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XIV wrote So you are more concerned about a little looting than a black man getting murdered by "police"


Yep, because that store that was completely ransacked has ruined peoples lives.

Meaning.. you don't fix a problem by making it worse.


I don't like the way you stated this one bit. You can look at this situation from many different perspectives, but there's only one right one. Merchandise and items can be replaced, LIVES CANNOT



Adding on to what I said above, if a few buildings need to go to get the point across that you shouldn't kill ANY INNOCENT PERSON, then so be it.

This is more than just a Black Lives issue, this is a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. If we can go ahead and kill just to kill, there is no reasoning to have a police force and/or authority figures.

Get your shit together before it gets worse.
Yup cause two wrongs make a right
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JoeExotic wrote Autopsy results come back it wasn't strangulation that killed him. Is what he did wrong? 100%. The 4 cops should be in prison. Now, what all these rioters are doing are plain out retarded. Trying to protest about racism by robbing stores and burning down hundreds of buildings? Yeah, that says a lot. Seems legit.

A little looting? 170+ buildings were looted or burned down in less than 24 hours in St. Paul alone lmao.


I know when you posted this it was the case, but an independent autopsy paid for by the Floyd family has come back as showing the primary cause of death being asphyxia. So now it's just deciding who to believe, and I believe the independent pathologist. We have a video showing a police officer kneeling on the neck of a man who consistently says "I can't breathe" for almost 9 minutes, so the answer to me is clear.

As for the rioting and looting, I can't really blame them. While there are obvious issues with burning buildings and looting, people in this country have been consistently ignored, shamed, and mocked for non-violent protests. Just look at the Kaepernick kneeling protests. That was an excellent form of peaceful protest, and it was mocked by the media, laughed at by the Trump base, and Kaepernick lost his job because of it. This happens time and time again, where people are encouraged to take advantage of their first amendment rights to speech and assembly, and then are just completely ignored and nothing happens. Inevitably people are going to get fed up with that tactic and are going to explore alternatives. Look at Hong Kong, the violent protests are seen as brave and a fight for freedom against a dangerous state. Here though it's seen as hoodlums making unnecessary noise. There's differences between the groups, but bottom line is they are both fighting for their right to exist safely.

Just my 2 cents.


Yea, that's a good way to look at it. Peacefully protesting only gets you so far, and rarely do big changes come from peaceful actions. Only thing like that comes to mind is Gandhi, but times have changed since then. The act of looting and destroying small businesses is despicable, but could ultimately expedite the changes that need to happen. On the other hand it also calls for drastic measures to be taken, such as bringing the military to otherwise peaceful protests, which can often make an already irascible crowd more rowdy and upset. It's an incredibly delicate situation with many things to consider.
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It's important to note that there are others out with different agendas and aren't with the protests. I see some users blurring the lines between looters/rioters and protesters. The majority of the people protesting are peaceful. There are opportunistic people looting and people who just want chaos that don't care about the message that these protesters are trying to convey.

And to add on to Fold's post, that's what these protests are for. It's to give a voice to the one's who are continuously being silenced whenever they speak out against injustices against them. So when you say (OP) that these protests are worse than the "few that have been unlawfully killed by police" you are choosing to ignore the real problem which is institutional racism and police corruption. These are issues that have been peacefully protested in the past and have been ignored. And a riot is what made is globally known.
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My personal opinion on it is as follows

There is a lot of injustice in society that date's back since the emancipation proclamation,
Over the past few decade's several groups emerged like the Black Panther's, Black Live's Matter etc who's goal is to promote equality.

With police brutality nowadays's being recorded it's bound to promote civil unrest since many minorities have had enough with our justice system.

Thus the protesting by these various groups are considered necessary and reasonable by both the left and right.

The issue is with the looting and burning down building's which is not whatsoever condone'd and as someone said, the protestor's have different agenda's, for some it's monetary while for other's it's for promoting basic civil rights.

I personally don't agree with any of the looting/violent act's BUT a building can come back (in theory but not every business owner has the money to rebuild their business).

But a person can not come back, George Floyd is gone, no way of reviving his soul but a business can be rebuilt.

