny I know)
I understand they are endorsed by terrible musicians. And that most people are stupid enough to waste hundreds of dollars on them for a designer headband.
But then you realize that the sound is good.
I'm willing to bet that if you stripped away the brand and did a blind sound test, your opinions would change.
They are loud. And block out the world around me. That is all I care about.

75% off retail for fakes is still too much.

Nobody accused you of wearing them like that, but that's how people tend to use these things.

False sense of authority? I've been making the same points in my posts about Beats since I joined TTG. The badge, post count, rep power, or people with their hype (which I don't appreciate and honestly wish they would stop) have absolutely nothing to do with the content of my posts.

If you don't care what experts have to say I guess you don't need to visit the doctor. Claiming an expert opinion is invalid because it contradicts yours is pretty arrogant.

Beats get a bad rap because they're bad headphones and people that like to make good decisions are aware of that.

It doesn't matter what musician endorses them. Their endorsement has nothing to do with the quality of the headphone. If Dre endorsed something like the Audeze LCD-2, it wouldn't make them any worse because it's nothing but a marketing ploy. I hate 2 Chainz but I'd still buy the Ultrasone Pro 900s if they were the YOLOChainz SwagBlaster 420s.

The sound is pitiful for the price. Of course they'll sound better than the garbage you find in most Best Buys like the Klipsch Image One, low-end Sennheisers, etc., though. That means nothing.

You may not realize this, but if you look at people's reactions back when Beats first debuted, they REALLY wanted to like them: [ Register or Signin to view external links. ]

I've heard the Beats myself, of course, and I'm not just hopping on the hate train because it's the "in" thing to do. I've compared these side by side with other headphones and drawn my own conclusions, which is something I've found that people who defend Beats have not done or refuse to do. Bias is stupid and any self-respecting audiophile will know this. If Beats were good headphones, we'd treat them like they were. Nobody cares where the headphone came from as long as it delivers.

If you wanted headphones that actually have effective noise cancellation you should have made a different choice. Other headphones sound better, isolate noise better (this is measurable, not to mention the awful hiss the Beats ANC has). If it's all you care about, that, again, makes the Beats a bad decision for you.

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EDIT: Guys, stop hyping my posts. If you want me to respond to a Beats thread or something, PM me the link and I probably will. Don't post about me posting.

I actually just don't like you because you bashed the pair of Sennheiser's I bought a long while back before anyone cared about your opinion. I don't like how you're the all knowing expert on everything sound when it is subject to opinion. Your arrogance about my arrogance is arrogant. I don't understand what is "pitiful" about the sound honestly. My original argument was poorly phrased and aimed at the people that only hate them because they can't afford them. I see this everyday, not on the internet because for the love of god everyone hates them here apparently, while just walking around. Step into a high school with a pair of beats on and see the comments you get. If I could get the kick-a$$ pair of noise cancelling Bose headphones I will, but until then, I see absolutely nothing wrong with my beats.

I don't care if you like me and the point of saying the Sennheisers were bad was to show that you don't have anything to use as a reference for quality. I still don't even know what model you have, but it's pretty well-known in the audio community that low-end Sennheisers are mediocre. Still, Sennheiser makes a helluva lot of great headphones.

I'm not the all-knowing expert, I just know how to articulate an argument against Beats. Ask anyone in the headphone community and you'll hear the same points being made (with varying degrees of ferocity, usually depending on how much you try to defend your headphones).

What arrogance? "Arrogance: Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities." I'm making an argument about headphones based on facts and I don't see how that's arrogant.

My point about the sound being "pitiful" is that you have not compared them to competing headphones. If you do this, you'll understand. What you're saying now is that you have great-sounding headphones without hearing what else is out there. You have no reference.

People who hate Beats because they can't afford them are just as bad as the people who say others hate Beats because they can't afford them. Believe it or not, the majority of the population doesn't know much about headphones and they can't be expected to.

I've got one more semester in high-school, so believe me, I've seen the hype. I've also seen how people react when I bring my good headphones to school. My Aiaiai TMA-1 gets way more attention than my friend's Studio and every pair of Solos is broken in a matter of months. My Portapros have been "borrowed" for months at a time and my TMA-1 has been MIA for quite awhile now. In short, people will be drawn to good headphones when they are exposed to them with an open mind. Maybe the best people to judge headphones are the ones who don't care about them at all. People hate them on the internet because they've seen arguments like this that prove Beats are not good headphones. [ Register or Signin to view external links. ] although I think it could be even more persuasive and maybe less belittling. Some similar alternatives could have been pointed out as well instead of focusing on a neutral sound signature as the holy grail of audio quality.

