I hate both sides in this, antifa and the far right neo-nazis, but I'm really not surprised that all of these groups on the far right who were generally separated by ideological boundaries are now coming together to form a collective, and it's because of things like this:



When Donald Trump said that he condemns hate and bigotry on many sides he is right. There is bigotry and hate on both sides here, and either they are both reactions to one another or just one of them is a reaction to the other and I lean towards the latter simply because of the rhetoric being used by the neo-nazis.

They say "You will not replace us" because over and over again we see the far left, and even the middle left now and major democratic party members, cheering for the fact that white people will become a minority in the US. Why is that something to cheer for and be ecstatic about?

It's not something to be sad about, but it's just a thing that is going to happen.
It should just be a 'meh that's interesting, I'll move on with my day now' but instead the far left is cheering for this and the only reasonable explanation for that is they think there is a problem with white people being the majority.

That is exactly the same as a neo-nazi being annoyed that non-whites are going to become a majority, but one is viewed as racism and the other is viewed as justice, or equality, or a deserved reckoning of some kind.

The far right here is a reaction to the far left and it has been building since before Trump even announced his run for president.
Stop doing stupid things and you'll stop getting stupid reactions.

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I've been reading about it since the news about this blew up and it's crazy how out of hands things are getting. Something needs to be done about this, there's people losing their lives over this and it just isn't right. If you're going to go marching and protest against something then so be it, but when things are getting to the point that they're at right now, people need to get stopped.

Cohle wrote I hate both sides in this, antifa and the far right neo-nazis,

One side murdered someone, one side didn't.

Cohle wrote but I'm really not surprised that all of these groups on the far right who were generally separated by ideological boundaries are now coming together to form a collective, and it's because of things like this:

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If it only takes a few tumblr girls on the internet to turn you into a nazi, perhaps you were always one.

Cohle wrote They say "You will not replace us" because over and over again we see the far left, and even the middle left now and major democratic party members, cheering for the fact that white people will become a minority in the US. Why is that something to cheer for and be ecstatic about?

Why'd you leave out the "Jews will not replace us" from that quote, since that is what was chanted more than the first?

Cohle wrote It's not something to be sad about, but it's just a thing that is going to happen.
It should just be a 'meh that's interesting, I'll move on with my day now' but instead the far left is cheering for this and the only reasonable explanation for that is they think there is a problem with white people being the majority.

That is exactly the same as a neo-nazi being annoyed that non-whites are going to become a majority, but one is viewed as racism and the other is viewed as justice, or equality, or a deserved reckoning of some kind.

No, it's literally not. Even if there actually are people who are legitimately celebrating whites becoming a minority, that is not "exactly the same" as the neo-nazis calling for genocide to assert their dominance.

Cohle wrote I hate both sides in this, antifa and the far right neo-nazis,

Tywin wrote One side murdered someone, one side didn't.

In this particular event, sure.
But I wouldn't lump in all of the far right, or even all of the Neo-Nazis, with the terrorist here any more than I would lump in every far left person with the terrorist who shot at Steve Scalise.

Besides, I would hate both sides even if no one got killed. Neo-nazis are Neo-nazis and antifa are violent anarchists/communists.
You can argue that one side is better than the other, but it's like saying I'd rather quickly than slowly.
Both aren't great options.

Cohle wrote but I'm really not surprised that all of these groups on the far right who were generally separated by ideological boundaries are now coming together to form a collective, and it's because of things like this:

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If it only takes a few tumblr girls on the internet to turn you into a nazi, perhaps you were always one.

I did say it's because of things like this, not these posts in particular.
This kind of rhetoric is reaching through social media and embedding itself in college campuses, political candidates' campaigns and in the media - people on the right don't like it and I can understand why.

People don't like to be told that they aren't good enough to be in the majority in a country just because of the color of their skin.

Cohle wrote They say "You will not replace us" because over and over again we see the far left, and even the middle left now and major democratic party members, cheering for the fact that white people will become a minority in the US. Why is that something to cheer for and be ecstatic about?

Why'd you leave out the "Jews will not replace us" from that quote, since that is what was chanted more than the first?

Right off the bat I didn't know that they said that in the majority.
Obviously it's not surprising that they would pull out rhetoric like that but my post was mainly about why these groups have been forced together into a collective.

I don't think that the alt-right who spend their days worried about feminism and black lives matter protests would stand side by side with people shouting anti-Jewish slurs without what they view as SJW issues and free speech issues pushing them that way.