I personally don't believe in discrediting the entire protests just because some radical's decided to do this or that, at the end the goal of all the protestor's no matter what is to promote civil rights,

But as said, everyone has different ways of leading up to that goal.

(once again im not condoning the looting whatsoever, many black owned businesses have been burnt down which is a travesty since the goal of the protests is to promote equality).
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You speak on looting but stay silent on murder I SEE YOU.

So many privileged people on here. But what do I expect from a community predominantly white.

You're not ignorant for not knowing.
You are ignorant for refusing to understand.

If only the black community did something peaceful like kneel peacefully during the national anthem.

i'm sure that will work....

Try understanding from someone's else point of view for once. Someone of color who has experienced discrimination.
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SSR wrote My personal opinion on it is as follows

There is a lot of injustice in society that date's back since the emancipation proclamation,
Over the past few decade's several groups emerged like the Black Panther's, Black Live's Matter etc who's goal is to promote equality.

With police brutality nowadays's being recorded it's bound to promote civil unrest since many minorities have had enough with our justice system.

Thus the protesting by these various groups are considered necessary and reasonable by both the left and right.

The issue is with the looting and burning down building's which is not whatsoever condone'd and as someone said, the protestor's have different agenda's, for some it's monetary while for other's it's for promoting basic civil rights.

I personally don't agree with any of the looting/violent act's BUT a building can come back (in theory but not every business owner has the money to rebuild their business).

But a person can not come back, George Floyd is gone, no way of reviving his soul but a business can be rebuilt.

I personally don't believe in discrediting the entire protests just because some radical's decided to do this or that, at the end the goal of all the protestor's no matter what is to promote civil rights,

But as said, everyone has different ways of leading up to that goal.

(once again im not condoning the looting whatsoever, many black owned businesses have been burnt down which is a travesty since the goal of the protests is to promote equality).



Black Panthers was mostly a socialist/communist group mostly derived of African Americans trying to promote a agenda. That agenda was not peaceful, it was violent and was almost like a militant group, almost as Similar to the KKK. As for BLM (Black Lives Matter) most of the organization is peaceful, but there are some that take advantage, and still promotes that white people should apologize for being white. I recommend looking at this video, because this guy is 100% right.

video
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Plucky wrote
SSR wrote My personal opinion on it is as follows

There is a lot of injustice in society that date's back since the emancipation proclamation,
Over the past few decade's several groups emerged like the Black Panther's, Black Live's Matter etc who's goal is to promote equality.

With police brutality nowadays's being recorded it's bound to promote civil unrest since many minorities have had enough with our justice system.

Thus the protesting by these various groups are considered necessary and reasonable by both the left and right.

The issue is with the looting and burning down building's which is not whatsoever condone'd and as someone said, the protestor's have different agenda's, for some it's monetary while for other's it's for promoting basic civil rights.

I personally don't agree with any of the looting/violent act's BUT a building can come back (in theory but not every business owner has the money to rebuild their business).

But a person can not come back, George Floyd is gone, no way of reviving his soul but a business can be rebuilt.

I personally don't believe in discrediting the entire protests just because some radical's decided to do this or that, at the end the goal of all the protestor's no matter what is to promote civil rights,

But as said, everyone has different ways of leading up to that goal.

(once again im not condoning the looting whatsoever, many black owned businesses have been burnt down which is a travesty since the goal of the protests is to promote equality).



Black Panthers was mostly a socialist/communist group mostly derived of African Americans trying to promote a agenda. That agenda was not peaceful, it was violent and was almost like a militant group, almost as Similar to the KKK. As for BLM (Black Lives Matter) most of the organization is peaceful, but there are some that take advantage, and still promotes that white people should apologize for being white. I recommend looking at this video, because this guy is 100% right.

video


Jesus, there is so much wrong in what you just wrote I don't even know where to begin. Comparing the Black Panther Movement to the KKK? Are you serious? YOU are the reason these protests and riots are happening.
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lel wrote
Plucky wrote
SSR wrote My personal opinion on it is as follows

There is a lot of injustice in society that date's back since the emancipation proclamation,
Over the past few decade's several groups emerged like the Black Panther's, Black Live's Matter etc who's goal is to promote equality.

With police brutality nowadays's being recorded it's bound to promote civil unrest since many minorities have had enough with our justice system.

