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I'm surprised that nobody has posted about this yet given that this was one of his most controversial promises on the campaign trail, so here it is:

The Trump administration is standing firm over its ban on refugees from seven countries despite court rulings and mass protests against the move.

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Mr Trump's executive order, signed on Friday, halted the entire US refugee programme for 120 days, indefinitely banned Syrian refugees, and suspended all nationals from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days.

Those who were already mid-flight were detained on arrival - even if they held valid US visas or other immigration permits. It is not known how many others were turned away at airports overseas as they tried to board flights to the US.

Thousands gathered at airports around the country to protest on Saturday, including lawyers who offered their services for free to those affected.
Further demonstrations are being held on Sunday - including one outside the White House.

Mr Trump tweeted the US needed "extreme vetting, NOW". His chief of staff said only 109 people, out of 325,000 travelling, had been detained.
The move has been widely condemned.
Sixteen state attorneys general have said the order is unconstitutional. One federal judge temporarily halted the deportation of visa holders.

All travellers who have nationality or dual nationality of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen are not permitted to enter the US for 90 days, or be issued an immigrant or non-immigrant visa.

White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said US green-card holders - legal residents - would also not be affected, although he admitted to NBC's Meet the Press programme that they could be subject to greater questioning at airports.

Regarding those held at airports, he said: "Most of those people were moved out. We've got a couple of dozen more that remain and I would suspect that as long as they're not awful people that they will move through before another half a day today."

He said the seven countries had been chosen because they had already been identified by Congress and the Obama administration as the most likely to harbour terrorists, and he did not rule out the fact that more countries could be added to the list.


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President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.
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Rabbi_NASA wrote President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.


I agree.

I don't like it. I wouldn't like it if I were the one being turned away, but the reaction to this from the far left has been appalling.

People seem to think that this is something new and when he brought this up on the campaign trail I wasn't aware that it was something which happens a lot all around the world, but mainly in Middle Eastern countries.

I don't like how it is being characterised as a 'Muslim Ban' when it is a national ban, which again is something which happens a lot. He has talked about prioritising Christians fleeing from Syria, which would make it largely a Muslim ban from Syria specifically, but this is a completely rational step for him to take given that Christians aren't going to be Islamists.

This isn't a bigoted or racist thing for him to do and it's not even that bad. Not to mention that it does come from a somewhat rational position given that ISIS have been using the refugee crisis to enter European countries.

I don't think this ban is needed given how strong the US vetting process is, but even if the US didn't have a strong vetting process this ban wouldn't be needed.
The US should take any genuine refugees that attempt to enter and should relocate them to Muslim majority countries in the middle east. Where is the sense in taking a Syrian refugee and moving them to Scotland when there is room for them in the countries surrounding Syria, where they will be closer to their homes once the situation is resolved?

With that being said, just because I don't think it is needed doesn't mean that I therefore think it is wrong, bad, bigoted, racist, etc.

I think the far left is blowing this whole situation way out of proportion and while valid criticisms of Trump can be made from this decision regarding him personally they don't render the entire idea of a national ban incorrect.
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Rabbi_NASA wrote President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.


He literally doesn't.
He's the President of the United States. He doesn't have absolute power. The Constitution guarantees due process.

That is why a federal judge put a halt to his travel ban.
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Tywin wrote
Rabbi_NASA wrote President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.


He literally doesn't.
He's the President of the United States. He doesn't have absolute power. The Constitution guarantees due process.

That is why a federal judge put a halt to his travel ban.


It's called an executive order
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Dbz wrote
Tywin wrote
Rabbi_NASA wrote President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.


He literally doesn't.
He's the President of the United States. He doesn't have absolute power. The Constitution guarantees due process.

That is why a federal judge put a halt to his travel ban.


It's called an executive order


It's called the Constitution of the United States. We have checks and balances for this very reason.
A federal judge ruled the ban on those with green cards and visas unconstitutional.
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Tywin wrote
Rabbi_NASA wrote President Trump has every right to do this. They are well within their right to revoke visas if it means that protecting America from foreign threats.


He literally doesn't.
He's the President of the United States. He doesn't have absolute power. The Constitution guarantees due process.

That is why a federal judge put a halt to his travel ban.


They are not citizens of the United States, we have every right to revoke visas.
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Rabbi_NASA wrote They are not citizens of the United States, we have every right to revoke visas.


The Constitution is a restriction on government as much as it is rights for citizens.

You're also arguing against the administration you support at this point. The White House and DHS has already conceded that allowing in legal residents with green cards and visas is in the nation's best interests.
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I think trump is making the right move for your country. I think people need to stop being so dumb and get on with their lives. All I see on Facebook is **** (socialist) posting about trump in the Uk.

There is a petition with like 300K signatures to ban him from the UK because they are all hippies who don't know anything about business.

THIS WOULD END UK-US trade. And destroy the economy

This world is full of stupid humans who aren't happy unless they complain
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Tywin wrote
Rabbi_NASA wrote They are not citizens of the United States, we have every right to revoke visas.


The Constitution is a restriction on government as much as it is rights for citizens.

You're also arguing against the administration you support at this point. The White House and DHS has already conceded that allowing in legal residents with green cards and visas is in the nation's best interests.


You don't understand, they are not citizens.
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