CoD Developer Seeks Balance Between “Quickscopers” and “Hardscopers”

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David Vonderhaar, Gameplay Designer at Treyarch, sits down with Call of Duty fans in an attempt to find peace in the war between “quickscopers” and “hardscopers”.

First, a quick definition of terms: A “quickscoper” can be considered someone who fires a high-powered rifle (usually a bolt-action sniper rifle in this case) immediately after acquiring a target using the game’s built-in crosshairs, taking little to almost no time to aim down the the sights of the rifle scope; a risky but efficient maneuver. “Hardscopers” seek targets in the more traditional sense of scanning the battlefield while aimed down the sights of a rifle scope and firing from this scoped state, usually from an advantageous position.

Along with the rise of quickscoping — a technique that caught some attention possibly during the CoD 2 era, but gained commercial popularity during Modern Warfare 2 — came the controversial debate of whether it can be considered a legitimate technique, or does it exploit the mechanics of a first-person shooter, giving an unfair advantage to the user? Call of Duty developers, Treyarch, made conscious effort to keep 2010′s Black Ops free of such “exploitations”, while Infinity Ward’s recent Modern Warfare 3 embraced it with open arms.

In a conversation with Call of Duty fans, Vonderhaar stated, “I’d like to sit down with the worlds best drag & quickscopers and those who despise it and find something directly in the middle.” He continued, “ADS [Aim Down Sight] sway as well as the ADS and hipfire aim assist (ranges) are tunable on a per gun level. Let’s do this.” To get down to specifics, he then proposed, “.4 ADS raise time. No ‘random bullet.’ Limited hip fire aim assist (MW1 was 1000 inches of hip fire aim assist). Thoughts?” He then clarified that “0.4 is the average on a MW1 style sniper.”

Some fans have expressed concern over receiving only a hit marker when achieving a clear shot to the chest in Black Ops. Vonderhaar explained that this is common “when you are used to ‘chest’ being all the same thing.” However, he admits, ”we wanted it to be a precision shot. Upper torso or head but it was probably too confusing in the end.” It “also had to do with penetration settings,” he added. “You can’t hit a guy in the chest without hitting his arms and hands and sometimes gun first,” which may have added to players’ frustrations.

Vonderhaar was also asked if the possibility of removing aim assist was optional, something that many quickscope nay-sayers would argue is the source of their frustration. He replied, “Yes. It’s now possible to remove aim (hip and ads) from a gun. He also admitted, “the gun not shooting straight till 100% scoped in caused a lot of confusion and frustration for snipers.”

To close, Vonderhaar stated these words: “Balance. That place in the middle where everyone is equally pissed off. Thanks for sharing your passion with me. Reading every reply.”

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Source: http://mp1st.com/2012/02/18/call-of-duty-developer-seeks-balance-between-quickscopers-and-hardscopers/

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tyler4funPosted:

Just go back to COD4 Sniping and all these but hurt bitches playing mw2/3 Quick scoping will just stay there or learn how to actually snipe.

AttackoAttackPosted:

You people that are so "against" quickscoping need to stop thinking about yourselves, theyre not just gonna make a game to your likings, theres people that like quick scoping and theres people that dont, if they take it out then the quick scopers wont buy the game, if they keep it, then the "non" quick scopers can still play the fu cking game, learn how to strafe and around them and kill them, if you cant do that then thats your problem, dont expect them to make sh it all pretty for you, they make the game so that EVERYONE can play, if theres something you dont like then DONT DO IT!! and learn to stop the ones that are doing it, cause i sure can stop a quickscoper, and i can also quickscope the sh it out of you, so stop expecting them to make the game the way you want it made, cause YOU are just a fraction to the amount of players that play call of duty, if they made the game only to your liking they would be losing money, so stop bit ching and just play the game, theres plenty of ways to stop a quickscoper LEARN!!!!!!! instead of being on here bi tching all day go play the dam n game and youll figure it out eventually, cause i for one dont have a problem with quickscopers, why cant it be the same for you? step your fu cking GAME UP!

Bring_WaW_BackPosted:

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Jagermeister
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Will51 If u buy a game just 2 zoom in faster with a sniper rifle your a fuuucking looser
I hate quickscoping

lol i bet your a shi tty little camper who sits on his arse and waits for people to pass by. your the fu cking loser! a ret ard could use a fully auto weapon and hold both the aim and trigger button and then move the right thumbstick all over the place, it takes no skill to run around with a full auto gun and spray, it takes alot of skill to have good reactions and quickscope a guy if hes shooting at you, you sir no fu ck all, please close your account and sell your mw3!



