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I knew that British police had a far lower rate of shooting civillians than American police but I didn't actually realise it was this low.

This is an interesting thread because people will hopefully learn something from it and it shouldn't start a flame war as Miss said, infact it's a pretty simple situation.

America has more guns, therefore you get to have the pleasure of enjoying guns but you also have to take into account that some people will use them for their actual purpose and you will have shootings.

The UK allows some people to have guns but most people can only get very basic weapons like shotguns and bolt-action rifles, this means that they don't get to use guns but returm there's a lot less violent crime and virtually no gun crime.

It all depends which environment you'd rather live in. For me it's pretty straightforward but not everyone sees it that way.
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Halo wrote
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Miss wrote And is there a reason to compare? Just seems like something thrown in to start a flame war.

Besides that, I'm not surprised there aren't that many incidents. Not all cops are armed in the UK like here in the U.S.

I bet that number would be higher if every cop in the UK were armed.
It's on every article about the topic, comparing between here and the US.

There probably would be more but not many more, our Police are better trained in self defence and takedowns, dealing with suspects without the use of even CS Spray etc.. A lot of our Officers use tasers anyway, don't use them that frequently but they're very effective and can take down a suspect at distance.
Yeah but the police there don't expect or assume the person they are about to detain has a firearm since it's illegal over there and I bet it's very uncommon and guns are hard to come by, making the two countries have very different types of training standards when it comes to approaching.
There's a lot of imitation weapons which sounds very soft but they do look very realistic and there's been hundreds of incidents involving stand off's with armed police, non of which featured a shooting. Gun's aren't super difficult to come by if you aren't on the Police Database, but they require lots of checks and interviews to be able to hold a license and then the Police & Council will attend your property and check that they're being kept in a secure location (Safe for example).

There's been quite a few shootings in the UK this year though, mostly Murder-Suicides but quite a few to us is probably 10-20, whereas i'm sure the States deals with that many shootings on a daily basis.

As for assuming someone has a firearm, it doesn't justufy the Police opening fire, it's legal to own and carry a gun so only if the weapon is pointed at them or a suspect actually shoots at them, should it become justifiable to shoot them dead.
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Police in the UK are probably less jumpy, and the citizens less mentally insane
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Halo wrote
Vancouver_Canucks wrote
Miss wrote And is there a reason to compare? Just seems like something thrown in to start a flame war.

Besides that, I'm not surprised there aren't that many incidents. Not all cops are armed in the UK like here in the U.S.

I bet that number would be higher if every cop in the UK were armed.
It's on every article about the topic, comparing between here and the US.

There probably would be more but not many more, our Police are better trained in self defence and takedowns, dealing with suspects without the use of even CS Spray etc.. A lot of our Officers use tasers anyway, don't use them that frequently but they're very effective and can take down a suspect at distance.
Yeah but the police there don't expect or assume the person they are about to detain has a firearm since it's illegal over there and I bet it's very uncommon and guns are hard to come by, making the two countries have very different types of training standards when it comes to approaching.

I agree, i know that someone explained why the countries were compared... but it is not a "fair" comparison. The countries are very different when it comes to things like laws and what people can and can not do. Oh and to clear up something that you stated... People in the UK can own guns. Yes it is uncommon, but people still own guns. However, i do see what you mean. Cops in the US do have to worry more about guns and and things like that. I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually. And i don't have any statistics but i'm pretty sure that the US also have more mentally ill people than the UK, that would contribute to the number of shootings. In fact there are a lot of things that the US has that would contribute to the police shootings. Here is another example, drugs. The US has a greater drug problem than most other countries. People act different when the are doing drugs and it affects there judgement.
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Continuous wrote
Halo wrote
Vancouver_Canucks wrote
Miss wrote And is there a reason to compare? Just seems like something thrown in to start a flame war.

Besides that, I'm not surprised there aren't that many incidents. Not all cops are armed in the UK like here in the U.S.

I bet that number would be higher if every cop in the UK were armed.
It's on every article about the topic, comparing between here and the US.

There probably would be more but not many more, our Police are better trained in self defence and takedowns, dealing with suspects without the use of even CS Spray etc.. A lot of our Officers use tasers anyway, don't use them that frequently but they're very effective and can take down a suspect at distance.
Yeah but the police there don't expect or assume the person they are about to detain has a firearm since it's illegal over there and I bet it's very uncommon and guns are hard to come by, making the two countries have very different types of training standards when it comes to approaching.

I agree, i know that someone explained why the countries were compared... but it is not a "fair" comparison. The countries are very different when it comes to things like laws and what people can and can not do. Oh and to clear up something that you stated... People in the UK can own guns. Yes it is uncommon, but people still own guns. However, i do see what you mean. Cops in the US do have to worry more about guns and and things like that. I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


America's population = 318.9 million

UK's population = 64.1 million

So there's five times more people in America than the United Kingdom, therefore you'd be expecting five times the amount of crime, right?

Hell, no.

The UK has more than half the amount of crimes commited in the USA, even though they have a five times lower population. Not to menton UK citizens having over twice the amount of crimes (on average) per thousand citizens.