I don't think this makes them as bad as neo-nazis.
I think this is just them aligning themselves with people who they view as more friendly to their interests than everyone else - even if that comes with a lot of hateful baggage.

Let's not forget that a lot of the alt-right are just trolls who have undertones of caring about free speech, but overtly just like annoying people for their own amusement.

Cohle wrote It's not something to be sad about, but it's just a thing that is going to happen.
It should just be a 'meh that's interesting, I'll move on with my day now' but instead the far left is cheering for this and the only reasonable explanation for that is they think there is a problem with white people being the majority.

That is exactly the same as a neo-nazi being annoyed that non-whites are going to become a majority, but one is viewed as racism and the other is viewed as justice, or equality, or a deserved reckoning of some kind.

No, it's literally not. Even if there actually are people who are legitimately celebrating whites becoming a minority, that is not "exactly the same" as the neo-nazis calling for genocide to assert their dominance.

In this specific instance I didn't say that the neo-nazi was calling for a genocide, I said that they were annoyed. Think of my example as a vanilla neo-nazi and a vanilla BLM activist.
If we want to go for the extremes here then yes, a neo-nazi calling for a genocide of all black people or Jews is exactly the same as an extreme BLM activist or extreme antifa activist calling for a genocide of all white people.

I tried to look for a racist tweet saying 'kill all black people' or something similar to this but Google images doesn't seem to want to find any.
I have no doubts that they exist, I just can't find one which is weird. Maybe I should have just looked on Stormfront instead, but oh well, here:



This is exactly the same as a neo-nazi saying the reverse, but for some reason it is viewed differently and that is making people angry, and rightfully so I think.

Cohle wrote I did say it's because of things like this, not these posts in particular.
This kind of rhetoric is reaching through social media and embedding itself in college campuses, political candidates' campaigns and in the media - people on the right don't like it and I can understand why.

People don't like to be told that they aren't good enough to be in the majority in a country just because of the color of their skin.

What political campaigns are talking about whites going extinct or that they're going to be in the minority and when is this ever talked about in the media outside of a objective truth context when it's brought up for some reason?

Cohle wrote I don't think that the alt-right who spend their days worried about feminism and black lives matter protests would stand side by side with people shouting anti-Jewish slurs without what they view as SJW issues and free speech issues pushing them that way.

I don't think this makes them as bad as neo-nazis.
I think this is just them aligning themselves with people who they view as more friendly to their interests than everyone else - even if that comes with a lot of hateful baggage.

I think this reiterates my point that if it only takes a few SJWs to piss you off to the point where you align with nazis, perhaps you were always one or closer to being one that you thought.

Cohle wrote In this specific instance I didn't say that the neo-nazi was calling for a genocide, I said that they were annoyed. Think of my example as a vanilla neo-nazi and a vanilla BLM activist.

If we want to go for the extremes here then yes, a neo-nazi calling for a genocide of all black people or Jews is exactly the same as an extreme BLM activist or extreme antifa activist calling for a genocide of all white people.

I think that we fundamentally disagree on what it even means to be a neo-nazi. There is no such thing as vanilla neo-nazi. That defeats the entire purpose of being a nazi.

Cohle wrote I tried to look for a racist tweet saying 'kill all black people' or something similar to this but Google images doesn't seem to want to find any.
I have no doubts that they exist, I just can't find one which is weird. Maybe I should have just looked on Stormfront instead, but oh well, here:

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This is exactly the same as a neo-nazi saying the reverse, but for some reason it is viewed differently and that is making people angry, and rightfully so I think.

Viewed differently by whom?

It's a shame we have vets from World War 2 still seeing nazi symbols in America.

What political campaigns are talking about whites going extinct or that they're going to be in the minority and when is this ever talked about in the media outside of a objective truth context when it's brought up for some reason?

When it is brought up you usually have one side arguing that it is a good thing and one side arguing that it is a bad thing.
The people arguing that it is a good thing are only doing so as a reaction to the people saying that it is a bad thing.

The problem is that the people saying it is a bad thing were never taken seriously by the vast majority of people anyway.
Laughing at them has worked just fine for the past 60 years. Arguing with them, while it is a good thing to do, creates a false dichotomy where both sides seem to have equal footing.

It's like how Lawrence Krauss chooses very carefully who he debates on what issues because he doesn't want to make it seem like flat-earthers have as much basis for their view as he does for his view that the Earth is a sphere.

One example off the top of my head was Cenk Uygur debating Ann Coulter on the issue of the white majority.
The crowd cheered when Cenk Uygur broached the subject and gave the statistic that white people will become a minority by 2042.