If that were true, and quickscoping was skill, every pro and normal player could quickscope, but it's not true. It's luck, not skill>>Your HOPING to hit the person. Your HOPING it's a headsot. Your HOPING the person dies instantly.
It isn't luck one bit, it takes skill!

Also maybe everyone doesn't do it, because they dont want to ? It takes practice you retarded specimen, so that's why every pro and normal player can't do, because they haven't practised/tried it...


You sir. Are probably the most retarded person I have ever SEEN. You're saying quickscoping takes skill? Are you retarded? The first guy was right. It's all luck, you're just hoping to kill the guy because you scope in fast. It's retarded. You're telling me that people like you who go negative every game because they want to quickscope for some stupid montage takes skill? You're the reason why some people hate COD, we join a game and idiots like you who spin around with 360's and throwing knives up in the air hoping to get someone while we do all the work capturing flags and planting bombs. It takes no skill what so ever. I'd like to see you play against pro teams with a automatic gun if you say that takes no "skill".


if quickscoping was luck than anyone could do it at the same skill level, but it is not

if you and i quickscoped against each other, i would win because i am better, not because i am luckier

heck, i'd beat you if you were using a f***ing ACR


I'm fine with slower ADS, i use Marathon anyway
QUICK SCOPING IS STUPID ITS 99% LUCK, 1% SKILL. ITS NOT REALISTIC AND IT RUINES THE GAME. I DONT SEE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ QUICK SCOPING

Im_MikePosted:

-Smiles-
Jagermeister
Stevs
XxModioxModzxX
PuLse_Gaming
Will51 If u buy a game just 2 zoom in faster with a sniper rifle your a fuuucking looser
I hate quickscoping

lol i bet your a shi tty little camper who sits on his arse and waits for people to pass by. your the fu cking loser! a ret ard could use a fully auto weapon and hold both the aim and trigger button and then move the right thumbstick all over the place, it takes no skill to run around with a full auto gun and spray, it takes alot of skill to have good reactions and quickscope a guy if hes shooting at you, you sir no fu ck all, please close your account and sell your mw3!



If that were true, and quickscoping was skill, every pro and normal player could quickscope, but it's not true. It's luck, not skill>>Your HOPING to hit the person. Your HOPING it's a headsot. Your HOPING the person dies instantly.
It isn't luck one bit, it takes skill!

Also maybe everyone doesn't do it, because they dont want to ? It takes practice you retarded specimen, so that's why every pro and normal player can't do, because they haven't practised/tried it...


You sir. Are probably the most retarded person I have ever SEEN. You're saying quickscoping takes skill? Are you retarded? The first guy was right. It's all luck, you're just hoping to kill the guy because you scope in fast. It's retarded. You're telling me that people like you who go negative every game because they want to quickscope for some stupid montage takes skill? You're the reason why some people hate COD, we join a game and idiots like you who spin around with 360's and throwing knives up in the air hoping to get someone while we do all the work capturing flags and planting bombs. It takes no skill what so ever. I'd like to see you play against pro teams with a automatic gun if you say that takes no "skill".


if quickscoping was luck than anyone could do it at the same skill level, but it is not

if you and i quickscoped against each other, i would win because i am better, not because i am luckier

heck, i'd beat you if you were using a f***ing ACR


I'm fine with slower ADS, i use Marathon anyway


Your right it does take skill to quickscope. I remember when I first started psshh that was awhile ago but I remember it took me so long just to actually aim in and shoot right when the scope was there and to actually aim where the person was smfh lol i was lucky to even hit someone standing still two feet away!

Im_MikePosted:

I think they should make a custom game mode in private match like they did in MW3 like infected or drop zone and make a mode for quick scoping... Then online if they wanna quick scope ppl would just have to deal with a slow ADS like cod4
I think what they want is quickscoping to improve the game and the amount of ppl playing but at the same time they don't want to give in to the community and say you know what you guys win here's easier quickscoping.
With the private Match idea they won't have to worry about quickscoping online and people rage quitting all time and just have fun in their own private match where they don't have to worry about Their KDR or a sniper running up to ur face and qs u.

Say something back if you think I'm right!

