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Thoughts on the i9-9900k chip combined with the asrock z390 gaming X MB? I ask because I'm so unfamiliar with amd.i like a lot of your changes, I couldnt seem to find Sargent rocket in 3.0 Only found in 4.0 and I heard those ssd's run hot so certainly a good find. I agree i went overkill on the power supply. But main changes seem to be the CPU and MB. From what I hear, doesnt AMD have to be overclocked to keep up with intel?
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Ryzen 3000 doesn't overclock too well tbh, so it's best to just leave it at stock settings, let PBO and XFR do their thing.

An R7 3700x($300) performs similarly to an i9-9900k($500). Both 8 cores, 16 threads.
The i9 will win in games on average but it depends entirely on the game.
The R7 will win in most real multi-threaded workloads.

You can get a 12 core, 24 thread R9 3900x for the same price as an i9-9900k. It's really no contest in my opinion. Even with an R9 3900x, you can upgrade CPU without changing your motherboard. For example, to the 16 core, 32 thread R9 3950x in my "overkill" parts list. Ryzen 4000 might even be compatible with AM4.
With an i9-9900k, you have no upgrade without a new motherboard.

AM4 is just the better investment IMO. It's also worth considering how cheap Ryzen 2000 is now on the used market, and even new. I imagine Ryzen 3000 could get pretty cheap over the next year, so if you buy a 3700x now and decide to uprade to a 3900x or 3950x later, they'll probably be a good bit cheaper than $500 and $750 respectively.


Honestly, if I were to recommend a Z390 motherboard, I'd have to do some research. It's been so long since I've recommended Intel that I can't remember which of the Z390's are the good ones.
I think the Gigabyte AORUS series were the best for Z390 but again, I'd have to check that.
Although, as I've explained, I would recommend AM4 over Intel 100%.


For PSU, I just changed it because it's more than enough wattage and better quality than the EVGA GQ. An 850W would be fine if it's better quality and well priced but 650W is already plenty tbh.

Yelir25 wrote I couldnt seem to find Sargent rocket in 3.0 Only found in 4.0

If you click on the parts list link on my post, it will take you to PCPartPicker which will have a link to the product. The SSD is "Sabrent Rocket Q 2TB" on Amazon. It is a PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD.
The PCIe 4.0 Sabrent Rocket is probably far more expensive, and is entirely unnecessary. Even the PCIe 3.0 Rocket Q is silly fast.
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Okay tbh I need to do a lot more research with the information you've given. That being said I have a couple more questions that will really help with the rest of my research.

Initially you said the cpu cores and threads are always necessarily the thing to be watching. Well what makes the ryzen 9 3950x good? The cores right?

And the MB I picked. MSI MEG Z390 GODLIKE. Why would that not make *sense* with the build im going for compared to the MB you suggested in the overkill build? I think I got a good understanding of most components so far; last thing is, what exactly should I look for in a MB? What makes a gaming MB a gaming MB I guess is the question.
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Yelir25 wrote Initially you said the cpu cores and threads are always necessarily the thing to be watching. Well what makes the ryzen 9 3950x good? The cores right?

It's not just the sheer core count that makes a 3950x good. That is technically the only advantage of a 3950x over a 3900x, or even 3700x though, the extra cores. The 3950x is a good CPU, because the architecture it's using is solid and single core performance is pretty good- not quite on the level of Intel, but it's definitely not sub par. The extra 5% single core performance with a 9900k isn't worth the 50+% price increase over a 3700x though.
Core count alone doesn't make a good CPU- That's why AMD's FX CPU's from like 2012 are absolute trash, and always have been. Back then, an "8 core" FX-8320 made zero sense compared to even some 2 core i3's, but compared to 4 core i5's and i7's, it was no contest because pretty much everything other than core count on FX CPU's was terrible.
You shouldn't necessarily ignore core count, but it isn't the be-all and end-all

Yelir25 wrote And the MB I picked. MSI MEG Z390 GODLIKE. Why would that not make *sense* with the build im going for compared to the MB you suggested in the overkill build?

because it's like $600, for really no reason other than the fact it's a Halo product for MSI. $200ish is more than enough for a good quality, high end motherboard.

Yelir25 wrote I think I got a good understanding of most components so far; last thing is, what exactly should I look for in a MB? What makes a gaming MB a gaming MB I guess is the question.

Well, nothing, there's definitely no such thing as a "gaming motherboard". What you should be looking for in motherboard, is the VRMs. This will affect power delivery and temperatures which can affect your sustained clock speeds or longevity. Obviously, most people aren't going to know about a motherboard's VRM set-up, but luckily there are well known good quality motherboards.

For AM4, Asus' X570 motherboards are solid. Asus' B450 and X470 boards, however, suck.
Even an MSI B450 Tomahawk for $100 would be fine, though you lose some creature comforts. MSI's X570 boards aren't great though- I do believe they're being fixed but I'd still avoid MSI X570 for now.

Other than VRMs, just look for whatever you like/need in a motherboard- so if you need specific I/O that only certain motherboards have or something. Again though, this isn't going to be a reason to spend $500-600 on motherboard.
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Okay, this is what I've come up with. Let me know what you think of my build, good or bad, I love feedback. That being said I have dotted the i and crossed the t on this purchase so there's no turning back at this point. XD


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So I realized they make those G.Skill sticks with a (for AMD) model. Did I **** up, do I need that model?
I ordered F4-3200C16D-32GTZR
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Yelir25 wrote So I realized they make those G.Skill sticks with a (for AMD) model. Did I **** up, do I need that model?
I ordered F4-3200C16D-32GTZR


RAM does not have an intel vs AMD model. The sticks are DDR4, which is what your board is. It's compatible, so there is no need to worry.
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