Thus the protesting by these various groups are considered necessary and reasonable by both the left and right.

The issue is with the looting and burning down building's which is not whatsoever condone'd and as someone said, the protestor's have different agenda's, for some it's monetary while for other's it's for promoting basic civil rights.

I personally don't agree with any of the looting/violent act's BUT a building can come back (in theory but not every business owner has the money to rebuild their business).

But a person can not come back, George Floyd is gone, no way of reviving his soul but a business can be rebuilt.

I personally don't believe in discrediting the entire protests just because some radical's decided to do this or that, at the end the goal of all the protestor's no matter what is to promote civil rights,

But as said, everyone has different ways of leading up to that goal.

(once again im not condoning the looting whatsoever, many black owned businesses have been burnt down which is a travesty since the goal of the protests is to promote equality).



Black Panthers was mostly a socialist/communist group mostly derived of African Americans trying to promote a agenda. That agenda was not peaceful, it was violent and was almost like a militant group, almost as Similar to the KKK. As for BLM (Black Lives Matter) most of the organization is peaceful, but there are some that take advantage, and still promotes that white people should apologize for being white. I recommend looking at this video, because this guy is 100% right.

video


Jesus, there is so much wrong in what you just wrote I don't even know where to begin. Comparing the Black Panther Movement to the KKK? Are you serious? YOU are the reason these protests and riots are happening.


Yea u cant compare the BPM and the KKK. One group (KKK) had no reason to act the way they did, they were racist and belligerent. Though while the BPM had a lot of violence to them, not everyone in the group felt the same, other's just wanted African American voices to be heard, you can't say the same to the KKK who's were undeniably in the wrong.
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XIV wrote You speak on looting but stay silent on murder I SEE YOU.

So many privileged people on here. But what do I expect from a community predominantly white.

You're not ignorant for not knowing.
You are ignorant for refusing to understand.

If only the black community did something peaceful like kneel peacefully during the national anthem.

i'm sure that will work....

Try understanding from someone's else point of view for once. Someone of color who has experienced discrimination.


I think it's the logic behind the looting that people get annoyed or bothered with. Some people are going to use this to their advantage to go out and steal shit for no reason, that's a given and something that seems to be what is actually going on for the most part. I would argue most every little store that isn't some big corporate store is just barely getting by as is with the COVID quarantine that has been going on, those people can't really take the brunt of it like say Target, Walmart, Costco or anything of the sort, so their lives got ruined simply for just being in the path of anyone that wants to cause chaos -- even if they were very vocal about the killing. A person can try and bring this as a "race war" or whatever into it if they want, you have people destroying black/minority owned business, which is another point people can use for why the looting is a failed logic. You've probably seen that video of the black business owner during the LA Riots who had his life ruined because of looters and general anarchist. If not, video attached in the spoiler. That shit feeds right into why the looting is such a flawed logic. Like I geniunely feel for that guy and I'm not really someone that displays any sort of emotion because it's true, he was just trying to get ahead in life and he gets screwed over by no fault in his own -- people within his own town/city just threw him under the bus.



The biggest failed logic for the looting I see by people who are actually from that area and not some dipshit traveling to another state/county to take advantage of the situation, is that someone is going to destroy their own town.....and then what? Complain when businesses start moving elsewhere and their hometown now becomes a shithole because the economy dips there? Then it's going to become another issue where people are going to say that the government has left them behind and so forth. That's a failed logic I see with people destroying their own city. Believe me, I'm the first person that believes in sending a message to anyone/cause, but the people who actually live in that town and go out to destroy it are idiotic. That would be like someone stealing my car outside my house, police not doing anything about it and in a fit of rage/anger I go and burn my house down, all I've done is screwed myself over and potentially screwed over people who have nothing to do with it if the trees in the backyard start catching fire and moving to my neighbour's houses.

I think most people were/are very vocal about the murder and still are being vocal about other injustices. Literally Europe is protesting something that happened over in America. A death in America shouldn't really concern Europe to the slightest, but it's evolved much past that death and is now about inequality/racial issues now. People have been loud about the death of George, just people can also be loud about the idiotic and failed logic of looting/burning down your own town. People traveling between states to go and take advantage of the situation are their own class of shit heads and are in a completely different class from actual protestors and a different class from people looting/burning down their own city.