If all you're after is active noise cancelling, Bose actually does the best job with that, despite falling short on the sound quality for the price. If that's all you're after and you're willing to shell out, nobody should try to convince you it's a bad decision out of anti-Bose bias. Still, you can pay a fraction of the price and get an in-ear monitor (IEM) that has better isolation, durability (Bose headphones are not built very well), portability, and sound quality for the price. You'd probably like the Shure SE215, for instance, because it's bassy, comfortable, and extremely well-isolating.

r00t wrote

Acyd wrote

You know, I'm simple. I buy the two dollar iPod earbuds and I'm happy. I can listen to my music, videos or games that I maybe playing on my laptop. Then again I rather not waste money on HEADPHONES. I don't care what brand you're defending, spending that much on a pair of earphones is beyond ridicules.

I drive a 1997 Volvo 850 I was able to get from a family friend for $500. It's got about $1000 of work and new parts in it to make it do what I need it to. I could say I don't see the point of buying a fun project Nissan or Subaru and spending huge amounts of time fixing it up or shelling out for a high-end sports car. But that would be ridiculous, right? Everyone knows they'd like a nice car. The problem with what you're saying is that you don't understand our hobby because you probably haven't tried it. Don't knock something you don't understand and, believe it or not, people will like things you don't like.

"Don't knock something you don't understand and, believe it or not, people will like things you don't like." - r00t

Yet you knock other people's opinions and won't let them like what you don't? JESUS CHRIST, TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE.



You're literally the most hypocritical person on this website.


You'll sit there and claim how it's your hobby, but you bash on people for purchasing beats or a pair of headphones that they choose to because they're appealing to them. My hobby? Photography. But that doesn't mean I go around claiming people who purchase point-and-shoot cameras are wasting their money, or that their product is inferior to my Canon Mark 5D III because I chose to research and study the product I was purchasing, and compared it to it's competitors. If it is your hobby, and you do buy headsets because you love them? Let people buy headsets for their reasons, and respect people and their own opinions whether it contradicts with yours or it isn't something you would recommend them purchasing - even if they're wasting their money, at least they're enjoying their product in the same way you enjoy yours? You state and have agreed that "sound is subject to opinion" but when people like an inferior pair of headphones over yours? You start stating facts about how their headset is horrible, or isn't up to par with your standards. I think the real issue here is the fact you're upset that people have their own opinions, and people like things you don't like and you can't handle knowing someone is happy with what they own whether it's the best out there or not, but because it's what they wanted.



Who really cares if they're spending money the way they choose to, and does it really affect you? Think about it.. I'll wait.



You really are arrogant, and everything Cynic stated about you thinking you're an expert about headsets is actually quite amusing because I too can agree that you're conceited about your opinions, even if they're fact - You boast and you brag and you rub it in other people's faces when they want something you don't like. Honestly if you like headsets? Cool. If it's your hobby? Great! But if you're going to have an opinion that conflicts with others, at least treat them with respect rather than trying to act as though you know everything (mind you, you don't. You know a lot, maybe just a little, but not everything) so quit acting as though you do.



Right now? I could use Google, and defeat you in an argument about headphones, or even come to an agreement without having any knowledge of headphones (I actually do, I own a few pairs btw) just because there are articles all over the internet (and dark web) that would help and aid me in having a discussion with you about them. But is it really impressive? No. Because being "intelligent" on the internet isn't difficult nor does fighting and arguing over who haS the largest e-peen really get you anywhere in life. I mean, really now.





Grow up. Learn to respect other people's opinions if you want them to listen to yours. Honestly - Still in high-school? It shows.



[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] <---- This is you, no literally. Grow up, child.

I can afford them, but dont want them, I dont like them. I dont see any reason to pay crazy amounts of money for headphones when I can get some for 20$.

Heres a rant for you-

People who rant on people who dont like something. People are entitled to not like something, and for someone to make a post complaining that some people dont enjoy something they do, is completely asinine and a waste of space on this site.

Wisest wrote

r00t wrote

Acyd wrote

You know, I'm simple. I buy the two dollar iPod earbuds and I'm happy. I can listen to my music, videos or games that I maybe playing on my laptop. Then again I rather not waste money on HEADPHONES. I don't care what brand you're defending, spending that much on a pair of earphones is beyond ridicules.

I drive a 1997 Volvo 850 I was able to get from a family friend for $500. It's got about $1000 of work and new parts in it to make it do what I need it to. I could say I don't see the point of buying a fun project Nissan or Subaru and spending huge amounts of time fixing it up or shelling out for a high-end sports car. But that would be ridiculous, right? Everyone knows they'd like a nice car. The problem with what you're saying is that you don't understand our hobby because you probably haven't tried it. Don't knock something you don't understand and, believe it or not, people will like things you don't like.

