Sony's PS3 mistakes helped Xbox 360 succeed

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Robbie Bach, former president of Microsoft's Entertainment & Devices Division, says Xbox 360's success is partly down to Sony's mismanagement of the transition from PS2 to PS3.

Speaking at the Northwest Entrepreneur Network (via GeekWire), Bach said it was vitally important for companies to capitalise on their rivals' mistakes.
"Some of the success of Xbox was due to the fact that Sony did some really not so smart things," he suggested. "They mismanaged their 70 percent market share. It's a long conversation.

"The transition to PlayStation 3 was really, really bad. And really hard. They mismanaged their partners, they mismanaged their cost structure. They made their next platform so complicated that developers couldn't develop for it."

Another factor in Xbox 360's success was Microsoft's ability to strike up strong partnerships with publishers like EA and Activision.

"When you're doing a startup, you need friends," Bach said. "It's just the way life works. It turned out we were able to convince retailers and publishers like Activision, Electronic Arts and others, that it was a good thing for Microsoft to be successful, because if we were not successful, the only game in town was Sony. Being dependent on somebody else was bad for them, and so they supported us disproportionately to what they should have, mathematically."

Bach also described the infamous Xbox 360 'Red Ring of Death' hardware failures, which cost Microsoft $1 billion in warranty extensions, as "the most painful thing in my life".

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Source: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/347440/sonys-ps3-mistakes-helped-xbox-360-succeed-says-former-ms-games-boss/

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simonsuadePosted:

_Pure Bottom line here people!
PS3 online was down for like 3months just because Gay Sony couldnt do there job right by keeping PS3 secure.
I had both XBOX 360 and PS3 when PS3 got hacked. I sold my PS3 to get MORE games for my XBOX 360.
Still dont regret it to this day!
lets be honest here. PS3 cant even have PRIVATE CHAT!, and the mic quality is absaloutly awful!
XBOX OWNS PS3, Period!


YAAAA I COMPLETELY AGREEE XBOX RULES!!! AND i try the ps3 i got one for uncharted for a few days.....i returned that piece of crap system the next 5hrs i try playing online and mic sucks...the asian hand made controller is just to small - and really ppl on there are "trolls"

simonsuadePosted:

DOGGY- idk what grade your in but plzzz learn to do math- haha your estimation as they show are wrong and also your opinions- plz keep them as opinions- dumbass what we pay for every year we actually get out of it. ps3 is just a badly rushed made and pushed system. why do you think we always get map packs first- or exclusives- like the guy mention above EA AND ACTIVISION. great friends- what does ps3 have? ponder on that. and get back to me stupid troll

_PurePosted:

Bottom line here people!
PS3 online was down for like 3months just because Gay Sony couldnt do there job right by keeping PS3 secure.
I had both XBOX 360 and PS3 when PS3 got hacked. I sold my PS3 to get MORE games for my XBOX 360.
Still dont regret it to this day!
lets be honest here. PS3 cant even have PRIVATE CHAT!, and the mic quality is absaloutly awful!
XBOX OWNS PS3, Period!

PDMSTINKYEYEPosted:

iPro_Dino
Kinkafied No console is indefinately better as everyone uses a console diffirently the best console is all down to the individual...

A few points though:
All consoles have lag its what you get for having **** net on server games or joining firirgn servers or having s bad host on p2p hosted games like cod.

WiFi isn't 100% better, ethernet carries a better connection anyway, WiFi is just a convienence.

From what I can tell Xbox users pay for a fuller package online which I find a more easy to use and more enjoyable atmosphere for streaming, gaming, talking, parties, private chats etc. Where as ps3 seems a more basic online experience for interaction but still does a good job.

alot of the time mix trouble is controller/connected device trouble or more commonly human error e.g. Being out of range , knocking the mic jack out, dropping mics, or in general not looking after things very well. I don't get how people break mics so easy as I still have my halo3 mic n it still world fine but I use my trittins for a fuller gaming experience.


Bottom line is....the wii is better


funny cause u never hear anybody talk about the gay wii and u never see any forms or homepages that wii on homw page so gtfo sincerly xbox ps3 and pc games

PDMSTINKYEYEPosted:

stinkyeye
wolfsdsa
Doggy_Shizz umm i like how people say xbow is better but you're wrong

1st
xboxs credit info has been hacked into BUT you didn't know that did you but yes as of 3 months ago "hackers" have stolen credit card info paypal ect. THIS PROBLEM STILL HASENT BEEN FIXED why because microsoft is ignoring it. hoping for it to go away and just to say i rather have a company thats plays it safe and shut access to psn completely down.
2nd
ps3 is now HARDER TO HACK THEN XBOX as we can't just put a usb in anymore you have to buy a E3 flasher and downgrade it and its very easy to mess up. On the other hand "hackers" have the root keys to the 360 meaning ANY XBOX360 CAN BE J-TAGED.
3rd
the reason why ps3 has had bad servers is completely un-heard off as not once have i had a issue with lag xbox on the other hand has a host migration every 5 minutes.
4th
i play ps3 to not talk to people in games i use it to "get away" like really can you seriously say that you like xbox because it has party chat congratulations you pay $60 to be able to talk to you friends. But wait you have to use a $40 xbox mic but for ps3 you can use whatever.