The left needs to go back to laughing at people like Ann Coulter rather than giving them a platform and a point.

As for political examples, Joe Biden said that it was "a source of our strength" and a "good thing" that whites were going to be a minority.
Once again, I don't see why it's a bad thing, but I don't see the need to point it out as a good thing either.
Saying it's a good thing, once again, gives the white nationalists and neo-nazis a basis for their 'white genocide' nonsense.

I think this reiterates my point that if it only takes a few SJWs to piss you off to the point where you align with nazis, perhaps you were always one or closer to being one that you thought.

Of course to me and you it's just a few SJW's, but to them it's stories about people losing their jobs because they made a racist or sexist joke outside of work. It's riots after police kill black people rightfully or wrongfully. It's speakers like Milo Yiannopolous having to be escorted out of buildings by security because there's a bunch of far-left people rioting outside, trying to get in.

They view these as big issues, threats to how they like to live their lives and these threats to them aren't coming from the right, they're coming from the left. To them it's better to unite with the neo-nazis and push back the left than to let the left keep encroaching on their rights.

Obviously this isn't a very good plan because once you theoretically push back the left you'll have empowered the neo-nazi right which is worse, but no one said they were smart.
I just said that I understand why they went right.

I think that we fundamentally disagree on what it even means to be a neo-nazi. There is no such thing as vanilla neo-nazi. That defeats the entire purpose of being a nazi.

I'll accept that.

I still don't think it changes anything about how left extremists are viewed in comparison to right extremists and how they aren't viewed as equally bad.

Viewed differently by whom?

The majority, the ordinary people who don't care much about politics and have a little bit of knowledge about the difference between the left and the right.

Original_Lay wrote It's a shame we have vets from World War 2 still seeing nazi symbols in America.

What's even worse is seeing a picture of a supposed veteran, probably a case of stolen valor, wearing an 82nd Airborne Division hat and doing a nazi salute.
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White nationalists have been parsing President Trump's words since a deadly attack at a Virginia rally over the weekend. A day after the president called them "criminals and thugs", some seemed quite pleased Tuesday when Trump angrily pivoted back to his initial response and spread out the blame. Members of the Ku Klux Klan, white supremacists and neo-nazis who supported Trump's campaign and have felt emboldened by his presidency praised Trump's initial reaction on Saturday, which blamed "many sides" for the violence. They were disheartened two days later, when Trump, facing immense bipartisan pressure, belatedly criticized their hate groups by name and called them "repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans".

But by Tuesday evening, Trump flipped again. Taking questions that had to be shouted in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York, Trump praised his initial statement that had caused so much criticism, and angrily laid blame on liberal groups advocating for the removal of Confederate statues. Before this latest news conference, it had become clear that the man who rammed his car into a crowd of counter-protestors, killing a woman and injuring dozens of people, had idolized Adolph Hitler long before he joined the white nationalist rally. But when Trump was asked repeatedly whether this was an act of terror, Trump said only that it was "murder".

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke seemed thrilled, tweeting a link to Trump's latest comments Tuesday and saying: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty and courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville and condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/antifa," referring to the Black Lives Matter movement and an anti-fascist movement. A day earlier, Duke had posted a video mildly criticizing Trump's prepared statement, saying "President Trump, please, for God's sakes, don't feel like you've got to say these things. It's not going to do you any good."

Also on Monday, white nationalist Richard Spencer - who popularized the term "alt-right" to describe the fringe movement mixing white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-Semitism and anti-immigration populism - told reporters that Trump's prepared statement "sounds like we might want to all bring out an acoustic guitar and sing "Kum ba yah." It's just vapid nonsense."

Occidental Dissent, a white nationalist website, posted a statement on Monday saying whites had been "deserted by their president."
"He has sided with a group of people who attack us on sight and attempt to kill us and for that, the Alt-Right can no longer support him. What Donald Trump has done today is an unforgivable betrayal of his supporters," the message said.

Andrew Anglin, the publisher of The Daily Stormer, had praised Trump's initial reaction to the violence Saturday as "no condemnation at all... really really good. God bless him." Anglin dismissed Trump's Monday statement as "childish nonsense". In an e-mail to The Associated Press before Trump's latest statements, Anglin said "If he actually believed that nonsense, or was planning on implementing it as policy, he would have said it before being bullied into it by the international thought police."

By Tuesday afternoon, the Daily Stormer posted an article titled, "Trump Defends Charlottesville Nazis Against Jew Media Lies, Condemns Antifa Terrorists."

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