-TaylorPosted:

Jagermeister
Stevs
XxModioxModzxX
PuLse_Gaming
Will51 If u buy a game just 2 zoom in faster with a sniper rifle your a fuuucking looser
I hate quickscoping

lol i bet your a shi tty little camper who sits on his arse and waits for people to pass by. your the fu cking loser! a ret ard could use a fully auto weapon and hold both the aim and trigger button and then move the right thumbstick all over the place, it takes no skill to run around with a full auto gun and spray, it takes alot of skill to have good reactions and quickscope a guy if hes shooting at you, you sir no fu ck all, please close your account and sell your mw3!



If that were true, and quickscoping was skill, every pro and normal player could quickscope, but it's not true. It's luck, not skill>>Your HOPING to hit the person. Your HOPING it's a headsot. Your HOPING the person dies instantly.
It isn't luck one bit, it takes skill!

Also maybe everyone doesn't do it, because they dont want to ? It takes practice you retarded specimen, so that's why every pro and normal player can't do, because they haven't practised/tried it...


You sir. Are probably the most retarded person I have ever SEEN. You're saying quickscoping takes skill? Are you retarded? The first guy was right. It's all luck, you're just hoping to kill the guy because you scope in fast. It's retarded. You're telling me that people like you who go negative every game because they want to quickscope for some stupid montage takes skill? You're the reason why some people hate COD, we join a game and idiots like you who spin around with 360's and throwing knives up in the air hoping to get someone while we do all the work capturing flags and planting bombs. It takes no skill what so ever. I'd like to see you play against pro teams with a automatic gun if you say that takes no "skill".


if quickscoping was luck than anyone could do it at the same skill level, but it is not

if you and i quickscoped against each other, i would win because i am better, not because i am luckier

heck, i'd beat you if you were using a f***ing ACR


I'm fine with slower ADS, i use Marathon anyway

Im_MikePosted:

I think they should make a custom game mode in private match like they did in MW3 like infected or drop zone and make a mode for quick scoping... Then online if they wanna quick scope ppl would just have to deal with a slow ADS like cod4
I think what they want is quickscoping to improve the game and the amount of ppl playing but at the same time they don't want to give in to the community and say you know what you guys win here's easier quickscoping.
With the private Match idea they won't have to worry about quickscoping online and people rage quitting all time and just have fun in their own private match where they don't have to worry about Their KDR or a sniper running up to ur face and qs u.

Say something back if you think I'm right!

-TaylorPosted:

Will51 If u buy a game just 2 zoom in faster with a sniper rifle your a fuuucking looser
I hate quickscoping

your just bad at it....

all i do is quick scope competitively, nothing else. its just more fun than reg guns and is harder to do

its harder to quick scope someone than spray them with a machine gun so stop whining

JagermeisterPosted:

Stevs
XxModioxModzxX
PuLse_Gaming
Will51 If u buy a game just 2 zoom in faster with a sniper rifle your a fuuucking looser
I hate quickscoping

lol i bet your a shi tty little camper who sits on his arse and waits for people to pass by. your the fu cking loser! a ret ard could use a fully auto weapon and hold both the aim and trigger button and then move the right thumbstick all over the place, it takes no skill to run around with a full auto gun and spray, it takes alot of skill to have good reactions and quickscope a guy if hes shooting at you, you sir no fu ck all, please close your account and sell your mw3!



If that were true, and quickscoping was skill, every pro and normal player could quickscope, but it's not true. It's luck, not skill>>Your HOPING to hit the person. Your HOPING it's a headsot. Your HOPING the person dies instantly.
It isn't luck one bit, it takes skill!

Also maybe everyone doesn't do it, because they dont want to ? It takes practice you retarded specimen, so that's why every pro and normal player can't do, because they haven't practised/tried it...


You sir. Are probably the most retarded person I have ever SEEN. You're saying quickscoping takes skill? Are you retarded? The first guy was right. It's all luck, you're just hoping to kill the guy because you scope in fast. It's retarded. You're telling me that people like you who go negative every game because they want to quickscope for some stupid montage takes skill? You're the reason why some people hate COD, we join a game and idiots like you who spin around with 360's and throwing knives up in the air hoping to get someone while we do all the work capturing flags and planting bombs. It takes no skill what so ever. I'd like to see you play against pro teams with a automatic gun if you say that takes no "skill".

LicencePosted:

AoT make it exactly like cod4. there you go, problem solved. take off that stupid quickdraw pro bullsh*t. that is what ruined quickscoping

not really? its just a matter of opinion.