XBOX 360 PS3
Hard drive (200GB) : $100 Included with ps3
Controller (wireless) : $50 $40
Mic (wireless) : $50 $5-60
Wireless adapter : $100 Built in
Key pad : $35 $25
Battery (re-chargeable): $35 Built in
Adds on dash :1-70% 5%
Online cost :$60 $0
System cost :$250 $250
TOTAL :$680 $375
lol your price estimations are completly off

Xbox 360 PS3
Hard drive 250 (included) | Hard drive Only 160gb!
Wireless controller(included) | (included)
Mic(included) | PS3 mic $50
Wireless (included) | (included)
Key Pad (Not needed) | $50 (Needed)
Re-chargeable battery pack (not needed) | (included)
Online (Amazon) $50 | Free
System $300 | $250

360 Total: $350 | ps3 Total: $350

It is also very apparent that you have no idea what your talking about...

1. The only credit information that has been taken from previously owned harddrives and not from XBL

2. Jtags can no longer be used online

3. As for lag, both consoles have it, get over it

4. The whole point of XBL and PSN is to be able to play with other people and be social, just because your anti-social doesn't mean XBL parties are bad, nor do people pay $50-60 solely for party chat. -_-


**** pls u dont know **** xbox 1.better exclusives halo mineraft trails fable gears forza ect. map packs first 3.better marketplace 4.online way better 5.controllers alot more comfortable 6.cost ps3 with160 gig 350 xbox with 350 gig and kinect and 2 free games and 3 mouths of xbl 7.new xboxs dont get red rings all it was in xboxs was a heating problem fixed that and ived had 4 xboxs since 2006 and they all still work i have 3 old 360 and 1 new 360 8.xbox live parties and private chat 9.u can play xbox on all new 2012 smart phones 10.more opitions ps3 fanboys stop trying to to talk trash and say halo sucks cause apprently e3 and gameimformer says other wise every halo game rated 9.0 or higher all the halos hav been rated best first person shooter of the year and dont free online cause u get what u pay for also gaming comanies rather be parners with xbox then ps3 also ps3 fanboys just face facts xbox is better yea ps3 is good game console but ive had both and i soild my ps3 for more xbox games heres my list of game consoils xbox pc ps3 wii


forgot to add price of xbox 350 and it also comes with 2 controllers and a headset Doggy_Shizz u dont know shhiiittttt!!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! so go get yo facts right

PDMSTINKYEYEPosted:

wolfsdsa
Doggy_Shizz umm i like how people say xbow is better but you're wrong

1st
xboxs credit info has been hacked into BUT you didn't know that did you but yes as of 3 months ago "hackers" have stolen credit card info paypal ect. THIS PROBLEM STILL HASENT BEEN FIXED why because microsoft is ignoring it. hoping for it to go away and just to say i rather have a company thats plays it safe and shut access to psn completely down.
2nd
ps3 is now HARDER TO HACK THEN XBOX as we can't just put a usb in anymore you have to buy a E3 flasher and downgrade it and its very easy to mess up. On the other hand "hackers" have the root keys to the 360 meaning ANY XBOX360 CAN BE J-TAGED.
3rd
the reason why ps3 has had bad servers is completely un-heard off as not once have i had a issue with lag xbox on the other hand has a host migration every 5 minutes.
4th
i play ps3 to not talk to people in games i use it to "get away" like really can you seriously say that you like xbox because it has party chat congratulations you pay $60 to be able to talk to you friends. But wait you have to use a $40 xbox mic but for ps3 you can use whatever.


XBOX 360 PS3
Hard drive (200GB) : $100 Included with ps3
Controller (wireless) : $50 $40
Mic (wireless) : $50 $5-60
Wireless adapter : $100 Built in
Key pad : $35 $25
Battery (re-chargeable): $35 Built in
Adds on dash :1-70% 5%
Online cost :$60 $0
System cost :$250 $250
TOTAL :$680 $375
lol your price estimations are completly off

Xbox 360 PS3
Hard drive 250 (included) | Hard drive Only 160gb!
Wireless controller(included) | (included)
Mic(included) | PS3 mic $50
Wireless (included) | (included)
Key Pad (Not needed) | $50 (Needed)
Re-chargeable battery pack (not needed) | (included)
Online (Amazon) $50 | Free
System $300 | $250

360 Total: $350 | ps3 Total: $350

It is also very apparent that you have no idea what your talking about...