"Don't knock something you don't understand and, believe it or not, people will like things you don't like." - r00t

Yet you knock other people's opinions and won't let them like what you don't? JESUS CHRIST, TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE.

You're literally the most hypocritical person on this website.

You'll sit there and claim how it's your hobby, but you bash on people for purchasing beats or a pair of headphones that they choose to because they're appealing to them. My hobby? Photography. But that doesn't mean I go around claiming people who purchase point-and-shoot cameras are wasting their money, or that their product is inferior to my Canon Mark 5D III because I chose to research and study the product I was purchasing, and compared it to it's competitors. If it is your hobby, and you do buy headsets because you love them? Let people buy headsets for their reasons, and respect people and their own opinions whether it contradicts with yours or it isn't something you would recommend them purchasing - even if they're wasting their money, at least they're enjoying their product in the same way you enjoy yours? You state and have agreed the "sound is subject to opinion" but when people like an inferior pair of headphones over yours? You start stating facts about how their headset is horrible, or isn't up to par with your standards. I think the real issue here is the fact you're upset that people have their own opinions, and people like things you don't like and you can't handle knowing someone is happy with what they own whether or not it's the best out there, but because it's what they wanted.

Who really cares if they're spending money the way they choose to, and does it really affect you? Think about it.. I'll wait.

You really are arrogant, and everything Cynic stated about you thinking you're an expert about headsets is actually quite amusing because I too can agree that you're conceited about your opinions, even if they're fact - You boast and you brag and you rub it in other people's faces when they want something you don't like. Honestly if you like headsets? Cool. If it's your hobby? Great! But if you're going to have an opinion that conflicts with others, at least treat them with respect rather than trying to act as though you know everything (mind you, you don't. You know a lot, maybe just a little, but not everything) so quit acting as though you do.

Right now? I could use Google, and defeat you in an argument about headphones, or even come to an agreement without having any knowledge of headphones (I actually do, I own a few pairs btw) just because there are articles all over the internet (and dark web) that would help and aid me in having a discussion with you about them. But is it really impressive? No. Because being "intelligent" on the internet isn't difficult nor does fighting and arguing over who haS the largest e-peen really get you anywhere in life. I mean, really now.

Grow up. Learn to respect other people's opinions if you want them to listen to yours. Honestly - Still in high-school? It shows.

[ Register or Signin to view external links. ] <---- This is you, no literally. Grow up, child.

I can knock things I understand because I've spent quite a lot of time making sure I understand them. I'm fully aware that people like their Beats and I leave them alone until they decide they need to tell the world how great their headphones are, at which point I WILL make an argument. If people are happy with their purchase, though, I am too. If people are happy with Dollar Store earbuds, I don't knock them for it, but when they say it's stupid that someone would pay more for quality, they're going to get a response.

What I do is provide alternate suggestions for people buying headphones that I believe they would like more than Beats, not attack them for liking an inferior product. I don't do what you say I do, going around bashing people that bought something else. Imagine if there was a camera that was priced like your 5D but performed like a point-and-shoot. I'd imagine and hope you would step in and suggest a better purchase.

Sound is subject to opinion to a certain extent, but with Beats you can get a headphone that has the same sort of sound signature for a fraction of the price. Again, people use this "sound is preference" argument to excuse anything and somehow think they can establish a preference after hearing only one of the possibilities. I seem to recall OP saying he liked bass and I would like to point out that the Beats Studio completely lacks half of the bass spectrum. If he was looking for a headphone that had literally no sub-bass, he'd have it with the Studio, but clearly that's not what he's after.

I understand that people are happy with what they want, but when they make outlandish claims about their own headphones, I will make an argument. Why would I get upset over someone else's opinions? I don't have any social disorders that I'm aware of. If people didn't care if what they got was the best out there, they shouldn't post claiming it is and that people who disagree with them are wrong.

I don't care how people spend their money but I do like helping people buy things that make them happy. I don't see how this is an issue.

Conceited in my opinions? I post arguments based on facts and observations in response to people disagreeing with me. I thought that was how people argued. I don't rub anything in peoples' faces and I'm not stupid enough to think I know everything. Nor do I act like it.

E-peen? For my "internet intelligence?" And "defeating me" in an argument about headphones... Get a load of this guy.

Yep, still in high-school like a lot of the members of this site. Uhhhh, welcome to TTG? I respect the opinions of others but that can't be used as an excuse to deny facts. My iBuds are better than your $2,000 custom IEMs and you can't disagree with me because that wouldn't be respecting muh pinyuns. This headphone opinion argument is like me, knowing very little about cameras, saying I prefer the Kodak somethingorother to the Canon somethingorother because it takes pretty pictures.

EDIT: @ZimmerFrame LOLD

Their skull candies are probably better than your beats though. Your's are fake so won't be as good as the really thing.

r00t you are a c*nt