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I was honestly shocked at these statistics, I didn't realise that the UK was filled with so many criminals. You learn a new thing everyday I guess.
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This is a rather interesting topic, But yeah. Out here in the UK someone gets killed by a police officer once in a blue moon. It's very very very rare that the police even have to use firearms.
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Motivational wrote
Continuous wrote
Halo wrote
Vancouver_Canucks wrote
Miss wrote And is there a reason to compare? Just seems like something thrown in to start a flame war.

Besides that, I'm not surprised there aren't that many incidents. Not all cops are armed in the UK like here in the U.S.

I bet that number would be higher if every cop in the UK were armed.
It's on every article about the topic, comparing between here and the US.

There probably would be more but not many more, our Police are better trained in self defence and takedowns, dealing with suspects without the use of even CS Spray etc.. A lot of our Officers use tasers anyway, don't use them that frequently but they're very effective and can take down a suspect at distance.
Yeah but the police there don't expect or assume the person they are about to detain has a firearm since it's illegal over there and I bet it's very uncommon and guns are hard to come by, making the two countries have very different types of training standards when it comes to approaching.

I agree, i know that someone explained why the countries were compared... but it is not a "fair" comparison. The countries are very different when it comes to things like laws and what people can and can not do. Oh and to clear up something that you stated... People in the UK can own guns. Yes it is uncommon, but people still own guns. However, i do see what you mean. Cops in the US do have to worry more about guns and and things like that. I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


America's population = 318.9 million

UK's population = 64.1 million

So there's five times more people in America than the United Kingdom, therefore you'd be expecting five times the amount of crime, right?

Hell, no.

The UK has more than half the amount of crimes commited in the USA, even though they have a five times lower population. Not to menton UK citizens having over twice the amount of crimes (on average) per thousand citizens.

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I was honestly shocked at these statistics, I didn't realise that the UK was filled with so many criminals. You learn a new thing everyday I guess.

i used to live in the uk and alot of the crimes where i lived were theft and shop lifting. England has a massive population of foreigners too thats the reason why i moved to Australia
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Arni wrote
Motivational wrote
Continuous wrote
Halo wrote
Vancouver_Canucks wrote
Miss wrote And is there a reason to compare? Just seems like something thrown in to start a flame war.

Besides that, I'm not surprised there aren't that many incidents. Not all cops are armed in the UK like here in the U.S.

I bet that number would be higher if every cop in the UK were armed.
It's on every article about the topic, comparing between here and the US.

There probably would be more but not many more, our Police are better trained in self defence and takedowns, dealing with suspects without the use of even CS Spray etc.. A lot of our Officers use tasers anyway, don't use them that frequently but they're very effective and can take down a suspect at distance.
Yeah but the police there don't expect or assume the person they are about to detain has a firearm since it's illegal over there and I bet it's very uncommon and guns are hard to come by, making the two countries have very different types of training standards when it comes to approaching.

I agree, i know that someone explained why the countries were compared... but it is not a "fair" comparison. The countries are very different when it comes to things like laws and what people can and can not do. Oh and to clear up something that you stated... People in the UK can own guns. Yes it is uncommon, but people still own guns. However, i do see what you mean. Cops in the US do have to worry more about guns and and things like that. I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


I think that the reason that there is more shootings in the US is because there is more criminals in the US than in the UK. A considerably more amount of criminals actually.


America's population = 318.9 million

UK's population = 64.1 million

So there's five times more people in America than the United Kingdom, therefore you'd be expecting five times the amount of crime, right?

Hell, no.

The UK has more than half the amount of crimes commited in the USA, even though they have a five times lower population. Not to menton UK citizens having over twice the amount of crimes (on average) per thousand citizens.

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I was honestly shocked at these statistics, I didn't realise that the UK was filled with so many criminals. You learn a new thing everyday I guess.

i used to live in the uk and alot of the crimes where i lived were theft and shop lifting. England has a massive population of foreigners too thats the reason why i moved to Australia
Quite a racist statement to make considering you have become a foreigner in their Country now.. and that goes without saying that the Aussies aren't even the native humans in the area, vast majority either migrated or were sent there by the UK because they were convicts.
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I am not going to jump into this debate but i would just like to say something.

I am incredibly proud of the British police force, they are so professional (as the stats show)

You should watch this, listen to what the american police say about the British police, its really remarkable


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Balor wrote I am not going to jump into this debate but i would just like to say something.

I am incredibly proud of the British police force, they are so professional (as the stats show)

You should watch this, listen to what the american police say about the British police, its really remarkable



There are a few things that are "wrong" with the video... The attackers for the most part in the video have knifes or a machete. That is totally different then when someone has a gun. When somebody comes at you with a knife, you have many options that would work pretty good(taser, pepper spray, etc), when somebody is shooting at, yes you could take the chance of tasing them or something like that, but you also take the chance of them shooting and/or killing you. Or the police could even miss there taser shot, and pepper spray does not stop a person from attacking, so those are not the best methods. And in the simulation from the video, i don't think that the police even had a option to use a gun, because they did not even have one. Im not saying that the US police are right for shooting people like they do, but there are many factors that come into what they do. From a civilian aspect, if i'm with my family or even by myself and somebody comes to attack me, im going to defend myself by any means necessary. And that is what the police do in most cases, excluding where the police just outright murder someone for no reason. You said that you were not going to join in on the debate, so i'm going to try to do the same. As i said before, there are many different things that you have to take into account, when comparing people or things.
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