1. The only credit information that has been taken from previously owned harddrives and not from XBL

2. Jtags can no longer be used online

3. As for lag, both consoles have it, get over it

4. The whole point of XBL and PSN is to be able to play with other people and be social, just because your anti-social doesn't mean XBL parties are bad, nor do people pay $50-60 solely for party chat. -_-


bitch pls u dont know shit xbox 1.better exclusives halo mineraft trails fable gears forza ect. map packs first 3.better marketplace 4.online way better 5.controllers alot more comfortable 6.cost ps3 with160 gig 350 xbox with 350 gig and kinect and 2 free games and 3 mouths of xbl 7.new xboxs dont get red rings all it was in xboxs was a heating problem fixed that and ived had 4 xboxs since 2006 and they all still work i have 3 old 360 and 1 new 360 8.xbox live parties and private chat 9.u can play xbox on all new 2012 smart phones 10.more opitions ps3 fanboys stop trying to to talk trash and say halo sucks cause apprently e3 and gameimformer says other wise every halo game rated 9.0 or higher all the halos hav been rated best first person shooter of the year and dont free online cause u get what u pay for also gaming comanies rather be parners with xbox then ps3 also ps3 fanboys just face facts xbox is better yea ps3 is good game console but ive had both and i soild my ps3 for more xbox games heres my list of game consoils xbox pc ps3 wii

-Robin-Posted:

i remember getting red rings.
Those were funny days

iPro_DinoPosted:

Kinkafied No console is indefinately better as everyone uses a console diffirently the best console is all down to the individual...

A few points though:
All consoles have lag its what you get for having **** net on server games or joining firirgn servers or having s bad host on p2p hosted games like cod.

WiFi isn't 100% better, ethernet carries a better connection anyway, WiFi is just a convienence.

From what I can tell Xbox users pay for a fuller package online which I find a more easy to use and more enjoyable atmosphere for streaming, gaming, talking, parties, private chats etc. Where as ps3 seems a more basic online experience for interaction but still does a good job.

alot of the time mix trouble is controller/connected device trouble or more commonly human error e.g. Being out of range , knocking the mic jack out, dropping mics, or in general not looking after things very well. I don't get how people break mics so easy as I still have my halo3 mic n it still world fine but I use my trittins for a fuller gaming experience.


Bottom line is....the wii is better

CyberPunkPosted:

No console is indefinately better as everyone uses a console diffirently the best console is all down to the individual...

A few points though:
All consoles have lag its what you get for having shit net on server games or joining firirgn servers or having s bad host on p2p hosted games like cod.

WiFi isn't 100% better, ethernet carries a better connection anyway, WiFi is just a convienence.

From what I can tell Xbox users pay for a fuller package online which I find a more easy to use and more enjoyable atmosphere for streaming, gaming, talking, parties, private chats etc. Where as ps3 seems a more basic online experience for interaction but still does a good job.

alot of the time mix trouble is controller/connected device trouble or more commonly human error e.g. Being out of range , knocking the mic jack out, dropping mics, or in general not looking after things very well. I don't get how people break mics so easy as I still have my halo3 mic n it still world fine but I use my trittins for a fuller gaming experience.

wolfsdsaPosted:

Doggy_Shizz umm i like how people say xbow is better but you're wrong

1st
xboxs credit info has been hacked into BUT you didn't know that did you but yes as of 3 months ago "hackers" have stolen credit card info paypal ect. THIS PROBLEM STILL HASENT BEEN FIXED why because microsoft is ignoring it. hoping for it to go away and just to say i rather have a company thats plays it safe and shut access to psn completely down.
2nd
ps3 is now HARDER TO HACK THEN XBOX as we can't just put a usb in anymore you have to buy a E3 flasher and downgrade it and its very easy to mess up. On the other hand "hackers" have the root keys to the 360 meaning ANY XBOX360 CAN BE J-TAGED.
3rd
the reason why ps3 has had bad servers is completely un-heard off as not once have i had a issue with lag xbox on the other hand has a host migration every 5 minutes.
4th
i play ps3 to not talk to people in games i use it to "get away" like really can you seriously say that you like xbox because it has party chat congratulations you pay $60 to be able to talk to you friends. But wait you have to use a $40 xbox mic but for ps3 you can use whatever.


XBOX 360 PS3
Hard drive (200GB) : $100 Included with ps3
Controller (wireless) : $50 $40
Mic (wireless) : $50 $5-60
Wireless adapter : $100 Built in
Key pad : $35 $25
Battery (re-chargeable): $35 Built in
Adds on dash :1-70% 5%
Online cost :$60 $0
System cost :$250 $250
TOTAL :$680 $375
lol your price estimations are completly off

Xbox 360 PS3
Hard drive 250 (included) | Hard drive Only 160gb!
Wireless controller(included) | (included)
Mic(included) | PS3 mic $50
Wireless (included) | (included)
Key Pad (Not needed) | $50 (Needed)
Re-chargeable battery pack (not needed) | (included)
Online (Amazon) $50 | Free
System $300 | $250

360 Total: $350 | ps3 Total: $350

It is also very apparent that you have no idea what your talking about...

1. The only credit information that has been taken from previously owned harddrives and not from XBL

2. Jtags can no longer be used online

3. As for lag, both consoles have it, get over it

4. The whole point of XBL and PSN is to be able to play with other people and be social, just because your anti-social doesn't mean XBL parties are bad, nor do people pay $50-60 solely for party chat. -_-