And I'll throw it back with someone who has experienced discrimination. My people are "the boogeyman" of the Western world. That being Russian. Believe me, I've experienced my own bullshit when my mother moved us out here, to the point that she attempted to change our names to no longer have any trace of Russian/Slavic/Eastern European, tried to get us to stop speaking and lose our accents, my limp wrist brother went ahead with it, sister killed herself from what was apparently depression and not feeling like she could be herself and I went against it to the point that my mother is my enemy due to it. I still have traces of my accent, I am a hardcore Russian nationalist to the point that I have several tattoos displaying that and I don't have even the friendliest demeanor in my body. I have gotten into a lot of bullshit from what could be "jokes" or "breaking the ice" but I've been asked before by police what am I doing in this country and am I a Russian spy. I tend to avoid the southern states for this reason because I've been stopped by police several times and I always get the usual "you're not from around here are you" because I don't look remotely like a typical American, despite living in California and I've also gotten into some serious shit because I tend to carry my Russian passport with me since I don't misplace it very often when compared to my US stuff and god forbid you don't have identification on you showing you're a US citizen when someone is already giving you shit. I've been to places within Poland, Germany and Sweden oddly enough where people have gotten uneasy or flat out told me to leave a business because of a general unease around someone that seems like an ethnic Russian that just barely left the country, in their store who is a big person and comes off as hostile just based on how my face is (resting bitch face? I don't know, I just always look angry.) Now, do I have to worry about my life, to my knowledge, no, then again I also don't care if anything happens to me because the only thing you're promised in life is death, but that's veering way off course. No, I don't know what it's like to be racially profiled or fear for your life at every police encounter or some white person who wants to try and play the hero for the most minor thing possible or knowing that someone of colour may have what seems to be a lesser life in that same scenario, but people also need to understand that white people also experience discrimination as well. I'll go back to Russia, we used to make fun of kids with brown/hazel eyes, even if they were white while in school, they would always get the shit end of the stick because most Russians have blue/green/grey, brown/hazel/black is uncommon/rare unless you're a mixed family or from an area where that eye colour is more common - typically far east nearing some Asian countries and then your parents moved you out more towards the bigger populace of Russia. That's one of the more pettier examples, but growing up in America as a pre-teen when you came from Russia, you're first seen as an illegal and/or "someone that is going to cause harm to us" because Russia has been the "boogeyman" in Western nations since right after WW2 from our own bullshit.

Yes there are self centered people who are not phased because it is a person of colour or trying to lump all people protesting as the racial/stereotype of "black people are animals." There are people who have been silent about the murders against people of colour and are loud as hell about the riots/looting going on. Yet, I would argue there is much more people being vocal about the injustice and racial issues going on with America, the point that you have European countries having protests about it and having world leaders condemning what has happened out here. But people can still be vocal at the same time about looting or burning your own town down because it is such a failed logic to ruin your own life style that once things get back to normal, suddenly that rush of a movement that was sparked worldwide, you settle in and now shit is ruined where you live at or you ruined the lives of someone who supports your cause, who was with you, but someone or some people go and ruin their livelihood, just because they owned a store that was in the area of a gathering. Big businesses can take the hit, I'm not saying someone should go out and loot those places, but if someone targets some little mom and pop shop who was somewhat struggling to begin with before the COVID, someone who was hurting badly due to the COVID, shit, that looting has royally screwed them because filing an insurance claim is not even something that happens overnight or even within a few months to get paid. What little money they were getting from that shop might have been what they needed for food, for their bills and waiting on that insurance claim to settle - if they even are insurance to begin with - could literally ruin someone's life or even flat out kill them through any number of means, suicide included, and they had nothing to do with George's death or any police/racial injustice within the country. I will bet my bank account that these places that have been having excessive looting/burning their town down is going to scare new business from opening up that aren't some big multi billion corporate owned business (even that may slow down) and may even cause other business to move elsewhere, and when that happens, when the quality of living dips in that area and when the government doesn't come for an immediate bail out to fix things, people can't go around trying to blame it on every little thing, the blame has to fall on the looters/anarchists.
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